Again, Jews Fault Mormons Over Posthumous Baptisms

NY Times ^ | December 21, 2003 | IAN URBINA

[panaxanax]

I joined the party and posted early on and became disgusted with the level of maturity I was seeing. I'm going downstairs and read my Book of Mormon, put on some CHRISTMAS music and try to think good thoughts.

Have fun at the "party" and MERRY CHRISTMAS to each and every one of you. I really mean it!!

[restornu]

Cool, I see you've posted anti-Christian sites

Where?

The LDS might disagree with doctrine, yet respects others religions!

[Aliska]

Yes, may she truly rest in peace. She had such a beautiful sense of design and was very cultured, a wonderful cook. I'm not so blind as to admit the same thing could have happened in her life in any religion.

Just thinking about it now, I think she never really felt loved and appreciated by her husband and boys. She was always having missionaries over for Sunday dinner and things like that. They seemed to take for granted everything she did for them. I wish I had tried to do more for her in a nonreligious context.

I wish I felt more of a sense of peace about her. I think it is mostly the circumstances in which she died so unexpectedly.

And whatever religion is right or wrong, when you love someone, you want them to share in the promise of eternal life.

[Zionist Conspirator]

What do you think about Jesus, and His claim?

I just told you what I think about it.

(Bangs head in frustration) How many newbies are there around here who haven't learned that I'm a Noachide?

I John 14
6. Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

For the zillionth time, quoting a book whose religious authority I don't recognize in the first place accomplishes absolutely nothing. And for the zillion and first time, I'm not a Jew but a former chr*stian who once believed all this stuff. There is not a single argument any chr*stian can make to me that I have not already heard (in fact, used to believe myself), and rejected.

Instead of wasting your time with me, I suggest you combat the chr*stians on this site who endorse evolution, the documentary hypothesis, "Genesis is a myth," etc. Unfortunately, most of the chr*stians of the world believe these blasphemous things (not every chr*stian is a Fundamentalist Protestant, unfortunately).

[missyme]

If all they have is a name no property no, desecration of a grave how is that offensive? I mean they could baptize everyone in the Sunday Obituaries?

If you are doing nothing illegal or harm what is the big deal? this is really ridiculous, with the Internet you could baptize millions of folks.

Heck maybe every Freeper is being baptized in the name of the LDS church.

[panaxanax]

"Welcome to the party, Pollyanna."

That's the level of maturity I was talking about.

Good night

[Zionist Conspirator]

The Mormons did agree to knock it off. Then they reneged on the agreement.

If one's word isn't one's bond, there's all manner of bad things that fall out from that.

If I (lehavdil) believed as the mormons do I could not have made such an agreement. And it is cruel to ask people to violate their sincerely held religious beliefs without converting them to something else.

Unfortunately, too many Jews (even some Orthodox) are so hopped up on the single issue of "tolerance" that they support the most liberal chr*stians of every denomination, despite the fact that the ancient Biblical Jews are the very apotheosis of everything the liberals hate.

I am a Noachide. If Jews would stop playing the broken "tolerance" record and educate non-Jews in their true duties before HaShem, the True G-d, then there would be fewer followers of false "gxds" and false religions in the world, and fewer rituals such as this one.

[Elsie]

Gee!

 

No need to get all snippy with ME just because your prophet was afraid to stand against the United States Government!

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The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue--to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

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If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

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I guess I can't!

 

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives. HC 5: 501--507. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1-6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7-14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15-20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods;

 

Something about EVERLASTING manages to escape me, for some reason...............

[autoresponder]

lib/ACLU/shyster alert

some stereotype themselves and then scream

I notice dems pick up their cause again

pardon me..........

[ladyinred]

The history of the Christian Church and the Jews that you described is the exact reason I think this bothers them so much.

I have a dear friend who is a Mormon, and I always tell her not to bother to get baptized for me after I die, but I bet she does anyway! It won't really effect me one way or the other. If this is what they wish to do, fine! I don't believe in it, but they do, so to each his own I suppose.

