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No Preemptive Russian Nukes
AFP ^ | 10-09-03

Posted on 10/09/2003 6:14:00 PM PDT by Brian S

October 10, 2003

RUSSIA will not use nuclear weapons preemptively under any conditions but reserves the right to use conventional military force preventively, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said today.

Ivanov denied reports from Moscow last week that Russia was asserting the right to launch preemptive nuclear strikes under certain conditions as part of a new national security strategy.

"Russia still regards nuclear weapons as a means of political deterrence. We do not envisage a scenario or a situation where we would use such weapons first," he said through a translator at a press conference.

But Ivanov, who spoke after discussions with NATO defense ministers here on Russia's military modernization plans, said Russia would not give up the right to use conventional military force preventively against another country.

He said he briefed NATO ministers in detail on the conditions under which Russia might resort to preventive military attacks, noting that Russia regards the former Soviet republics as a "an important and sensitive sphere of security".

The ministers, he said, responded to his presentation with "understanding".

Agence France-Presse


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
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1 posted on 10/09/2003 6:14:00 PM PDT by Brian S
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Got a minute?
I'd really like you to rub my ears,
or help out FR.

3 posted on 10/09/2003 6:27:45 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Brian S
Russia's military modernization plans
They can afford to modernize their military? Really?
4 posted on 10/09/2003 7:10:12 PM PDT by Lord_KittenMan (Befuddle the Democrats, it really discombulates them!)
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To: Brian S
He must put up an agressive position, seeing how his country has degraded since ditching Communism. The sting is compounded by China's success while retaining Communism. Seeing so much American capital tied up with China and not Russia probably arouses more resentment in the former Sovs than any amount of propaganda did.
Unlike Iraq, Russia still possesses a wide array of natural resources that go untapped and a society that approached the United States in levels of technology and education.
A wise president would utilize this opportunity before it's ignored into a problem. We have enough of those already.
5 posted on 10/09/2003 7:45:57 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Cmdr. McBrag: "Did I ever tell you about the time I helped Ronald Reagan win the Cold War?")
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To: Brian S
Russian president the KGB criminal Putin, who's grandfather used to be Stalin's most trusted servant -his own cook, and Putin himself was expelled from West Germany as a Russian communist spy and saboteur, he cannot be trusted.

If there was any real freedom in Russia, he would've been in jail as the rest of the neo-communist Russian government.
There was never any true "anti-communist revolution in any of the "former" communist countries.

Anatoliy Golitsyn's book The Perestroika deception is right on the money.

Please read it and you'll understand what the communist criminals from Russia have REALLY in mind for America.
6 posted on 10/09/2003 8:05:17 PM PDT by Honza Malina
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To: Honza Malina
Russian president the KGB criminal Putin, who's grandfather used to be Stalin's most trusted servant -his own cook, and Putin himself was expelled from West Germany as a Russian communist spy and saboteur, he cannot be trusted. ===

Is it flame war again?:) FYI Putin never was in West Germany in first place aside to be spy and sabotier there.

There was never any true "anti-communist revolution in any of the "former" communist countries. ===

Including Chekhia?

Anatoliy Golitsyn's book The Perestroika deception is right on the money.

Please read it and you'll understand what the communist criminals from Russia have REALLY in mind for America. ===

Golytsin wrote about Soviet Union not Russia.
Golytsin forgot to mention one point. If there was inner circle which planned to dissolve Soviet Union to decieve West how Golytsin knew about it? According to his words the members of inner circle are not supposed to go abroad at all. He got away. How could?
I may conclude maybe his book is deception in reality? Who knows.
7 posted on 10/09/2003 9:05:35 PM PDT by RusIvan
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RusIvan, you are either one cool thinking fellow or a time-displaced sower of Soviet disinformation. Keep up the good work!
8 posted on 10/09/2003 10:06:37 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Eeyore Politician: "Oh, Pooh; what's the use? Everyone else is damned, might as well stop trying.")
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To: RusIvan
Russian president the KGB criminal Putin, who's grandfather used to be Stalin's most trusted servant -his own cook, and Putin himself was expelled from West Germany as a Russian communist spy and saboteur, he cannot be trusted. ===

Is it flame war again?:) FYI Putin never was in West Germany in first place aside to be spy and saboteur there.


No, he served in Bonn during the 1970s and was expelled for spying.
Putin joined the KGB when he was 17 years old.



There was never any true "anti-communist revolution in any of the "former" communist countries. ===

Including Chekhia?


Yes.
I can prove that beyond any doubt.
Read my interview with Petr Cibulka here:

1st interview:
http://www.jrnyquist.com/petr_cibulka_2003_0310.htm

2nd ihttp://www.jrnyquist.com/cibulka_2003_0905.htmnterview:



Anatoliy Golitsyn's book The Perestroika deception is right on the money.

