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Jesus' Shroud? Recent Findings Renew Authenticity Debate
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| April 9, 2004
| Bijal P. Trivedi
Posted on 04/10/2004 11:12:26 AM PDT by RaceBannon
Jesus' Shroud? Recent Findings Renew Authenticity Debate
Bijal P. Trivedi National Geographic Channel April 9, 2004
The Shroud of Turinbelieved by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus and one of the most venerated relics of the Christian churchwas declared a fake in 1988 by three independent scientific institutions. Yet interest in the cloth has remained intense, and new science suggests the shroud deserves another look.
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The Shroud of Turin, an approximately 14 by 3 foot cloth, is bloodstained and imprinted with a faint image of a tortured man's face, hands, and body. Many Christians believe the shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus.
Photograph copyright Barrie M. Schwortz
Raymond Rogers is a retired physical chemist and former leader of the explosives research and development group at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. He proposes that the samples used to date the shroud in 1988 were flawed and the experiment should be repeated. His conclusion is based on a recent chemical analysis of the shroud and previous observations made during a 1978 examination.
Rogers was one of two dozen American scientists who participated in the 1978 Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP)an intense five-day scientific investigation of the shroud in Turin, Italy.
In 1988 the Vatican allowed postage stamp-size pieces to be snipped from one corner of the shroud and distributed to three laboratoriesat the University of Arizona in Tucson, Oxford University in England, and the Swiss Federal Institute in Zurichfor a sensitive form of carbon dating. The results, published in 1989 in the journal Nature, revealed that the fabric was produced between 1260 and 1390.
Dyed and Repaired
In December 2003 Rogers received a sample of the shroud from a physicist colleague who had collaborated on STURP. The sample was taken from the same strip of cloth distributed for carbon dating in 1988.
Using chemical and microscopic analysis, Rogers revealed that a madder dye and mordant and gum mixture had been wiped onto yarn used on that particular corner of the shroudindicating that the cloth had been repaired. (The mordant gum would have been used to bind the dye to the fibers. Madder dye is derived from the root of the madder plant.)
What's more, these ruby colored madder dye-mordant mixtures did not reach France or England until the 16th century.
"The cotton fibers look like they have been wiped with fuzzy cherry Jell-O, and the linen fibers a little less so," Rogers said. "The area is certainly dyed to match the sepia color of the old [original] cloth. There is ample chemical and microscopic proof of that."
Rogers also found evidence of a "splice site," suggesting that this patch of the cloth had not only been dyed but also repaired and rewoven. He suspects that the dye and repair job was probably done in the Near East during the Middle Ages, coinciding with the carbon dating results.
"The 1988 date was undoubtedly accurate for the sample supplied. However, there is no question that the radiocarbon sampling area has a completely different chemical composition than the main part of the shroud," Rogers said. "The published date for the sample was not the time at which the cloth was produced."
This reinforces the earlier finding of STURP scientists who, using ultraviolet fluorescence, also revealed that the sampled corner was unlike any other region of the shroud and had been excessively handled over the years.
Rogers's analysis of the 2003 sample has been submitted to a peer-reviewed journal for publication.
Forging Religious Artifacts
Douglas Donahue, a retired physicist from the University of Arizona, traveled to Turin in 1988 to collect the shroud samples for testing. He was co-director of the National Science Foundation-University of Arizona Accelerator Mass Spectrometry Laboratoryone of the three labs chosen to date the shroud.
"I'm satisfied with the way it was sampled. We had several textile experts present from a number of countries, and all unanimously agreed that the sample we received was representative of the whole cloth," Donahue said. "It wouldn't be unreasonable to sample other spots of the cloth, though you can understand that they wanted to preserve it and didn't want holes cut all over the place."
Even if carbon dating links the shroud to the first century, proving it belonged to Jesus will still be near impossiblethe closest scientists are likely to get is validating the time and place where the cloth and its haunting image were made. The shroud, an approximately 14-foot-by-3-foot (4-meter-by-1-meter) cloth, is bloodstained and imprinted with a faint image of a tortured man's face, hands, and body.
According to the Gospels, Jesus was removed from the cross and placed in a tomb, where he was wrapped in cloth in accordance with Jewish custom. But few, if any, records exist from that time to detail that shroud's whereabouts.
The Shroud of Turin entered public awareness in 1349, when a French knight named Geoffrey de Charny is said to have acquired it in Constantinople (now Istanbul) and brought it to the attention of Pope Clement VI. The shroud was held in a church in Lirey, France, and was first shown publicly in 1355.
More Evidence Contradicts Carbon Dating
Since that first exhibition many have questioned the shroud's authenticity, since forging religious artifacts was big business during medieval times.
The 1988 carbon dating results satisfied many skeptics that the Shroud of Turin was a clever hoax, and the findings stymied further research.
But some scientists have persisted. In 1999 Avinoam Danin, a botanist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, stated at the 16th International Botanical Congress that he found pollen grains on the shroud from plants that could only be found in and around Jerusalem, placing its origins in the Middle East.
