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Daily Thread: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) ^ | Sept. 27, 2003 | staff

Posted on 09/27/2003 4:45:44 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING

Title: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest Source: Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/html/activism.html Published: Sep 25, 2003 Author: staff

Beginning Sept. 28th thru Oct. 4th, many of us will be joining groups from across the country to counter the Illegal Immigrants Freedom Ride to DC. We will be using toll free phone numbers (that we pay for) to blitz the Senate, House and the Whitehouse on behalf of the hardworking citizens of the United States....the taxpayers.

Phone Nos.:

Senate and House: 1-800-648-3516

(When answered, just ask to be connected to a specific Senator or Rep)

Republican Nat'l Committee: 1-202-863-8500 (not toll free)

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414 (voice)

WH fax: 202-456-2461

Comment Line: 202-456-6213

Please join us. NUMBERS MATTER! It's our only hope to keep our politicians in line on this issue. We did it once early in the Bush Administration when he first pushed amnesty for illegals. It was a success! But we need you now to counter the Illegal's demand for "rights."

Please give us some time, if only to call your own Senators and Representatives to protest this invasion. And please consider calling as many of them as you can! In coming days I'll be posting links to the current incumbents, as well as a list of key sponsors of Pro-Illegal bills before the House and Senate.

Click on the above URL for a cram course on the Illegal Invasion.

The following are frequently asked questions to be used as talking points. Please print a copy to use in the event you actually get a "human being" to talk to! :0)

Frequently Asked Questions About Immigration Policy and Its Effects

How many immigrants come to the U.S.?

In 2001, more than one million immigrants were admitted to the United States. Additionally, about 500,000 entered illegally. This is nearly four times as many immigrants as we were receiving only 30 years ago.

Where are immigrants to the U.S. coming from?

About 20 percent come from Mexico. India, China, and the Philippines each send between five to seven percent. The following countries each send between two and three percent of our immigrants: Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, Haiti, Bosnia, Canada, the Dominican Republic, Ukraine, Korea, Russia, and Nicaragua. Together, these top 15 sending countries account for about 60 percent of all immigration to the U.S. The remaining 40 percent is composed of very small shares from a large number of other countries.

Who is able to immigrate?

Most immigration (almost two-thirds) is sponsored by family members in this country who most often immigrated themselves and are now legal permanent residents or have become U.S. citizens. Smaller shares of admissions (about one-sixth) go to workers (and their families) whom employers say they need to complement the native workforce, and to refugees and asylees (about one-tenth). In addition, about one out of every 25 admissions visas is given away by lottery.

Who is responsible for U.S. immigration policy?

As a sovereign state, the United States has the right and responsibility to regulate the permanent and temporary admissions of non-citizens. This authority is vested in the Congress, which makes the laws that determine the basis on which visas are authorized (although refugee admissions are proposed annually by the President for concurrance by the Congress). The regulations that promulgate those laws are developed and administered by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) a division of the Department of Justice (DOJ). Within the INS, there are the Border Patrol, which monitors the borders against illegal entry; the INS Inspectors, who monitor people entering the U.S. at ports of entry such as airports; INS Investigators, who track down violators of immigration law; and immigration judges (appointed by the Attorney General), who hear cases on violations of immigration law and regulation. Independent from the INS but still within in the DOJ, there is a Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) administered by the Executive Office for Immigration Review; the BIA hears appeals of decisions by the immigration judges.

Is immigration different now than it used to be?

Immigration is much higher now than it has historically been. Through most of our country's history (more than 180 years), we took in fewer than 500,000 immigrants a year; for more than 135 of those years, it was fewer than 300,000 immigrants. In 2001, our country admitted 1,064,318 legal immigrants, as well as an estimated additional 500,000 illegal immigrants. Only seven years in our entire history have had as many immigrants as we received in 2001.

Why should we reduce immigration?

Because so many of today's immigrants are low-skilled, mass immigration brings competition for entry-level jobs, harming American low-skilled workers. Because most of today's immigrants are poor, they are a drain on our fiscal resources and our economy. Because immigrants are being admitted faster they assimilate, mass immigration is causing social strain and strife among different groups. And because immigration is the source of most population growth in the U.S., it strains the environment and our natural resources.