Please read it and you'll understand what the communist criminals from Russia have REALLY in mind for America. ===

Golytsin wrote about Soviet Union not Russia.
Golytsin forgot to mention one point. If there was inner circle which planned to dissolve Soviet Union to deceive West how Golytsin knew about it? According to his words the members of inner circle are not supposed to go abroad at all. He got away. How could?

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Obviously you are posting very misleading arguments.
Golitsyn served in the KGB think tank and knew first hand about the strategy as he was present at the meeting with Khrushchev and Malenkov and others from the Presidio.
They were the ones who orchestrated this long range communist plan to deceive the United States and they patiently instructed their successors to follow the same strategy as Lenin first used in his NEP plan and his deceptive strategy towards the West.
You are casting a doubt on Golitsyn even though his percentage of accuracy about the deceptive strategic developments in the Eastern Europe at the end of the 1980 were proven to 94% accurate.
Golitsyn's knowledge about this long range communist plan to conquer the World is so important and also so damaging to the communist cause that the Russian KGB never retracted from the death sentence they passed on Golitsyn as he is still hiding somewhere in England.
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I may conclude maybe his book is deception in reality? Who knows.
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Yes, this is exactly what the GRU-KGB wants.
Just to cast a doubt about Golitsyn's perfect analysis of the communist future takeover of the World.

Are you saying that Russia and Putin are not presenting any danger to free society - the United States for example ?

What about Russia supplying weapons to all the terrorist nation like nuclear components to Iran right now, what about that ?

What about the Czech republic's sale of biological warfare agents from the Techotin facility to associates of Osama bin Laden in 1995 as stated in the British Intelligence report ?

These facts you cannot dispute, they are a matter of the public record.
9 posted on 10/09/2003 10:57:33 PM PDT by Honza Malina
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To: Honza Malina
No, he served in Bonn during the 1970s and was expelled for spying.
Putin joined the KGB when he was 17 years old. ===

17 years old? Why not 15 year old?:)) In 17 year old lad usually attends school.
After that someone goes to work on plant or field, others go to continue education in univercity. Putin was between seconds. He went to law faculty of Leningrad (now Sankt-Peterburg) state univercity. He is graduated lawer.
He studied till he was 22. Then he was recruited to intelegence service of KGB. He went to serve in East Germany in early 1980th.

Golitsyn served in the KGB think tank and knew first hand about the strategy as he was present at the meeting with Khrushchev and Malenkov and others from the Presidio. ===

Yes it is just strange. If he participated in meeting with Khuschev then how so he got away abroad? He was obviusly very high level of secret carrier. Such people supposedly aren't allowed to go even to Bulgaria according his own words.
BTW if he met with Kruschev and Malenkov(!!) then it was way before 1964 probably somewhere in 50th. Malenkov was drove from power by Hruschev somewhere near 1957.
SO his knowledge about KGB at least 40-50 years old now. I doubt that it is up to date to current time.

Just to cast a doubt about Golitsyn's perfect analysis of the communist future takeover of the World. ===

I think that american goverment casts doubts on his analisys too. Because I don't see no indications that they use his "work" in thier policy at all. And ever used.
BTW If I mull over what said about Golytsin by you is it wrong? Am I supposed to beleive anything said?
The thought conformity is the trait of totalitaric societies.

Golitsyn's knowledge about this long range communist plan to conquer the World is so important and also so damaging to the communist cause that the Russian KGB never retracted from the death sentence they passed on Golitsyn as he is still hiding somewhere in England. ===

Today no KGB anymore and no Soviet Union anymore but guy once was scared so deep that still hiding somewhere in England. It is his problem. Guess psycological one:)).

Are you saying that Russia and Putin are not presenting any danger to free society - the United States for example ? ===

Russia is free society itself. Putin is just elected russian president. His aproval rate right now is about 70%.
He is russian nationalist. He looks for best interest of Russia. It is his duty as president too.
I don't think it is dangerous for foreign countries. Any countries in world look for thier best interests.

What about Russia supplying weapons to all the terrorist nation like nuclear components to Iran right now, what about that ? ===

No sir. Russia doen't supply them with nuke components. She build CIVILIAN nuclier power plant under supervision of IEAE.
I'm think she may drop it but it will cost to her about 1 bln of dollars. Who will pay?
10 posted on 10/10/2003 6:51:25 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan; Honza Malina; DarkWaters; Orion78; Paul Ross

Bumping this from the lip of storage oblivion ....


11 posted on 08/31/2004 10:59:53 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Bump.


12 posted on 09/17/2004 5:08:52 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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