Further comparison of the shroud with another ancient cloth, the Sudarium of Oviedo (thought to be the burial face cloth of Jesus), revealed it was embedded with pollen grains from the same species of plant as found on the Shroud of Turin.
The Sudarium even carries the same AB blood type, with bloodstains in a similar pattern. Since the Sudarium has been stored in a cathedral in Spain since the eighth century, the evidence suggests that the Shroud of Turin is at least as old.
Regardless of whether the shroud belonged to Jesus Christ, it lures millions of visitors at each public display.
"Its allure is both scientific and spiritual," said Phillip Wiebe, a professor and chair of philosophy at Trinity Western University in Langley, British Columbia. "It's a very mysterious object. How was the image formed and who was on it?"
Wiebe is presenting a lecture, "The Shroud of Turin: Authenticity and Significance for Theology," at the "Man of the Shroud Exhibit" this week at the Good Shepherd Church in Surrey, British Columbia.
Archaeological Triumph
If the image on the Shroud of Turin is a fake, then much mystery remains about how it was created. Some suggest it was painted. But STURP, using methods standard for art analysis, found no evidence of paints or pigments.
"This may well be an artifact of Jesus," said Barrie Schwortz, a photographic, video, and imaging specialist based in Los Angeles, California. Schwortz served as the official documenting photographer for STURP.
When Schwortz embarked on the study, he said, he was highly skeptical. "I fully expected to see brush strokesessentially a manufactured relicand walk out," Schwortz said. "But I've followed the science over 30 years. And when you have eliminated other possibilities, the one remainingno matter how unlikelymust be the truth."
What will carbon dating another sample prove?
"This artifact is very important. It deserves at least as much respect as Ghengis Khan's sword, the Gutenberg Bible, or something like the Rosetta stone," Rogers said. "For me, it is not going to prove the Resurrection or any theological point. But it might bring us a little closer to the truth. And determining the actual date will be a real archaeological triumph."
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I never believed it was what the claim says.
It has become an idol, a statement of faith.
Thatis another reason I disbelieve it. if it was REALLY from Jesus, God would have destroyed it to prevent it from becomming an idol, like it has.
To: RaceBannon
It may be a genuine burial cloth, but there is no way it was Jesus' burial cloth.
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posted on
04/10/2004 11:13:04 AM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
To: RaceBannon
It's not an idol...people do not worship it as God, which is pretty much the definition of idol. It is an object of curiosity and reverence for some, for if it is in fact what some people think, it's pretty special indeed.
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posted on
04/10/2004 11:18:10 AM PDT
by
Eisenhower
("A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel." - Robert Frost)
To: Eisenhower
Well, an idol is a representation that people pray to, or revere, used in a way that gets them closer to God, just like little statues. People KNOW those statues aren't God, but they pray to them/through them/revere them, use them as symbols of their faith.
That is an idol.
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posted on
04/10/2004 11:24:14 AM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
To: RaceBannon
Quit altering titles to further your agenda.
To: RaceBannon
A fake?
None of the naturalistic or artistic theories proposed for the Shroud has held up to scientific scrutiny. None can satisfy the image criteria that must be:
- three-dimensionally encoded (even modern photography is not)
- focused,
- vertically collimated image
- exhibit gradual tonal changes
- function as a negative;
- superficial and confined to the topmost fibrils in which the density of pixels (quantity and lengths) of a single color produces different color tones;
- free of any chemical agents, pigments, dyes, colorants, emulsions, binders, or any other liquid or powder free of any byproducts produced as a result of an application of such;
- chemically conjugated carbonyl product, the result of accelerated oxidation and dehydration of the cellulose fibers of the linen;
- free of any mechanical or light source directionality;
- anatomically correct (including the flow of venous and arterial blood) in a way that only a late twentieth century - medical forensic pathologist could comprehend
- unique (no other similar artifacts)
While it may be a fake, your lack of proof belies your statement as an article of faith on your part.
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posted on
04/10/2004 11:46:57 AM PDT
by
polemikos
(Ecce Agnus Dei)
To: RaceBannon
Well, an idol is a representation that people pray to, or revere, used in a way that gets them closer to God, just like little statues . . . That is an idol.
Actually, no, it's not. An idol is a false god.
Too many confuse the absolute ban on worshipping idols and an early ban on making images of God with the making of images themselves. God forbade images of Himself because He had not revealed himself in visible form to the Israelites on Mt. Horeb. As God explains in Deut 4:19; He was concerned that they would mistake the object for Himself.
God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts: (cf. Ex 25:18-22; Ex 26:1,31; Num 21:8-9; 1 Kgs. 6:2329, 7:29, 7:36; 8:67; 2 Chr. 3:714; Ezk 41:17-18).
Later, God indeed revealed himself to man in many forms. But, more important, in the Incarnation of Christ his Son, God showed mankind an icon of himself. Paul said, "He is the image (Greek: ikon) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." Christ is the tangible, divine "icon" of the unseen, infinite God.
Now, if you can produce even a single individual that worships the shroud as a god, please let me know.
