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Daily Thread: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) ^ | Sept. 27, 2003 | staff

Posted on 09/27/2003 4:45:44 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING

Title: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest Source: Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/html/activism.html Published: Sep 25, 2003 Author: staff

Beginning Sept. 28th thru Oct. 4th, many of us will be joining groups from across the country to counter the Illegal Immigrants Freedom Ride to DC. We will be using toll free phone numbers (that we pay for) to blitz the Senate, House and the Whitehouse on behalf of the hardworking citizens of the United States....the taxpayers.

Phone Nos.:

Senate and House: 1-800-648-3516

(When answered, just ask to be connected to a specific Senator or Rep)

Republican Nat'l Committee: 1-202-863-8500 (not toll free)

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414 (voice)

WH fax: 202-456-2461

Comment Line: 202-456-6213

Please join us. NUMBERS MATTER! It's our only hope to keep our politicians in line on this issue. We did it once early in the Bush Administration when he first pushed amnesty for illegals. It was a success! But we need you now to counter the Illegal's demand for "rights."

Please give us some time, if only to call your own Senators and Representatives to protest this invasion. And please consider calling as many of them as you can! In coming days I'll be posting links to the current incumbents, as well as a list of key sponsors of Pro-Illegal bills before the House and Senate.

Click on the above URL for a cram course on the Illegal Invasion.

The following are frequently asked questions to be used as talking points. Please print a copy to use in the event you actually get a "human being" to talk to! :0)

Frequently Asked Questions About Immigration Policy and Its Effects

How many immigrants come to the U.S.?

In 2001, more than one million immigrants were admitted to the United States. Additionally, about 500,000 entered illegally. This is nearly four times as many immigrants as we were receiving only 30 years ago.

Where are immigrants to the U.S. coming from?

About 20 percent come from Mexico. India, China, and the Philippines each send between five to seven percent. The following countries each send between two and three percent of our immigrants: Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, Haiti, Bosnia, Canada, the Dominican Republic, Ukraine, Korea, Russia, and Nicaragua. Together, these top 15 sending countries account for about 60 percent of all immigration to the U.S. The remaining 40 percent is composed of very small shares from a large number of other countries.

Who is able to immigrate?

Most immigration (almost two-thirds) is sponsored by family members in this country who most often immigrated themselves and are now legal permanent residents or have become U.S. citizens. Smaller shares of admissions (about one-sixth) go to workers (and their families) whom employers say they need to complement the native workforce, and to refugees and asylees (about one-tenth). In addition, about one out of every 25 admissions visas is given away by lottery.

Who is responsible for U.S. immigration policy?

As a sovereign state, the United States has the right and responsibility to regulate the permanent and temporary admissions of non-citizens. This authority is vested in the Congress, which makes the laws that determine the basis on which visas are authorized (although refugee admissions are proposed annually by the President for concurrance by the Congress). The regulations that promulgate those laws are developed and administered by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) a division of the Department of Justice (DOJ). Within the INS, there are the Border Patrol, which monitors the borders against illegal entry; the INS Inspectors, who monitor people entering the U.S. at ports of entry such as airports; INS Investigators, who track down violators of immigration law; and immigration judges (appointed by the Attorney General), who hear cases on violations of immigration law and regulation. Independent from the INS but still within in the DOJ, there is a Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) administered by the Executive Office for Immigration Review; the BIA hears appeals of decisions by the immigration judges.

Is immigration different now than it used to be?

Immigration is much higher now than it has historically been. Through most of our country's history (more than 180 years), we took in fewer than 500,000 immigrants a year; for more than 135 of those years, it was fewer than 300,000 immigrants. In 2001, our country admitted 1,064,318 legal immigrants, as well as an estimated additional 500,000 illegal immigrants. Only seven years in our entire history have had as many immigrants as we received in 2001.

Why should we reduce immigration?