How many immigrants should we have?

FAIR believes we should strive for a system in which continuing immigration does not add to our population size. That would mean admitting between 200,000 and 300,000 immigrants a year. This would allow us to maximize the positive effects of immigration without overwhelming our environment, schools, social services, and other institutions. It would also contribute to U.S. population stability over the long-term.

Answers to Tough Questions

Arguments you will hear…and the replies to have ready!

“Immigration is a big part of American tradition and national character. We are a nation of immigrants. ”

The fact is, immigration levels today are far higher than traditional levels; in the mid 1950s, our immigration was less than one-third what it is today. Also, the U.S. today is a very different country than in years past. We’re now a fully populated nation of almost 290 million people, not the sparsely settled territory of 150 years ago. Today we’re concerned about limiting sprawl, overcrowding, and environmental stress. Yet, if today’s rate of immigration is continued, it will add nearly 150 million people to our population over the next 80 years. How will that help achieve a single U.S. objective? Will it decrease traffic and other forms of congestion, improve water tables, decrease school overcrowding, cut oil consumption, reduce housing costs? Not one single domestic objective of our nation is being facilitated by today’s mass migration.

“Immigration has been good for us in the past and has made our nation great.”

Immigration in the past did bring benefits--in the past, the U.S. needed large numbers of people to settle the frontiers, cut forests, build railroads, mine gold, and much more. Today’s priorities are preserving our remaining wilderness areas, conserving our natural resources, and ensuring a better quality of life for future generations.

Furthermore, immigration in the past has been quite limited. History shows us that immigration at high levels is not beneficial, which is why the country cut back immigration after the brief Ellis Island period. In the past, we have successfully absorbed and assimilated immigrants because we have periodically halted immigration.

“Throughout our history, people have always attacked immigration and they have always been wrong.”

While people have opposed immigration for a variety of motives over the years, Americans have always had legitimate concerns about immigration and its effects on our population, economy, and society. While we have coped successfully with some of these concerns in the past, that is largely because mass immigration to this country was stopped, not because the concerns were unfounded.

“Immigration is less of a problem today because immigrants comprise a smaller share of our overall population than ever before.”

Quite the opposite is true. When there were fewer people in this country, there was more room and opportunity for immigrants. Now, in a country already stuffed with well over a quarter of a billion people, adding another million through immigration every year is much more of a problem. The more people we have in our country, the fewer immigrants can be added without unwanted consequences.

“Opposition to high immigration is rooted in racism.”

There are always people who support the right idea for the wrong reasons--but that doesn’t make the idea itself wrong. None of this changes the fact that bringing a million additional people from other countries into this one is disruptive to our economy, our society, and our environment. We condemn racism. But we also condemn the use of terms such as “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” or “xenophobe” as they are used to try to stifle open, honest discussion of how our immigration policy is impacting the country.

“Immigrants are a driving force behind our economy, performing jobs that Americans won’t do.”

There are no jobs Americans won’t do, only conditions and wages that are unacceptable. The employers who have become economically dependent on immigrants for cheap labor use this argument to justify virtual indentured servitude and then try to shame Americans into accepting it. Job competition by waves of new immigrants depresses the wages and salaries of American workers and hits hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

“Immigrants don’t take jobs from Americans, they create more jobs.”

Actually, both are true. But many of those jobs created are jobs in providing services to immigrants. Other jobs that immigrants create are generally low-skilled and mostly go to other other immigrants anyway. This doesn’t really benefit Americans at all; it simply creates distortions in the economy, generally away from the high-skills, high-education, high-wage economy most Americans support. And it doesn’t in any way address the increased burdens on our schools, environment, social services, and natural resources that bringing in so many additional people causes.

“We live in a global economy and must have foreign workers to compete in the world market.”

Very little immigration is of skilled personnel. Besides, it is precisely because of advances in global communications that we do not have to allow people to move to the U.S. to take advantage of their talents and benefit from their contributions.

