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Daily Thread: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) ^ | Sept. 27, 2003 | staff

Posted on 09/27/2003 4:45:44 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING

Title: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest Source: Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/html/activism.html Published: Sep 25, 2003 Author: staff

Beginning Sept. 28th thru Oct. 4th, many of us will be joining groups from across the country to counter the Illegal Immigrants Freedom Ride to DC. We will be using toll free phone numbers (that we pay for) to blitz the Senate, House and the Whitehouse on behalf of the hardworking citizens of the United States....the taxpayers.

Phone Nos.:

Senate and House: 1-800-648-3516

(When answered, just ask to be connected to a specific Senator or Rep)

Republican Nat'l Committee: 1-202-863-8500 (not toll free)

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414 (voice)

WH fax: 202-456-2461

Comment Line: 202-456-6213

Please join us. NUMBERS MATTER! It's our only hope to keep our politicians in line on this issue. We did it once early in the Bush Administration when he first pushed amnesty for illegals. It was a success! But we need you now to counter the Illegal's demand for "rights."

Please give us some time, if only to call your own Senators and Representatives to protest this invasion. And please consider calling as many of them as you can! In coming days I'll be posting links to the current incumbents, as well as a list of key sponsors of Pro-Illegal bills before the House and Senate.

Click on the above URL for a cram course on the Illegal Invasion.

The following are frequently asked questions to be used as talking points. Please print a copy to use in the event you actually get a "human being" to talk to! :0)

Frequently Asked Questions About Immigration Policy and Its Effects

How many immigrants come to the U.S.?

In 2001, more than one million immigrants were admitted to the United States. Additionally, about 500,000 entered illegally. This is nearly four times as many immigrants as we were receiving only 30 years ago.

Where are immigrants to the U.S. coming from?

About 20 percent come from Mexico. India, China, and the Philippines each send between five to seven percent. The following countries each send between two and three percent of our immigrants: Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, Haiti, Bosnia, Canada, the Dominican Republic, Ukraine, Korea, Russia, and Nicaragua. Together, these top 15 sending countries account for about 60 percent of all immigration to the U.S. The remaining 40 percent is composed of very small shares from a large number of other countries.

Who is able to immigrate?

Most immigration (almost two-thirds) is sponsored by family members in this country who most often immigrated themselves and are now legal permanent residents or have become U.S. citizens. Smaller shares of admissions (about one-sixth) go to workers (and their families) whom employers say they need to complement the native workforce, and to refugees and asylees (about one-tenth). In addition, about one out of every 25 admissions visas is given away by lottery.

Who is responsible for U.S. immigration policy?

As a sovereign state, the United States has the right and responsibility to regulate the permanent and temporary admissions of non-citizens. This authority is vested in the Congress, which makes the laws that determine the basis on which visas are authorized (although refugee admissions are proposed annually by the President for concurrance by the Congress). The regulations that promulgate those laws are developed and administered by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) a division of the Department of Justice (DOJ). Within the INS, there are the Border Patrol, which monitors the borders against illegal entry; the INS Inspectors, who monitor people entering the U.S. at ports of entry such as airports; INS Investigators, who track down violators of immigration law; and immigration judges (appointed by the Attorney General), who hear cases on violations of immigration law and regulation. Independent from the INS but still within in the DOJ, there is a Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) administered by the Executive Office for Immigration Review; the BIA hears appeals of decisions by the immigration judges.

Is immigration different now than it used to be?

Immigration is much higher now than it has historically been. Through most of our country's history (more than 180 years), we took in fewer than 500,000 immigrants a year; for more than 135 of those years, it was fewer than 300,000 immigrants. In 2001, our country admitted 1,064,318 legal immigrants, as well as an estimated additional 500,000 illegal immigrants. Only seven years in our entire history have had as many immigrants as we received in 2001.

Why should we reduce immigration?

Because so many of today's immigrants are low-skilled, mass immigration brings competition for entry-level jobs, harming American low-skilled workers. Because most of today's immigrants are poor, they are a drain on our fiscal resources and our economy. Because immigrants are being admitted faster they assimilate, mass immigration is causing social strain and strife among different groups. And because immigration is the source of most population growth in the U.S., it strains the environment and our natural resources.