Because so many of today's immigrants are low-skilled, mass immigration brings competition for entry-level jobs, harming American low-skilled workers. Because most of today's immigrants are poor, they are a drain on our fiscal resources and our economy. Because immigrants are being admitted faster they assimilate, mass immigration is causing social strain and strife among different groups. And because immigration is the source of most population growth in the U.S., it strains the environment and our natural resources.

How many immigrants should we have?

FAIR believes we should strive for a system in which continuing immigration does not add to our population size. That would mean admitting between 200,000 and 300,000 immigrants a year. This would allow us to maximize the positive effects of immigration without overwhelming our environment, schools, social services, and other institutions. It would also contribute to U.S. population stability over the long-term.

Answers to Tough Questions

Arguments you will hear…and the replies to have ready!

“Immigration is a big part of American tradition and national character. We are a nation of immigrants. ”

The fact is, immigration levels today are far higher than traditional levels; in the mid 1950s, our immigration was less than one-third what it is today. Also, the U.S. today is a very different country than in years past. We’re now a fully populated nation of almost 290 million people, not the sparsely settled territory of 150 years ago. Today we’re concerned about limiting sprawl, overcrowding, and environmental stress. Yet, if today’s rate of immigration is continued, it will add nearly 150 million people to our population over the next 80 years. How will that help achieve a single U.S. objective? Will it decrease traffic and other forms of congestion, improve water tables, decrease school overcrowding, cut oil consumption, reduce housing costs? Not one single domestic objective of our nation is being facilitated by today’s mass migration.

“Immigration has been good for us in the past and has made our nation great.”

Immigration in the past did bring benefits--in the past, the U.S. needed large numbers of people to settle the frontiers, cut forests, build railroads, mine gold, and much more. Today’s priorities are preserving our remaining wilderness areas, conserving our natural resources, and ensuring a better quality of life for future generations.

Furthermore, immigration in the past has been quite limited. History shows us that immigration at high levels is not beneficial, which is why the country cut back immigration after the brief Ellis Island period. In the past, we have successfully absorbed and assimilated immigrants because we have periodically halted immigration.

“Throughout our history, people have always attacked immigration and they have always been wrong.”

While people have opposed immigration for a variety of motives over the years, Americans have always had legitimate concerns about immigration and its effects on our population, economy, and society. While we have coped successfully with some of these concerns in the past, that is largely because mass immigration to this country was stopped, not because the concerns were unfounded.

“Immigration is less of a problem today because immigrants comprise a smaller share of our overall population than ever before.”

Quite the opposite is true. When there were fewer people in this country, there was more room and opportunity for immigrants. Now, in a country already stuffed with well over a quarter of a billion people, adding another million through immigration every year is much more of a problem. The more people we have in our country, the fewer immigrants can be added without unwanted consequences.

“Opposition to high immigration is rooted in racism.”

There are always people who support the right idea for the wrong reasons--but that doesn’t make the idea itself wrong. None of this changes the fact that bringing a million additional people from other countries into this one is disruptive to our economy, our society, and our environment. We condemn racism. But we also condemn the use of terms such as “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” or “xenophobe” as they are used to try to stifle open, honest discussion of how our immigration policy is impacting the country.

“Immigrants are a driving force behind our economy, performing jobs that Americans won’t do.”

There are no jobs Americans won’t do, only conditions and wages that are unacceptable. The employers who have become economically dependent on immigrants for cheap labor use this argument to justify virtual indentured servitude and then try to shame Americans into accepting it. Job competition by waves of new immigrants depresses the wages and salaries of American workers and hits hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

“Immigrants don’t take jobs from Americans, they create more jobs.”

Actually, both are true. But many of those jobs created are jobs in providing services to immigrants. Other jobs that immigrants create are generally low-skilled and mostly go to other other immigrants anyway. This doesn’t really benefit Americans at all; it simply creates distortions in the economy, generally away from the high-skills, high-education, high-wage economy most Americans support. And it doesn’t in any way address the increased burdens on our schools, environment, social services, and natural resources that bringing in so many additional people causes.

“We live in a global economy and must have foreign workers to compete in the world market.”

