[AAABEST]

This Pharisitic nutjob wants us to "pray" for Mel Gibson alluding to the fact that he's evil (as taking the bait of the serpent) yet other religions who don't even believe in Christ have salvation?

Siiiiiiiick!

Then this fool advocates heathen hindu and zen prayer and in the same breath dares condemn those of us who worship Christ. From elsewhere on his site.

"Hawaiian Liturgy"

"Liturgical Dance"

"Jazz Liturgy"

[AAABEST]

Hawaiian Litury:

[Desdemona]

If Roger was my archbishop, I'm not sure I would fully paricipate in an archdiocesan parish either.

What a fruitcake.

[Tantumergo]

"Either one is in full communion with the Catholic Church, in unity with the Successor of Peter, or not. One cannot pick and choose .... which teaching to follow"

Hypocrite heal thyself!

[AAABEST]

ping

[TotusTuus]

I realize others do not like this Cardinal. I do not live in LA and can't give you a useful report about the Archdiocese or how he is handling it. I suspect that I would diasgree with certain of his decisions.

That said, I find nothing heretical/leftist/etc. about his comments in this interview to the extent that they are reported (though I'd like to ask follow-ups on certain of his latter responses). His comments early on about authority in the Church are clearly spot-on and any Catholic should recognize that fact.

Like it or not, for better or for worse, he is the Ordinary of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. He is a successor to the Apostles - in full communion with Peter. He does have the authentic spiritual authority for his See. I don't know the full story of Mel Gibson's status with the Church, but I do know that none of us has any right or authority to "excommunicate" the Cardinal.

He, and he alone, is the Pastor of the See of Los Angeles. If he is imcompetent or breaking Church Laws, take it up through the Canon process of the Church (ultimately the Pope). Until then, I don't think our Lord is pleased by this attack on the Archbishop. The Lord is his Judge.

I will try and pray for both Mel Gibson and the Cardinal, and all others as well. Prayer is always good.

[Snuffington]

By their fruits you shall know them.

Obviously, if Mr. Gibson is rejecting Christ's Church, that will not go well for him come judgement day. But then again, if a Cardinal and Archibishop is doing the same that will go even less well for him on judgement day.

Funny though that Mr. Gibson's work is bringing together Catholics and Protestants in unprecedented numbers, while the archbishop's version of ecumenism is having trouble holding even the Catholic faithful's attention. Certainly not sufficient evidence for any sweeping conclusion, but it sort of makes you go, "Hmmmm."

[steve86]

Satan told them, "you will be like gods, choosing good and evil."

It is the purveyors and adherents of the Second Vatican Council who are doing the CHOOSING. Traditionalists know full well good and evil -- have for the last 2000 years, always will -- Nothing good became evil nor evil became good in the last 40 years.

[B Knotts]

It's absolutely amazing that he has the nerve to criticize Mel Gibson, given the various things he allows in his archdiocese.

[Aliska]

As the Second Vatican Council teaches us, it is the Church's belief that everyone goes to heaven "through the salvific merits of Jesus Christ." Therefore, if they belong to another faith community, we believe that it is still the merits of Jesus' Paschal Mystery that enables them to reach the Kingdom of God.

Does Vatican II really teach that? If so, it seems to me to be a radical departure from what Christians, and especially Catholic Christians, have always believed.

The scriptures indicate that not everyone will be saved.

[AAABEST]

LET's ALL KISS AND HUG KIDS!

[narses]

Take your pick, the disturbed Abp. of Los Angeles, or the Passion of Christ! BTW, there are pictures of the Mahoney "Black Mass" with "native" (read that Islamic) dress out there somewhere. I posted them last year. The horrific stories from the hellhole that is the LA seminary would curl the toenails of the worst sinner.

[VermiciousKnid]

Amazing.

Mel Gibson, a Catholic who dares to worship in a traditional manner and who has possibly made the finest film ever put in the can about the Holy Sacrifice of our Savior is a bad boy, but it's perfectly OK to engage in "centering prayer" and Heaven knows what-all else...

And I thought I had it bad here in the Diocese of Rockville Centre.

Regards,

[Unam Sanctam]

As the Second Vatican Council teaches us, it is the Church's belief that everyone goes to heaven "through the salvific merits of Jesus Christ."

The Second Vatican Council does NOT teach universal automatic salvation. One can reject God to the last, or not follow the law of God written in one's heart.

[Salvation]

**Someone has offered to give me a VHS of the movie, and I will view it.**

LOL!

[Deo volente]

DRAGONS IN PROCESSION TO THE ALTAR OF THE LA CATHEDRAL

(I'm not making this up.)

http://the-tidings.com/2004/0130/chinese4.htm

[Dajjal]

Cardinal: As the Second Vatican Council teaches us, it is the Church's belief that everyone goes to heaven "through the salvific merits of Jesus Christ."

Everyone is going to heaven.

I mean, everyone except Mel Gibson, of course.

[LadyDoc]

Cardinal: Someone has offered to give me a VHS of the movie, and I will view it.

VHS? VHS? What's that?

Mahoney posits himself as "hip" and "with it"...?VHS? That is SOOOO old fashioned.

One telling thing about going to the Passion movie was that the usher told us to turn off our cellphones...when asked for a show of hands on how many had cellphones, two thirds put up their hands...

Cell phones are a mark of youth, and those up to date. Two thirds of the audience was young people...there is something profound about leaving a movie and seeing a punk dressed like a goth, complete with ear/face/nose piercings looking stunned and teary eyed.

For most elders, it was a gory movie. For my Philippino husband--as with many Spanish and Italians, the vivid sufferings of Christ is common in art. But for the youth, who see stylized gore in many movies but are taught "jesus lite", it was a profound movie.

As for "anti semitism": The leaders and mob scenes reminded me more of the Palestinian mobs on LGF than of anything that had to do with Judism, except for Mary holding Jesus, which reminded me of Israeli mothers holding bleeding children after a "homicide bombing" of buses carrying school children...

[johnb2004]

What I could never understand is how Mahony got to be a cardinal. This guy was a liberal and he still became a cardinal.

This piece only shows how truly crafty and manipulative he can be. He uses Church teaching as a cudgel to serve his own ends. He should have been thrown out decades ago.

[Antoninus]

"One cannot pick and choose which Pope to follow, especially dead ones, or which teaching to follow -- and then set aside the rest."

Yo Rog, we don't believe that those "dead" Popes are actually dead, do we? Maybe you do, who knows? And since when does one Pope teach a different doctrine than previous ones?

I find myself wishing for the days when heretic bishops were dragged off of their cathedras by rioting mobs. Even that is preferable to this current situation.

[man of Yosemite]

Those are really disturbing quotes that you have posted. On the one hand he says Mel is not in communion with the church, then he goes on to say that really everybody goes to heaven. Nothing could be a bigger lie than that, a thought totally unsupportable by anything scripture teaches. My aunt, who has been a staunch Catholic all her life is thinking the same Universalism lie that Mahoney just spouted. Honestly, if people aren't going to read the scriptures and be taught by the Holy Spirit, they're going to follow the devil. If this is what is being taught in Catholic churches today, then the sheep of Christ should come out of her. That is exactly why the continued teaching of priests to their church that the Catholic church is the only true church of Christ, is so very dangerous. Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst." He didn't say where two or three Catholics are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst. Lots of people are walking with the Lord in other churches.