How many immigrants should we have?

FAIR believes we should strive for a system in which continuing immigration does not add to our population size. That would mean admitting between 200,000 and 300,000 immigrants a year. This would allow us to maximize the positive effects of immigration without overwhelming our environment, schools, social services, and other institutions. It would also contribute to U.S. population stability over the long-term.

Answers to Tough Questions

Arguments you will hear…and the replies to have ready!

“Immigration is a big part of American tradition and national character. We are a nation of immigrants. ”

The fact is, immigration levels today are far higher than traditional levels; in the mid 1950s, our immigration was less than one-third what it is today. Also, the U.S. today is a very different country than in years past. We’re now a fully populated nation of almost 290 million people, not the sparsely settled territory of 150 years ago. Today we’re concerned about limiting sprawl, overcrowding, and environmental stress. Yet, if today’s rate of immigration is continued, it will add nearly 150 million people to our population over the next 80 years. How will that help achieve a single U.S. objective? Will it decrease traffic and other forms of congestion, improve water tables, decrease school overcrowding, cut oil consumption, reduce housing costs? Not one single domestic objective of our nation is being facilitated by today’s mass migration.

“Immigration has been good for us in the past and has made our nation great.”

Immigration in the past did bring benefits--in the past, the U.S. needed large numbers of people to settle the frontiers, cut forests, build railroads, mine gold, and much more. Today’s priorities are preserving our remaining wilderness areas, conserving our natural resources, and ensuring a better quality of life for future generations.

Furthermore, immigration in the past has been quite limited. History shows us that immigration at high levels is not beneficial, which is why the country cut back immigration after the brief Ellis Island period. In the past, we have successfully absorbed and assimilated immigrants because we have periodically halted immigration.

“Throughout our history, people have always attacked immigration and they have always been wrong.”

While people have opposed immigration for a variety of motives over the years, Americans have always had legitimate concerns about immigration and its effects on our population, economy, and society. While we have coped successfully with some of these concerns in the past, that is largely because mass immigration to this country was stopped, not because the concerns were unfounded.

“Immigration is less of a problem today because immigrants comprise a smaller share of our overall population than ever before.”

Quite the opposite is true. When there were fewer people in this country, there was more room and opportunity for immigrants. Now, in a country already stuffed with well over a quarter of a billion people, adding another million through immigration every year is much more of a problem. The more people we have in our country, the fewer immigrants can be added without unwanted consequences.

“Opposition to high immigration is rooted in racism.”

There are always people who support the right idea for the wrong reasons--but that doesn’t make the idea itself wrong. None of this changes the fact that bringing a million additional people from other countries into this one is disruptive to our economy, our society, and our environment. We condemn racism. But we also condemn the use of terms such as “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” or “xenophobe” as they are used to try to stifle open, honest discussion of how our immigration policy is impacting the country.

“Immigrants are a driving force behind our economy, performing jobs that Americans won’t do.”

There are no jobs Americans won’t do, only conditions and wages that are unacceptable. The employers who have become economically dependent on immigrants for cheap labor use this argument to justify virtual indentured servitude and then try to shame Americans into accepting it. Job competition by waves of new immigrants depresses the wages and salaries of American workers and hits hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

“Immigrants don’t take jobs from Americans, they create more jobs.”

Actually, both are true. But many of those jobs created are jobs in providing services to immigrants. Other jobs that immigrants create are generally low-skilled and mostly go to other other immigrants anyway. This doesn’t really benefit Americans at all; it simply creates distortions in the economy, generally away from the high-skills, high-education, high-wage economy most Americans support. And it doesn’t in any way address the increased burdens on our schools, environment, social services, and natural resources that bringing in so many additional people causes.

“We live in a global economy and must have foreign workers to compete in the world market.”

Very little immigration is of skilled personnel. Besides, it is precisely because of advances in global communications that we do not have to allow people to move to the U.S. to take advantage of their talents and benefit from their contributions.

“Immigrants are a net benefit, because they pay taxes and contribute more to our society than they cost.”