Very little immigration is of skilled personnel. Besides, it is precisely because of advances in global communications that we do not have to allow people to move to the U.S. to take advantage of their talents and benefit from their contributions.

“Immigrants are a net benefit, because they pay taxes and contribute more to our society than they cost.”

The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. A calculation to the contrary works only if you discount the programs used by the immigrants’ children, refugees and asylees, immigrants who aren’t of working age, illegal immigrants working “off the books,” and immigrants from certain countries.

This argument also ignores the impact of sacrificing farmland and forests to roads and housing developments, increasing congestion to the point that people spend more time in traffic than at home with their families, and raising the burden on our already strained water supply and other natural resources.

“A country as big as America has room for lots more people.”

A country isn’t a big box that you stuff as many people in as possible. It’s a society supported by an environment, and the question isn’t how many people can physically fit in it, but how many people the society wants and the environment can support. Many of the “wide open spaces ” in the U.S. are inhospitable deserts or mountains, or are already used as farmland to raise food to support the population living on the coasts and to export to feed people in other countries.

“Immigrants catch up quickly economically and soon blend into American society.”

There is increasing evidence of groups of immigrants who are trapped in depressed inner cities, and their children similarly find themselves unable to escape poverty. Today more than 21 million people in our country say that they speak English less than very well. Besides, the hub of the problem is not the rate at which immigrants are assimilating, it’s the rate at which we are admitting them. As long as we have mass immigration, the bulk of unassimilated people in our culture will grow, causing social tension and conflict.

“Illegal immigration is the only real problem, not legal immigration.”

The distinction between legal and illegal immigrants is increasingly blurred by programs such as the amnesty in 1986 that gave legal status to nearly three million illegal residents and provisions that allow illegal immigrants to become legal residents if they marry someone legally here, i.e., Section 245(i). There is little difference between the societal effects from illegal immigrants and from those who were amnestied (and the same is true to a large extent for family members sponsored by former illegal aliens).

“We have a humanitarian obligation to take in struggling people from other countries.”

We can’t solve the world’s problems by importing a tiny fraction of the millions who would like to come here. Instead, we should solve problems where people live and help them turn their countries into places that people aren’t driven to leave. But although the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees says that foreign aid and assistance is best utilized when the resources are spent on alleviating problems at their source, the U.S. channels a large share of its refugee resources on the transportation, language training, cultural adaptation, and assistance grants to refugees resettled in the United States that could benefit many more refugees if expended on temporary shelter and sustenance at refugee facilities near the refugees’ homeland and in the refugees’ eventual return to their homes.

It should be noted, however, that the United States admits as refugees many persons who are not true refugees under the United Nations’ standard, e.g. people from Cuba who do not qualify for asylum in this country.


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To: hedgetrimmer
Thanks hedgetrimmer. No, I'm not about to give up. This is the future of our country at stake here and my daughter's and granddaughter's futures. I will not give up.
41 posted on 09/27/2003 8:33:55 PM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: JustPiper
"Had hoods and masks pulled up to their eyes."

Sounds just like the Palestinians. Is that what's in store for this country?
42 posted on 09/27/2003 8:40:27 PM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Thank you.
43 posted on 09/27/2003 8:43:57 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: 4Freedom
Picking your own tomatos???

Ate one for lunch today and I can't tell you how good it was. I never buy store bought tomatos. Won't be long before cold weather sets in and I'll have to change my tag line.

I have this dream where most Americans wake up from their slumber, plow up their backyards, and plant a vegetable garden. If this would happen we'd put about 1/2 of the illegals out of work and they'd have to go home. I can dream, can't I?

44 posted on 09/27/2003 8:45:16 PM PDT by Missouri (I picked two good tomatos out of my own garden today with no help from illegals)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Only my name is new...I've been here since '98. It's recommended that we change our names regularly for privacy purposes.
45 posted on 09/27/2003 8:48:20 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
The distinction between legal and illegal immigrants is increasingly blurred by programs such as the amnesty

I think what is probably more important are immigrants requiring handout programs like food stamps and welfare ---- legal or illegal versus those immigrants who are self-reliant. Add in those who deal in stolen and document fraud and other serious crimes ---- legal or illegal versus those immigrants who otherwise respect the laws here.