[Elsie]

"Additionally, the Mormon church does not have a paid clergy, and men, as well as women do the proxy work."

Think.......

PONZIE!

[Redwood71]

Fair and balanced? I am displaying information for an opinion based upon personal facts and experiences that I have had concerning people connected to the religion. My original statement was that Smith had been arrested for numerous charges to include larceny, theft and treason, pulled out of prison by an angry mob, and shot to death. He escaped from prison once, was found guilty of crimes earlier in his life. Please tell me where the facts are not correct. Al Capone was good to his family and donated a lot to charities. But he was also a murderer, pimp, numbers runner, and a federal criminal. I will not compare Smith to Capone for content, but Smith was a con man. I don't have to be fair with a crook.

[Poohbah]

Eventually, a relative will say, "Sure, no problem."

The Holocaust is too close to the present for a lot of folks to deal with rationally.

If I were a Mormon, and I had a choice between having this ritual performed by me, personally, or forgoing it out of respect for the feelings of others who are immediately related to the person in question...I'd have to ask myself which decision is the more loving one.

[TontoKowalski]

If you are doing nothing illegal or harm what is the big deal? this is really ridiculous, with the Internet you could baptize millions of folks.

Oh, just doing it is a harmless little play act with no significance whatsoever. It's the recording of the act in some database that I object to.

I don't want my name associated with this sham religion for any reason whatsoever, and after I'm dead, I'll have no say in the matter. And that's a big deal to me.

[missyme]

In this age of "High Technology" they could get your name a number of ways.

As long as ther not asking for your social security number trying to obtain credit in your name or doing something illegal there is not much you could do with anybody having your name.

[TontoKowalski]

I have a dear friend who is a Mormon, and I always tell her not to bother to get baptized for me after I die, but I bet she does anyway!

Here's a cut-and-paste you can share with her from my post #452. She may not respect your wishes, but at least she'll have no doubt as to what they are.

I want to go on record right now and say that I completely, utterly, and without reservation reject the LDS version of Christianity, and would consider it a most unwelcome desecration of my memory to ever have this sham post-mortem baptism performed in my name.

[TontoKowalski]

As long as ther not asking for your social security number trying to obtain credit in your name or doing something illegal there is not much you could do with anybody having your name.

I guess you're right. But that doesn't mean I have to like it, or condone it, or pretend that it doesn't matter to me.

[Elsie]

All you LDS folks REALLY need to get on the same page on this matter!

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We will not flinch from the claim that the religions of the world have fallen into apostasy which required that the true gospel of Jesus Christ be restored. The man-made creeds were wrong, the teachings distorted, the Priesthood lost.

I guess it will be REAL easy then, to show exactly WHERE these 'creeds' were wrong.

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And, the Priesthood was NOT 'lost', as the LDS organization claims.

 

 

Hebrews 2:17
   For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for  the sins of the people.

 

Hebrews 3:1
   Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess.

 

Hebrews 4:14-15
14.   Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens,  Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.
15.   For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.

 

Hebrews 5:5-6
 5.  So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. "
 6.  And he says in another place, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."

 

Hebrews 6:19-20
 19.  We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain,
 20.  where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

 

Hebrews 7:11
   If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? (not a whole line of them)

 

Hebrews 7:15-17
 15.  And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
 16.  one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life.
 17.  For it is declared: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."

 

Hebrews 7:20-26
 20.  And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath,
 21.  but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: `You are a priest forever.'"
 22.  Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. 

 23.  Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 
 24.  but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.  25.  Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
 26.  Such a high priest meets our need--one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. (not a whole line of them)

 

Hebrews 8:1-2

 

 1.  The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
 2.  and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.

 

Hebrews 10:11
   Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. (duh)

 

Hebrews 10:12
 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.

[Elsie]

Pant.. pant


I got here and the finish line has moved another 56!

[Elsie]

This is the same stuff that gets sent to the media, illustrating how the LDS organization would like (respectfully, of course) these 'people' be described in the print or TV-radio.

Is the above true or not?