Is Jesus Necessary For Salvation?

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[RMrattlesnake]

Is Jesus Necessary For Salvation?

Fewer than half of all Presbyterians believe that Jesus is necessary for salvation. This of course is heresy pure and simple, as the following Scriptures reveal. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6). "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12). "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood." (Revelation 1:5).

The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth from all sin, and I submit to you that this is the only way for sin to be cleansed and forgiven. "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7)

It is a total mystery to me that anyone could seriously claim to be a Christian and believe that there is any way to go to heaven than by believing in Jesus Christ.

Please read the story below for a shock.

Presbyterians: Jesus Is True, but Not Necessary for Salvation

Kevin Eckstrom

Religion News Service

Nearly three-quarters of Presbyterians believe that the "absolute truth for humankind is in Jesus Christ," but fewer than half say that only Christians will be saved, according to a new church survey. The periodic poll of members of the Presbyterian Church (USA) found that 70 percent of members, 75 percent of elders, 71 percent of pastors and 55 percent of specialized clergy (such as chaplains) agreed that the "only absolute truth for humankind is in Jesus Christ." When asked if "only followers of Jesus Christ can be saved," 43 percent of parishioners, 50 percent of elders, 39 percent of clergy and 24 percent of specialized clergy agreed. The nature and role of Jesus in salvation has divided the church in recent years. A furor erupted in 2001 when one pastor rhetorically asked, "So, what's the big deal about Jesus?" and suggested there may be other avenues for salvation. A statement passed by the church's 2001 General Assembly affirmed salvation through Jesus but remained silent on the destiny of non-Christians. "Although we do not know the limits of God's grace and pray for the salvation of those who may come to know Christ, for us the assurance of salvation is found only in confessing Christ and trusting Him alone," the resolution said. In other findings, two-thirds of members and 80 percent of pastors and elders believe that "Jesus will return to earth some day," and 86 percent of members and 96 percent of pastors believe in life after death. While 93 percent of parishioners believe in heaven, only 78 percent believe in hell.

[drstevej]

Ping to #120

Was Calvin right to challenge the Monks of Charroux? Was this bleeding also redemptive?

[Gamecock]

Hey Richard,

Care to contribute?

[RnMomof7]

"Even Martin Luther wondered how there could be twenty-six apostles buried in Germany, when there were only twelve in the entire Bible! It is said that if all the pieces of the cross displayed in Catholic churches were assembled together, it would take a ten-ton truck to carry them. It is clear that most ‘relics’ are frauds. Furthermore, there is nothing in the Bible that supports the veneration of relics, even if they are genuine" (page 132). Pilgrimage From Rome:

[RnMomof7]

Just in case you are in the market here is a discount relic store..no foreskins but they do have other things

http://www.discountcatholicstore.com/relic_medals.htm

Information about Relics
We obtain our Relic Medals from a trusted, reliable source in Italy.  The Third Class Relics on these Medals are the same Third Class Relics you would purchase if you traveled abroad to the shrine of the saint and purchased Third Class Relics there.

First Class Relics - Actual part of a saint (a bone, a hair, a limb, etc.)
Second Class Relics - An item that the saint wore (a sock, a shirt, a glove, etc.)
Third Class Relics - The Third Class Relics above fall into 2 categories.  The first category is a piece of cloth touched to the body of a saint.  The second category is a piece of cloth brought to the shrine (or site of the vision) of the saint.



The following Medals above have cloth touched to the body of the saint: St. Padre Pio, St. Jude, St. Gerard, St. Anthony, St. Benedict, St. Peregrine, St. Philomena, St. Clare, St. Cabrini, St. Therese and St. Rita.  The Divine Mercy Third Class Relic has been touched to the body of St. Faustina.

The following Medals have cloth that has been brought to the shrine (or the site of the vision of the saint): Our Lady of Fatima, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Czestochowa, St. Dymphna, St. Anne, St. Patrick, St. Catherine, St. Francis of Assisi and St. Lucy.