There are some hard-working non-violent illegals who are better than many of the legals including those previously amnestied soaking up the welfare.

46 posted on 09/27/2003 8:49:29 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: JustPiper
So those banditos keep screaming obscentities and threats at us and really singled out my 16 yr old, Kinetic, for some reason and she was simply holding an American flag!

Not surprising --- these are very serious Marxists. I'm actually kind of curious how many at these "protests" making all the big demands are even illegals. I have a feeling that most are radical leftist US-hating US citizens. Most of that brown-power MEChA crap comes from 1st generation chicanos who hate this country but don't even know their own country because they were born here and benefitted from every handout program here.

47 posted on 09/27/2003 8:52:48 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: JustPiper
Great job Piper. Thanks
48 posted on 09/27/2003 9:06:13 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: JustPiper
Thank you for the trip report, sounds like you had a hellofa day, don't be discouraged, this is only the beginning. You, and others like us are ahead of the pack. The outrage will spread across America in time. I give you a big "thumbs up" for confronting the illegals.


49 posted on 09/27/2003 9:40:30 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I was away from home for a couple of months this summer up in the good ole USA.

At every opportunity, I talked about illegal aliens to friends and strangers. There is alot of anger out there regarding this issue.

I was in Walmart and started a conversation about expenses and the fact that insurance rates are going up because of illegals and 5 people came up and put their 2 cents worth in agreeing with me.

I was in another store when 3 Mexicans walked by speaking Spanish. To another customer, I mentioned the fact that they need to speak English. The customer worked at a flea market and told me about the hordes of Mexicans there. He said when he gets enough of them, he yells "el migra" meaning the immigration police. He laughed and said they scatter when he does that as he has a low gruff voice.

People are very angry about the free health care that the illegals get. Here in south texas, a hispanic friend told me that she and her husband's insurance policy had gone up from $500. to $8oo a month. They dropped their health insurance policy last month. They are also angry about Mexicans coming here getting free health care.








50 posted on 09/27/2003 9:59:04 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Need the names of your homeboys for tomorrows action? Go to numbersusa.com. You can check their voting records and fax them for free if you wish.
51 posted on 09/27/2003 10:43:54 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
If there are any groups even worse than the Mexicans, it's Haitians and Somalis. Truly undesirable.
52 posted on 09/27/2003 10:51:27 PM PDT by holyscroller
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Where the h@ll is INS?!!
53 posted on 09/27/2003 11:17:52 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: A. Pole; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Cacophonous; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; ...
Very little immigration is of skilled personnel. Besides, it is precisely because of advances in global communications that we do not have to allow people to move to the U.S. to take advantage of their talents and benefit from their contributions.

We do not need skilled people. We are going to be a service based economy, don't you remember?


We don't need more skilled people immigrating to the U.S. because we have advances in telecommunications and a global economy. Especially since most of the skilled workers might have a sense of moral and individual responsibility, AND might turn out to be Republican or WORSE YET, CONSERVATIVE voters ultimately. Businesses will get the service and products that it needs either domestically or import/outsource.

What is needed by today's Democratic politicans are more voters, and now..... They are getting very desparate to hold power the further left they go. They are losing their old political power base because in their quest for power, they end up promising and providing more money and benefits to potiential voters for their vote --- it's a blank checkbook. Provide amnesty to the illegals (they will vote for the Democrats), provide benefits to illegals (they will vote for the Democrats), provide them with the documents to hide their illegal status (Consular Matricular card acceptance and CA driver's licenses) and MOST OF ALL provide them with the opportunity to illegitimately register to vote (Motor/Voter registration [oh, did they know that they were supposed to be U.S. citizens, OR didn't anybody inform them of this requirement or ask for any kind of citizen documentation]}. [And then you have the fact that most of the election fraud is occurring in large Democrat-controlled cities and isn't even investigated ... yet alone enforced].