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posted on
04/10/2004 12:25:07 PM PDT
by
polemikos
(Ecce Agnus Dei)
To: RaceBannon; polemikos
Do an exoeriment I saw on the Discovery channel. Take your face or even a doll's face and rub it with some sort of cream like Nivea, then take cloth and cover the face - and then remove to see the image.
What you get is stretched out rubber like oval face rather than a photographic depiction.
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posted on
04/10/2004 12:43:54 PM PDT
by
Destro
(Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
To: A.A. Cunningham
The entire first group of words is the actual title, and I added at the end, so anyone who searched will find it under the title name
so, quit splitting hairs, the shroud is not from Jesus, get used to it, this idol is false.
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posted on
04/10/2004 1:27:24 PM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
To: polemikos
The Cherubim on the top of the Ark were IDOLS???
Moses serpent, which no one was SUPPOSED to pray to was an idol? It became an idol, that was why God orderd it down!
No one worships those little statues of Mary as God, either, but, they use little statues of Mary, or Crucifixes to aide them in worship, just like pagans do, and THAT is an idol.
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posted on
04/10/2004 1:40:03 PM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
To: RaceBannon
A crucifix can become an idol ,as a statue , a rock , or a piece of jewelry . I know that God doesn't want me to worship these things , so I try to not focus on them because eventually my heart will be drawn to them for answers , instead of meditating on His word . One time I had a crucifix ring and I had to throw it away because I was drawn to it instead of God ... I can't speak for everyone, but for me it could have became an idol..
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posted on
04/10/2004 2:37:50 PM PDT
by
scottro
(Trust and Worship Jesus Alone)
To: RaceBannon
The Cherubim on the top of the Ark were IDOLS???
Not sure what you are asking here. Are the cherubim idols? Of course not. Did I say that they were? No. Might some confuse a statue with an idol? Well, as your question suggests, it appears that you do.
Moses serpent, which no one was SUPPOSED to pray to was an idol? It became an idol, that was why God orderd it down!
Not sure what you are asking here. Was the serpent an idol? As long as it was used as the Lord commanded, of course not. Did I say that it was an idol? Obviously not. Did the serpent have salvational powers? Clearly yes. Was the use of the serpent necessarily idol worship? Obviously not. Might some confuse a statue with an idol? Well, as your question suggests, it appears that you do.
No one worships those little statues of Mary as God, either,
Hey, some progress! I'm glad to see that you recognize that Catholics don't worship statues.
but, they use little statues of Mary, or Crucifixes to aide them in worship, just like pagans do, and THAT is an idol.
Again, you are confusing 2 separate concepts: idols and statues. Your confusion seems to arise out of a lack of understanding of pagan practices. Pagans during the time of the early Israelites would actually worship a natural object as a god.
Unfortunately, such fundamental confusion leads to the unbiblical practice of banning statues in worship contexts.
For your "argument" to hold, all natural objects would have to be banned if they aided worship. Say, you don't use a printed Bible as a worship aid, do you? Tsk, tsk.
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posted on
04/10/2004 2:38:55 PM PDT
by
polemikos
(Ecce Agnus Dei)
To: polemikos
Thanks, you proved my point.
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posted on
04/10/2004 2:57:10 PM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
To: RaceBannon
Thanks, you proved my point.
Which was?
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posted on
04/10/2004 2:58:02 PM PDT
by
polemikos
(Ecce Agnus Dei)
To: RaceBannon
Moses serpent, which no one was SUPPOSED to pray to was an idol? It became an idol, that was why God orderd it down!But wait...
Why didn't He destroy it first?
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posted on
04/10/2004 5:19:05 PM PDT
by
A.J.Armitage
(http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
To: RaceBannon
My faith doesn't depend on whether the Shroud is true or not. But with all this attention on the Shroud, God help us if the Ark of Covenent is ever found.:)
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posted on
04/10/2004 6:08:44 PM PDT
by
xJones
To: xJones
LOL!!!
Wow, that and the Red Heiffer!
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posted on
04/10/2004 7:15:05 PM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
To: A.J.Armitage
To teach people to obey, and, to use it as a symbol later in John chapter 3
NOTHING else thatis a Christian prayer idol (statues, candles, crucifixes) are ever mentioned in the Bible, and the serpent on the Pole was to symbolize Jesus lifted up on the Cross, but the Jews did not know that at the time.
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posted on
04/10/2004 8:04:21 PM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
To: RaceBannon
To teach people to obey, and, to use it as a symbol later in John chapter 3That's why it existed in the first place. I didn't ask that. I asked why God didn't destroy it. This you have not answered, nor, I suspect, can you. After all, if God was in the business of destroying everything associated with Himself that would be used as an idol if not destroyed (which is the principle you appealed to for why the SoT can't really be associated with Christ), the brazen serpent would certainly have been destroyed. It was not.
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posted on
04/10/2004 9:08:48 PM PDT
by
A.J.Armitage
(http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
To: RaceBannon; polemikos
So is a Bible printed in Chinese pictograms, idolatry?
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posted on
04/11/2004 12:24:14 AM PDT
by
Destro
(Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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