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Daily Thread: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) ^ | Sept. 27, 2003 | staff

Posted on 09/27/2003 4:45:44 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING

Title: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest Source: Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/html/activism.html Published: Sep 25, 2003 Author: staff

Beginning Sept. 28th thru Oct. 4th, many of us will be joining groups from across the country to counter the Illegal Immigrants Freedom Ride to DC. We will be using toll free phone numbers (that we pay for) to blitz the Senate, House and the Whitehouse on behalf of the hardworking citizens of the United States....the taxpayers.

Phone Nos.:

Senate and House: 1-800-648-3516

(When answered, just ask to be connected to a specific Senator or Rep)

Republican Nat'l Committee: 1-202-863-8500 (not toll free)

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414 (voice)

WH fax: 202-456-2461

Comment Line: 202-456-6213

Please join us. NUMBERS MATTER! It's our only hope to keep our politicians in line on this issue. We did it once early in the Bush Administration when he first pushed amnesty for illegals. It was a success! But we need you now to counter the Illegal's demand for "rights."

Please give us some time, if only to call your own Senators and Representatives to protest this invasion. And please consider calling as many of them as you can! In coming days I'll be posting links to the current incumbents, as well as a list of key sponsors of Pro-Illegal bills before the House and Senate.

Click on the above URL for a cram course on the Illegal Invasion.

The following are frequently asked questions to be used as talking points. Please print a copy to use in the event you actually get a "human being" to talk to! :0)

Frequently Asked Questions About Immigration Policy and Its Effects

How many immigrants come to the U.S.?

In 2001, more than one million immigrants were admitted to the United States. Additionally, about 500,000 entered illegally. This is nearly four times as many immigrants as we were receiving only 30 years ago.

Where are immigrants to the U.S. coming from?

About 20 percent come from Mexico. India, China, and the Philippines each send between five to seven percent. The following countries each send between two and three percent of our immigrants: Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, Haiti, Bosnia, Canada, the Dominican Republic, Ukraine, Korea, Russia, and Nicaragua. Together, these top 15 sending countries account for about 60 percent of all immigration to the U.S. The remaining 40 percent is composed of very small shares from a large number of other countries.

Who is able to immigrate?

Most immigration (almost two-thirds) is sponsored by family members in this country who most often immigrated themselves and are now legal permanent residents or have become U.S. citizens. Smaller shares of admissions (about one-sixth) go to workers (and their families) whom employers say they need to complement the native workforce, and to refugees and asylees (about one-tenth). In addition, about one out of every 25 admissions visas is given away by lottery.

Who is responsible for U.S. immigration policy?

As a sovereign state, the United States has the right and responsibility to regulate the permanent and temporary admissions of non-citizens. This authority is vested in the Congress, which makes the laws that determine the basis on which visas are authorized (although refugee admissions are proposed annually by the President for concurrance by the Congress). The regulations that promulgate those laws are developed and administered by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) a division of the Department of Justice (DOJ). Within the INS, there are the Border Patrol, which monitors the borders against illegal entry; the INS Inspectors, who monitor people entering the U.S. at ports of entry such as airports; INS Investigators, who track down violators of immigration law; and immigration judges (appointed by the Attorney General), who hear cases on violations of immigration law and regulation. Independent from the INS but still within in the DOJ, there is a Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) administered by the Executive Office for Immigration Review; the BIA hears appeals of decisions by the immigration judges.

Is immigration different now than it used to be?

Immigration is much higher now than it has historically been. Through most of our country's history (more than 180 years), we took in fewer than 500,000 immigrants a year; for more than 135 of those years, it was fewer than 300,000 immigrants. In 2001, our country admitted 1,064,318 legal immigrants, as well as an estimated additional 500,000 illegal immigrants. Only seven years in our entire history have had as many immigrants as we received in 2001.

Why should we reduce immigration?

Because so many of today's immigrants are low-skilled, mass immigration brings competition for entry-level jobs, harming American low-skilled workers. Because most of today's immigrants are poor, they are a drain on our fiscal resources and our economy. Because immigrants are being admitted faster they assimilate, mass immigration is causing social strain and strife among different groups. And because immigration is the source of most population growth in the U.S., it strains the environment and our natural resources.

How many immigrants should we have?

FAIR believes we should strive for a system in which continuing immigration does not add to our population size. That would mean admitting between 200,000 and 300,000 immigrants a year. This would allow us to maximize the positive effects of immigration without overwhelming our environment, schools, social services, and other institutions. It would also contribute to U.S. population stability over the long-term.

Answers to Tough Questions

Arguments you will hear…and the replies to have ready!

“Immigration is a big part of American tradition and national character. We are a nation of immigrants. ”

The fact is, immigration levels today are far higher than traditional levels; in the mid 1950s, our immigration was less than one-third what it is today. Also, the U.S. today is a very different country than in years past. We’re now a fully populated nation of almost 290 million people, not the sparsely settled territory of 150 years ago. Today we’re concerned about limiting sprawl, overcrowding, and environmental stress. Yet, if today’s rate of immigration is continued, it will add nearly 150 million people to our population over the next 80 years. How will that help achieve a single U.S. objective? Will it decrease traffic and other forms of congestion, improve water tables, decrease school overcrowding, cut oil consumption, reduce housing costs? Not one single domestic objective of our nation is being facilitated by today’s mass migration.