It is a vicous cycle, the more they provide, the more others want and in order to please them all, they at least promise to provide more. The more they provide, the more government involvement in every facet of our lves and the further socialist their policies become. The Democrats have successfully turned this into a discrimination issue.

The Republicans, in general, do not have the backbone to
stand up to this and refuse both for their own political consequences and business lobbying to address this issue even though it has such far reaching consequences beyond just immigration and politics, with the war on terror (which the Democrats even refuse to recognize is still going on) and our own citizenry and national security at risk.

This issue is a continues to fester. It suits the Democrats and liberals to pursue this. Even if they do not win on the issue this time, they will continue pushing. Their strategy is to force the Republicans to compromise on their position Because if they don't they will be labeled as extremists and UNCOMPROMISING (which is supposed to upset the general public, haven't they heard of standing up for one's principles [oh, that's right, liberals don't have any]). Then the liberals force a compromise and force that stance to be accepted as the status quo. Then they start arguing again for the conservatives to compromise between the new status quo and what the liberals want still. It is a war of attrition, and can not be compromised on anything of substance because this just rewards the liberals and encourages them to continue this juvenile and self-serving behavior. In the minds of the liberals, government is only a game ... a game for power and greed...a game to be won or lost, and they will not lose, if they don't give up anything.

Immigration has to be controlled or we will all suffer in the long-run.


By the way, go Cubbies!!!!!!!
54 posted on 09/28/2003 12:19:02 AM PDT by Jerr (What would Ronald Reagan do? There they go AGAIN!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I went to Senator Craig's office in Boise, Idaho and complained about the "Freedom Ride", in-state tuition rates for illegals, and driver's licenses for illegals, since Craig wants to grant "amnesty" to illegal aliens that work in agriculture and has co-sponsored a bill for in-state tuition for illegals.

The poor interns and office workers looked rather stunned after I got done. I only asked them: "Where were they when my civil rights were violated when my driver's license was pulled without due process?", "Where was my cut rate tuition when I went to college?", "Where's my job that I've been looking for the last 2 years?"

They really get uncomfortable when you ask how to become an illegal alien so you can get free stuff.

55 posted on 09/28/2003 2:15:16 AM PDT by Victoria_R (Or ask for a refund of all income taxes you've ever paid since the government isn't representing you)
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To: A. Pole
Yeah I thought all the jobs lost were the low-paying crummy jobs that we Americans didn't want to do anyway.
56 posted on 09/28/2003 5:23:04 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Pro-Bush
I don't get the picture of Bush giving a thumbs-up.

Whose side do you believe he's on in the battle between illegal immigrants and U.S. Citizens?

Who do you believe has ordered the new Dept. of Immigration and Border Patrol to keep their hands off these bus loads of illegal immigrants?

57 posted on 09/28/2003 6:07:07 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Missouri
Its pretty sad...

I for one have to give credit where it is due. White supremist organizations have been rooted out and basically imasculated for their principled stand on this issue. They have been telling it like it is for years and have suffered their own destruction because of the way they went about it. The rest of society is starting to see the light, unfortunately it may be just a little late. I am not a proponent of skinheads or neo-nazi groups, but it is now possible to understand some of what they have been saying for years, in light of what uncontrolled immigration can, will, and has done to our society.

58 posted on 09/28/2003 6:45:54 AM PDT by wita
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To: texastoo
I can't wait to see how California plans on having a large enough tax base from a population of minimum-wage-earning illegal aliens to drive their welfare-state policies.
59 posted on 09/28/2003 7:00:43 AM PDT by NRA1995
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To: NRA1995
If Arnold is elected governor, he's going to seize control of Hollyweird and make nothing but action movies using millions of illegal aliens as 'cheap' extras.

The proceeds from the movies will offset the cost of all his new social programs.

'Yah, we will no more in Hollywood make the 'sissy' movies, yah.' ;^)

60 posted on 09/28/2003 7:29:29 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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