St. Michael's cloth relic was touched to what is believed to be his footprint in a cave in Italy.



All other Medals were obtained from a supplier who was unable to tell us if the Relics were touched to the body of the saint or brought to the shrine of the saint.



It is prohibited by the Catholic Church to sell First and Second Class Relics.  When the church prohibits the selling of "sacred relics" it is referring to First and Second class relics.  It is not referring to 3rd class relics.  It is not prohibited by the church to sell Third Class Relics.



      

[George W. Bush]

We Protestant types need to get into the relic racket business. Sounds like a lot of money to be made.

[Gamecock]

The of Christ must be in a league of it's own!

[Dr Warmoose]

Among the Roman Catholic Church's most highly venerated relics have been pieces of the "true Cross".

Which would be a good trick since the evidence is good that the original cross, wasn't the Helena cross, but was a beam nailed to an olive tree.

Even the foreskin (from His circumcision) was shown by the monks of Charroux, who, as a proof of its genuineness, declared that it yielded drops of blood.

Is this object of worship now located in San Francisco? would seem appropriate. (I wonder if that blood they found was haploid?)

and even a bottle of the milk on which Jesus had been suckled.

Complete with "Made In China" embossed into the plastic.

Such was apparently the belief of St. Paulinus who spoke of "the reintegration of the Cross", i.e. that it "never grew smaller in size, no matter how many pieces were detached from it"!

And the best for last! Chop up the cross and as fast as it "reintegrates" use the wood products to construct cathedrals made entirely of wood and nails from the cross. From the pulp and sawdust print Bibles and all stationary made entirely of the wood from the cross. Even toilet paper! The holiness you would have by surrounding yourself by products all made from the cross is astounding!

I'll even design the perpetual tree chipper so that one jams the cross into the feeder and out spews infinite quantities of wood chips.

[Gamecock]

126 should be: The of foreskin of Christ must be in a league of it's own!

Must turn off cybersitter....

[drstevej]

I'm waiting for the Protestant Relic Tour™:


-1- the Zippo Calvin used to set the fire under Servetus
-2- the last five of Luther's 100 Theses including the one that says, "If the Pope is the vicar of Christ, why does he wear a dress?"
-3- Zwingli's solo rendition of "Thanks for the Memories"
-4- the original prescription for "the soveraigne drugge Arminianisme" prescribed to Bonnie England from Dr. Jesuit to purge her Calvinism.

(I'm sure there are others you'd like to see. Feel free to add to the list.)
 

[RnMomof7]

We Protestant types need to get into the relic racket business. Sounds like a lot of money to be made.

It could be an off season business for you . It holds promise..but only at "discounts" (that broke me up) Cut rate holy relics...do ya spose they might be suspect?

[sandyeggo]

This is blasphemy. How could you speak of the Lord your God this way?

[Salvation]

I agree!

[RichardMoore]

Merry Christ's Mass to you all! Christ is truly present in His Word, and the Holy Eucharist. "Unless you eat My Body and drink My Blood you will not have life in you" The Sacrifice of the Mass is not a separate event from the Sacrifice of the Cross. It is a joining of that event. For further information go to Ewtn.com or watch it on your TV.
May Christ who is the Truth, The Way and The Life be with you.

[Alex Murphy]

This is blasphemy. How could you speak of the Lord your God this way?

And you don't consider it blasphemy to fill Tupperware containers with odd bits of skin that dropped off Him during his life?

[Alex Murphy]

I've never even heard of these things before - they are not recognized by the Church, so as far as I'm concerned, they are a red herring.

Then you're woefully ignorant and inexcusably illiterate regarding Catholic history, not to mention the last 100 posts on this thread. Can you eat red herring on Friday?

I am shamed to have even read what you wrote about my Lord.

Imagine what I could have done with a different tune, such as Bryan Adams' Cuts Like A Knife...

[Wrigley]

Imagine what I could have done with a different tune, such as Bryan Adams' Cuts Like A Knife.

I'm not sure I can handle the anticipation.