The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. A calculation to the contrary works only if you discount the programs used by the immigrants’ children, refugees and asylees, immigrants who aren’t of working age, illegal immigrants working “off the books,” and immigrants from certain countries.

This argument also ignores the impact of sacrificing farmland and forests to roads and housing developments, increasing congestion to the point that people spend more time in traffic than at home with their families, and raising the burden on our already strained water supply and other natural resources.

“A country as big as America has room for lots more people.”

A country isn’t a big box that you stuff as many people in as possible. It’s a society supported by an environment, and the question isn’t how many people can physically fit in it, but how many people the society wants and the environment can support. Many of the “wide open spaces ” in the U.S. are inhospitable deserts or mountains, or are already used as farmland to raise food to support the population living on the coasts and to export to feed people in other countries.

“Immigrants catch up quickly economically and soon blend into American society.”

There is increasing evidence of groups of immigrants who are trapped in depressed inner cities, and their children similarly find themselves unable to escape poverty. Today more than 21 million people in our country say that they speak English less than very well. Besides, the hub of the problem is not the rate at which immigrants are assimilating, it’s the rate at which we are admitting them. As long as we have mass immigration, the bulk of unassimilated people in our culture will grow, causing social tension and conflict.

“Illegal immigration is the only real problem, not legal immigration.”

The distinction between legal and illegal immigrants is increasingly blurred by programs such as the amnesty in 1986 that gave legal status to nearly three million illegal residents and provisions that allow illegal immigrants to become legal residents if they marry someone legally here, i.e., Section 245(i). There is little difference between the societal effects from illegal immigrants and from those who were amnestied (and the same is true to a large extent for family members sponsored by former illegal aliens).

“We have a humanitarian obligation to take in struggling people from other countries.”

We can’t solve the world’s problems by importing a tiny fraction of the millions who would like to come here. Instead, we should solve problems where people live and help them turn their countries into places that people aren’t driven to leave. But although the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees says that foreign aid and assistance is best utilized when the resources are spent on alleviating problems at their source, the U.S. channels a large share of its refugee resources on the transportation, language training, cultural adaptation, and assistance grants to refugees resettled in the United States that could benefit many more refugees if expended on temporary shelter and sustenance at refugee facilities near the refugees’ homeland and in the refugees’ eventual return to their homes.

It should be noted, however, that the United States admits as refugees many persons who are not true refugees under the United Nations’ standard, e.g. people from Cuba who do not qualify for asylum in this country.


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To: JustPiper
Bump
281 posted on 10/01/2003 2:55:16 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: moehoward
Then would you help with our Call-In date tomorrow?
282 posted on 10/01/2003 7:57:52 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak; All
We don't seem to be getting much commitment for our call-in date tomorrow and that disturbs me ;(
283 posted on 10/01/2003 7:58:49 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: JustPiper
Guys, make sure you call These people's offices and these #'s on Thursday 10-2! The Senator/Reps contained in these links needs to be contacted!

Thaxs for the heads us...will do.

284 posted on 10/01/2003 9:24:43 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: gpl4eva
Probably, but I wouldn't know where to look.
285 posted on 10/01/2003 10:03:57 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: JustPiper
Cheer up. I am calling in
286 posted on 10/01/2003 10:06:43 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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To: JustPiper
Piper! What went wrong? Jim freepmailed me that he'd have to remove the thread if some didn't cool it with the derogatory names. I posted a beg, asking everyone to cool it with the language. Next day the thread had disappeared. I assume someone acted up?
287 posted on 10/01/2003 10:14:26 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Dr Warmoose
I wonder how many illegals would stay employed if they had to play by the same rules as US workers?
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I wonder how many jobs there would be if the employers got mandatory jailtime if caught? It's extortion...we have to pay to subsidize their cheap labor!
288 posted on 10/01/2003 10:16:10 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: JustPiper
I'll be calling JustPiper. All day long if I have too. Faxing too. E-mailing too. This is outrageous and it's got to stop.
289 posted on 10/01/2003 10:27:17 PM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: gpl4eva
in absolute terms these numbers aren't very meaningfull. is there anywhere with the proportion of foreign born in the population, going back some 100 to 200 years?