“Immigration has been good for us in the past and has made our nation great.”

Immigration in the past did bring benefits--in the past, the U.S. needed large numbers of people to settle the frontiers, cut forests, build railroads, mine gold, and much more. Today’s priorities are preserving our remaining wilderness areas, conserving our natural resources, and ensuring a better quality of life for future generations.

Furthermore, immigration in the past has been quite limited. History shows us that immigration at high levels is not beneficial, which is why the country cut back immigration after the brief Ellis Island period. In the past, we have successfully absorbed and assimilated immigrants because we have periodically halted immigration.

“Throughout our history, people have always attacked immigration and they have always been wrong.”

While people have opposed immigration for a variety of motives over the years, Americans have always had legitimate concerns about immigration and its effects on our population, economy, and society. While we have coped successfully with some of these concerns in the past, that is largely because mass immigration to this country was stopped, not because the concerns were unfounded.

“Immigration is less of a problem today because immigrants comprise a smaller share of our overall population than ever before.”

Quite the opposite is true. When there were fewer people in this country, there was more room and opportunity for immigrants. Now, in a country already stuffed with well over a quarter of a billion people, adding another million through immigration every year is much more of a problem. The more people we have in our country, the fewer immigrants can be added without unwanted consequences.

“Opposition to high immigration is rooted in racism.”

There are always people who support the right idea for the wrong reasons--but that doesn’t make the idea itself wrong. None of this changes the fact that bringing a million additional people from other countries into this one is disruptive to our economy, our society, and our environment. We condemn racism. But we also condemn the use of terms such as “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” or “xenophobe” as they are used to try to stifle open, honest discussion of how our immigration policy is impacting the country.

“Immigrants are a driving force behind our economy, performing jobs that Americans won’t do.”

There are no jobs Americans won’t do, only conditions and wages that are unacceptable. The employers who have become economically dependent on immigrants for cheap labor use this argument to justify virtual indentured servitude and then try to shame Americans into accepting it. Job competition by waves of new immigrants depresses the wages and salaries of American workers and hits hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

“Immigrants don’t take jobs from Americans, they create more jobs.”

Actually, both are true. But many of those jobs created are jobs in providing services to immigrants. Other jobs that immigrants create are generally low-skilled and mostly go to other other immigrants anyway. This doesn’t really benefit Americans at all; it simply creates distortions in the economy, generally away from the high-skills, high-education, high-wage economy most Americans support. And it doesn’t in any way address the increased burdens on our schools, environment, social services, and natural resources that bringing in so many additional people causes.

“We live in a global economy and must have foreign workers to compete in the world market.”

Very little immigration is of skilled personnel. Besides, it is precisely because of advances in global communications that we do not have to allow people to move to the U.S. to take advantage of their talents and benefit from their contributions.

“Immigrants are a net benefit, because they pay taxes and contribute more to our society than they cost.”

The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. A calculation to the contrary works only if you discount the programs used by the immigrants’ children, refugees and asylees, immigrants who aren’t of working age, illegal immigrants working “off the books,” and immigrants from certain countries.

This argument also ignores the impact of sacrificing farmland and forests to roads and housing developments, increasing congestion to the point that people spend more time in traffic than at home with their families, and raising the burden on our already strained water supply and other natural resources.

“A country as big as America has room for lots more people.”

A country isn’t a big box that you stuff as many people in as possible. It’s a society supported by an environment, and the question isn’t how many people can physically fit in it, but how many people the society wants and the environment can support. Many of the “wide open spaces ” in the U.S. are inhospitable deserts or mountains, or are already used as farmland to raise food to support the population living on the coasts and to export to feed people in other countries.

“Immigrants catch up quickly economically and soon blend into American society.”

There is increasing evidence of groups of immigrants who are trapped in depressed inner cities, and their children similarly find themselves unable to escape poverty. Today more than 21 million people in our country say that they speak English less than very well. Besides, the hub of the problem is not the rate at which immigrants are assimilating, it’s the rate at which we are admitting them. As long as we have mass immigration, the bulk of unassimilated people in our culture will grow, causing social tension and conflict.

“Illegal immigration is the only real problem, not legal immigration.”

The distinction between legal and illegal immigrants is increasingly blurred by programs such as the amnesty in 1986 that gave legal status to nearly three million illegal residents and provisions that allow illegal immigrants to become legal residents if they marry someone legally here, i.e., Section 245(i). There is little difference between the societal effects from illegal immigrants and from those who were amnestied (and the same is true to a large extent for family members sponsored by former illegal aliens).

“We have a humanitarian obligation to take in struggling people from other countries.”