“Immigrants are a net benefit, because they pay taxes and contribute more to our society than they cost.”

The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. A calculation to the contrary works only if you discount the programs used by the immigrants’ children, refugees and asylees, immigrants who aren’t of working age, illegal immigrants working “off the books,” and immigrants from certain countries.

This argument also ignores the impact of sacrificing farmland and forests to roads and housing developments, increasing congestion to the point that people spend more time in traffic than at home with their families, and raising the burden on our already strained water supply and other natural resources.

“A country as big as America has room for lots more people.”

A country isn’t a big box that you stuff as many people in as possible. It’s a society supported by an environment, and the question isn’t how many people can physically fit in it, but how many people the society wants and the environment can support. Many of the “wide open spaces ” in the U.S. are inhospitable deserts or mountains, or are already used as farmland to raise food to support the population living on the coasts and to export to feed people in other countries.

“Immigrants catch up quickly economically and soon blend into American society.”

There is increasing evidence of groups of immigrants who are trapped in depressed inner cities, and their children similarly find themselves unable to escape poverty. Today more than 21 million people in our country say that they speak English less than very well. Besides, the hub of the problem is not the rate at which immigrants are assimilating, it’s the rate at which we are admitting them. As long as we have mass immigration, the bulk of unassimilated people in our culture will grow, causing social tension and conflict.

“Illegal immigration is the only real problem, not legal immigration.”

The distinction between legal and illegal immigrants is increasingly blurred by programs such as the amnesty in 1986 that gave legal status to nearly three million illegal residents and provisions that allow illegal immigrants to become legal residents if they marry someone legally here, i.e., Section 245(i). There is little difference between the societal effects from illegal immigrants and from those who were amnestied (and the same is true to a large extent for family members sponsored by former illegal aliens).

“We have a humanitarian obligation to take in struggling people from other countries.”

We can’t solve the world’s problems by importing a tiny fraction of the millions who would like to come here. Instead, we should solve problems where people live and help them turn their countries into places that people aren’t driven to leave. But although the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees says that foreign aid and assistance is best utilized when the resources are spent on alleviating problems at their source, the U.S. channels a large share of its refugee resources on the transportation, language training, cultural adaptation, and assistance grants to refugees resettled in the United States that could benefit many more refugees if expended on temporary shelter and sustenance at refugee facilities near the refugees’ homeland and in the refugees’ eventual return to their homes.

It should be noted, however, that the United States admits as refugees many persons who are not true refugees under the United Nations’ standard, e.g. people from Cuba who do not qualify for asylum in this country.


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To: Conservatish
Good job today and thank your mom, too.

Our family vacation in June took us to the Hill Country of Southern Indiana. Visited the Lincoln home and Holiday World Amusement Park. We had a wonderful time, every place we visited was clean, and the people were great. It seems like the folks there are getting along pretty good without illegals.

221 posted on 09/29/2003 8:39:44 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: DumpsterDiver
Oct 2 has been designated "National Call-In Day to Support Immigrants' Rights" by the Freedom Riders.

They ask supporters to "Urge President Bush and members of Congress to support immigrants' rights. Make your toll-free calls any time on October 2 to the White House at 800 321-8268 and to Congress at 888 355-3588."Oct 2 has been designated "National Call-In Day to Support Immigrants' Rights" by the Freedom Riders.

They ask supporters to "Urge President Bush and members of Congress to support immigrants' rights. Make your toll-free calls any time on October 2 to the White House at 800 321-8268 and to Congress at 888 355-3588."



THankyou for this info, DD! What say Freepers! Let's tie up the phone lines so they can't get thru on that day!

222 posted on 09/29/2003 10:07:48 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: MD_Willington_1976
You have every reason to rant! You're exactly the kind of citizen we WANT in this country! Instead, we get the invasion that costs us an estimated $20 Billion a year and take 730,000 US Citizen's jobs from us! WHY is the big question. I've yet to get the answer from a politician. I have inquired about large campaign contributions and possible offshore retirement accounts, however. LOL I honestly don't understand why they are doing this. And why on earth would they keep away someone like you? It makes no sense.
223 posted on 09/29/2003 10:16:07 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Conservatish
At the very least, 90% to 95% of the cars driving by, whether driven by black or white, honked their horns. The libs didn't like that one bit!