Immigration, both legal and illegal, has a profound impact on the nation that is reflected in the diversity of cultures, languages and ethnic groups characteristic of the U.S. The public policy implications of immigration stem from its impact on population growth, employment, and wages. Presently, this impact is further affected by the high rate of immigration to the United States. The immigrant population is growing 6.5 times faster than the native-born population. The 31.1 million immigrants found in the 2000 Census is unparalleled in American history. It is more than triple the 9.6 million in 1970 and more than double the 14.1 million in 1980. The absolute size of the foreign-born population is at an all-time high.

IMMIGRATION TO THE UNITED STATES: 2002 UPDATE

290 posted on 10/01/2003 10:38:50 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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To: WRhine
Thanx W...the Hill today only has the 'scandal' on their minds, although a few female dems are speaking up vehemently on the illegals rights!
293 posted on 10/02/2003 8:36:34 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: WRhine
Thanx W...the Hill today only has the 'scandal' on their minds, although a few female dems are speaking up vehemently on the illegals rights!
294 posted on 10/02/2003 8:36:54 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: WRhine
Thanx W...the Hill today only has the 'scandal' on their minds, although a few female dems are speaking up vehemently on the illegals rights!
295 posted on 10/02/2003 8:37:53 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Everything seems fine EW...I keep getting errors trying to post, but they go through eventually.
296 posted on 10/02/2003 8:39:05 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: vikingcelt
You are a true Viking my friend -g-...I have been incensed and digusted this am on every cable channel, including both C-Spans. The Dems are doing their dirty work no matter which way you turn or what you listen too. They resented talk radio and just like elections the only way they can get it is by robbing! The female Congress Critter's are being obnoxious about illegals rights. The reports on the scandal, the WMD's, I can't even listen anymore I swear!
297 posted on 10/02/2003 8:43:29 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: Pro-Bush
Thanx for this link M!

Conclusions
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The high rate of increase in immigration during the 1990s can be characterized as "sociological shock." The 11.3 million (or 57 percent) increase, from 19.8 million in 1990 to 31.1 million in 2000, is unprecedented in the history of the United States, both numerically and proportionately. Even during the great wave of immigration from 1900 to 1910, the foreign-born population grew by only 3.2 million (or 31 percent) from 10.3 million to 13.5 million. The foreign-born population increased from 7.9 percent of the total population in 1990 to 11.1 percent in 2000. If current trends continue, the percentage of the population that is foreign-born will surpass by the end of this decade the all-time high of 14.8 percent, registered in 1890.

< The unparalleled boom in immigration directly impacts critical issues such as politics and social welfare programs. In 2000, according to the United States Census, immigrants accounted for 5.5 percent of all registered voters. However, only 37 percent of immigrants are naturalized citizens and thus eligible to vote.

< The proportion of eligible immigrant households using welfare programs is 30 to 50 percent higher than that of native households. One-third of immigrants do not have health insurance; this is nearly 2.5 times the rate of the native population. As a result, immigrants who arrived after 1989 and their U.S. born children account for 60 percent, or 5.5 million, of the increase in the size of the uninsured population. The boom in immigration has also played a large role in the increase in public school enrollment. In 2000, there were 8.6 million school-age children from immigrant families in the United States.

< Increases in immigration have also given rise to new security concerns. In recent years the United States has attempted to prevent most undocumented immigrants from entering illegally. In 2000, the INS reported that 184,775 undocumented immigrants were formally removed from the country. Of this total, 150,068, or over 90 percent, were originally from Mexico. The total number of formal removals has increased more than 150 percent since 1996.

< Since the September 11, 2001 attacks, border apprehensions have decreased. According to the INS, border apprehensions at the Mexican border between October 2001 and February 2002 were at their lowest figure in 17 years. This was due in part to a decline in economic prosperity in the United States and also a substantial rise in the cost of illegally entering the country. Another effect of the September 11, 2001 terrorist acts and the weakened economic conditions has been a decrease in the number of work visas issued to immigrants. Approximately 60,500 temporary visas for immigrants with special computer-related or other technical skills were issued from October 1, 2001, to June 30, 2002, in contrast to 130,700 issued in the same period during the previous fiscal year, according to the Justice Department's Immigration and Naturalization Service.