We can’t solve the world’s problems by importing a tiny fraction of the millions who would like to come here. Instead, we should solve problems where people live and help them turn their countries into places that people aren’t driven to leave. But although the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees says that foreign aid and assistance is best utilized when the resources are spent on alleviating problems at their source, the U.S. channels a large share of its refugee resources on the transportation, language training, cultural adaptation, and assistance grants to refugees resettled in the United States that could benefit many more refugees if expended on temporary shelter and sustenance at refugee facilities near the refugees’ homeland and in the refugees’ eventual return to their homes.

It should be noted, however, that the United States admits as refugees many persons who are not true refugees under the United Nations’ standard, e.g. people from Cuba who do not qualify for asylum in this country.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters
KEYWORDS: alien; bus; fair; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform
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To: wita
I am not a proponent of skinheads or neo-nazi groups, but it is now possible to understand some of what they have been saying for years, in light of what uncontrolled immigration can, will, and has done to our society.

I pretty much feel the same way. I have to wonder if these people JustPiper was descibing were really white supremist or a group like we have here in St. Louis called the Council of Coservative Citizens which is basically a "Whites Right" group. The C of CC has organized a counter-protest today here in St. Louis. After going to their web site I can see I agree with then on about 90% of the issues. Once race is brought up, well, you become a racist just for agreeing with them on issues like the 2nd Admendment, defending our borders, abortion, etc.

All this week at work, I tried to encourage some of my fellow union brothers who speak out against illegals to come down to the counter-protest since some of our dues has gone into sponsoring this "Illegal Ride". They just want to mouth-off but not get envolved. I'm not sure if I want to go to this event by myself.

61 posted on 09/28/2003 7:31:20 AM PDT by Missouri (I picked two good tomatos out of my own garden today with no help from illegals)
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To: NRA1995
California will be pushing the law about health care stating it is a federal responsibility because the federal governmesnt failed to secure the borders.

The whole countries taxes, fees and insurance rates have increased and will probably increase more to pay for votes.

Tis a sad day in America.
62 posted on 09/28/2003 8:28:22 AM PDT by texastoo
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To: texastoo
BTTT
64 posted on 09/28/2003 10:32:11 AM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: Dr Warmoose
The only thing keeping illegals' labor costs low is the fear of deportation. If they are given the slightest cover of legality, their wages will go up to the norm. Then there will be no advantage to having them here AT ALL... but it will be too late -- they will be here taking jobs from US citizens at HIGH rates instead of low ones (there goes that excuse) and getting welfare for their families.

In fact, it probably already is too late.

The fawning press coverage of this disgusting event is just too depressing.

We are STILL silenced! :-(
67 posted on 09/28/2003 12:27:04 PM PDT by Jerez2
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To: Dr Warmoose
The only thing keeping illegals' labor costs low is the fear of deportation. If they are given the slightest cover of legality, their wages will go up to the norm. Then there will be no advantage to having them here AT ALL... but it will be too late -- they will be here taking jobs from US citizens at HIGH rates instead of low ones (there goes that excuse) and getting welfare for their families.

In fact, it probably already is too late.

The fawning press coverage of this disgusting event is just too depressing.

We are STILL silenced! :-(
68 posted on 09/28/2003 12:27:04 PM PDT by Jerez2
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To: HiJinx
Thanx Jinx!
69 posted on 09/28/2003 1:04:11 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING; Admin Moderator
Would you please add Daily Thread Admin? This will be ongoing for the next week.
70 posted on 09/28/2003 1:07:07 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: truthkeeper; Kinetic
Thanx Truth but the two of us were so lonely ;( Please give a shootout to my daughter Freeper Kinetic!
71 posted on 09/28/2003 1:09:14 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Well, two drops -g- my daughter wanted to go and is also a Freeper, Kinetic.
72 posted on 09/28/2003 1:10:41 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: JustPiper; Kinetic
You are both so great. If you have a ping list, could you put me on it? I can at least bump some threads!
73 posted on 09/28/2003 1:12:07 PM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
EW, it was posted on another thread today that a Freeper got return email from Bush and he stated he supports 'only' Legal Immigration -shrug-
74 posted on 09/28/2003 1:12:30 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Very important issue. Bump!
75 posted on 09/28/2003 1:13:19 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
The suggestion came up to have a massive bus ride of our own, how can we organize this?
76 posted on 09/28/2003 1:15:45 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: Be active
And like us yesterday, we were the only two Freepers but it didn't stop us from going! And I am terrified of the elevated /subway ;)
77 posted on 09/28/2003 1:17:57 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: Missouri
He even said that a guy from the International was pestering him and other Locals here in Missouri to each kick in $500.00 to this event to house these radicals. Our president said "no thanks" to this bozo.

I am so blinded with anger at these unions! And kudos to your president, tell him thank you!

78 posted on 09/28/2003 1:20:01 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: 4Freedom
If the Feds began with all the landscaping businesses alone, damn! My brother-in-law owns a land business in CA and hires only Americans!
79 posted on 09/28/2003 1:21:45 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: vikingcelt
I'll tellya it creeped Freeper Kinetic , my daughter, out to no end. I told her in my 50+ years I have never seen tha happen here!
80 posted on 09/28/2003 1:23:44 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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