< Many possible solutions to the problem of illegal Mexican immigration to the United States have been discussed. The Bush administration rejects a proposal similar to that of IRCA, passed in 1986, because it believes that IRCA proved ineffective in stemming illegal Mexican migration and also that the INS is currently too over-burdened to adopt such a measure. One of the alternatively proposed solutions is a guest-worker program that would permit unauthorized Mexicans already in the United States to obtain a temporary legal status and subsequently would admit additional Mexican workers to fill jobs throughout the U.S. economy. The bill would ensure that guest workers return to Mexico when their work permits expire and would raise sanctions on employers who knowingly hire illegal workers, in order to encourage them to employ legal workers.
298 posted on 10/02/2003 8:46:09 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: Pro-Bush
Thanx for this link M!

Conclusions
___________

The high rate of increase in immigration during the 1990s can be characterized as "sociological shock." The 11.3 million (or 57 percent) increase, from 19.8 million in 1990 to 31.1 million in 2000, is unprecedented in the history of the United States, both numerically and proportionately. Even during the great wave of immigration from 1900 to 1910, the foreign-born population grew by only 3.2 million (or 31 percent) from 10.3 million to 13.5 million. The foreign-born population increased from 7.9 percent of the total population in 1990 to 11.1 percent in 2000. If current trends continue, the percentage of the population that is foreign-born will surpass by the end of this decade the all-time high of 14.8 percent, registered in 1890.

< The unparalleled boom in immigration directly impacts critical issues such as politics and social welfare programs. In 2000, according to the United States Census, immigrants accounted for 5.5 percent of all registered voters. However, only 37 percent of immigrants are naturalized citizens and thus eligible to vote.

< The proportion of eligible immigrant households using welfare programs is 30 to 50 percent higher than that of native households. One-third of immigrants do not have health insurance; this is nearly 2.5 times the rate of the native population. As a result, immigrants who arrived after 1989 and their U.S. born children account for 60 percent, or 5.5 million, of the increase in the size of the uninsured population. The boom in immigration has also played a large role in the increase in public school enrollment. In 2000, there were 8.6 million school-age children from immigrant families in the United States.

< Increases in immigration have also given rise to new security concerns. In recent years the United States has attempted to prevent most undocumented immigrants from entering illegally. In 2000, the INS reported that 184,775 undocumented immigrants were formally removed from the country. Of this total, 150,068, or over 90 percent, were originally from Mexico. The total number of formal removals has increased more than 150 percent since 1996.

< Since the September 11, 2001 attacks, border apprehensions have decreased. According to the INS, border apprehensions at the Mexican border between October 2001 and February 2002 were at their lowest figure in 17 years. This was due in part to a decline in economic prosperity in the United States and also a substantial rise in the cost of illegally entering the country. Another effect of the September 11, 2001 terrorist acts and the weakened economic conditions has been a decrease in the number of work visas issued to immigrants. Approximately 60,500 temporary visas for immigrants with special computer-related or other technical skills were issued from October 1, 2001, to June 30, 2002, in contrast to 130,700 issued in the same period during the previous fiscal year, according to the Justice Department's Immigration and Naturalization Service.

< Many possible solutions to the problem of illegal Mexican immigration to the United States have been discussed. The Bush administration rejects a proposal similar to that of IRCA, passed in 1986, because it believes that IRCA proved ineffective in stemming illegal Mexican migration and also that the INS is currently too over-burdened to adopt such a measure. One of the alternatively proposed solutions is a guest-worker program that would permit unauthorized Mexicans already in the United States to obtain a temporary legal status and subsequently would admit additional Mexican workers to fill jobs throughout the U.S. economy. The bill would ensure that guest workers return to Mexico when their work permits expire and would raise sanctions on employers who knowingly hire illegal workers, in order to encourage them to employ legal workers.
299 posted on 10/02/2003 8:46:20 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: All
Sorry for all the duplicate posts I keep getting internal errors and have emailed FR's webmaster
300 posted on 10/02/2003 8:47:41 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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