Thankyou, Conservatish! You of all people had a good excuse to do nothing! Thankyou!

Honk signs work when they address what the citizens really care about! That response was heartening! Bless them all!

I think everybody is tired of having their pockets picked for subsidizing that "unCHEAP labor."
224 posted on 09/29/2003 10:27:08 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: All
PLEASE REMAIN POLITE ON THESE THREADS. I KNOW IT'S A VEXING ISSUE AND WE ARE RIGHTLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE SUBJECT, BUT PLEASE DON'T CALL NASTY NAMES AND DEFAME OTHERS.

JIM WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PULL THE THREAD IF WE DON'T COOL IT.

PLEASE DON'T JEOPARDIZE THE COUNTERPROTEST INFO BY CALLING ILLEGALS NAMES. THANKS.
225 posted on 09/30/2003 1:19:26 AM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Please do a search on the title and take the time to sign this! Thanks!


Claiming Responsibility for Trashing Rep. Kolbe's Office with Border Intruder Garbage
Petitions Online ^ | staff


Posted on 09/30/2003 1:30 AM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING


Claiming Responsibility for Trashing Rep. Kolbe's Office with Border Intruder Garbage

View Current Signatures - Sign the Petition




To: Rep. Kolbe On the night of Saturday, 27 September 2003, twenty-two bags of garbage were left leaning against the door of Rep. Jim Kolbe's (R-AZ) office in Sierra Vista, Arizona. (See http://www.svherald.com/articles/2003/09/29/news/news1.txt) The garbage was gathered earlier that day from a lay-up site used by illegal aliens as they crossed through Cochise County, Arizona on their way north. The garbage was unsightly, smelly, and prevented access to Congressman Kolbe's office until it was removed. The illegal alien garbage was stuffed into bags provided by Cochise County which are clearly labeled "Cochise County UDA Cleanup". (UDA means "Undocumented Aliens". Sanitation engineers were forced to come and remove the trash and to sanitize the sidewalk upon which the trash sat and the wall and door against which the trash was leaned in order for Rep. Kolbe's office to resume normal operations.

Until now, no one has taken responsibility for this act of protest against Kolbe's failed border policies. No one has come forward to claim credit for this act against the Congressman who is sponsoring a stealth amnesty "guest worker" bill (HR2899) which will lead to even more illegal aliens and thus more illegal alien trash in our desert and backyards. No one has put their name to this act against Kolbe who defies 70% of Arizona citizens when he opposes the Protect Arizona Now Initiative (The Arizona Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act). No one has said, "I did it!" when it comes to this protest against Rep. Kolbe who has, every time, voted against allowing INS and now DHS to request military assistance on the border. No one has stepped forward as the perpetrator of this act against Kolbe who is primarily responsible for the dismantling of the Border Patrol checkpoints on the highways north in Cochise County.

No one has claimed responsibility, until now.

I, the Undersigned, claim responsibility for this act of protest against Rep. Jim Kolbe and his failed border policies.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

View Current Signatures


226 posted on 09/30/2003 1:32:46 AM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Conservatish
Great post. You and your mom did a fine job.

Maybe there will still be an America left for your child to enjoy, if we can get our laws enforced.

227 posted on 09/30/2003 1:44:31 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: *immigrant_list; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; CheneyChick; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; ...
Indiana Counter Protest Report Ping!
228 posted on 09/30/2003 2:45:48 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: *immigrant_list; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; CheneyChick; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; ...
Brand new Freeper Counter Protest Report!
229 posted on 09/30/2003 2:51:43 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: Conservatish
I don't know where to begin with you girlfriend ;)
You got heart, you got gumption and that is what we need for this battle ahead!!! Your Mom sounds like a feisty woman and the both of you remind me so of my Mom, who raised me conservative.

You weren't intimidated, didn't back down and lady your pregnant on top of it! Your baby is lucky to have you for a Mom! Congratulations on your gift of an angel and kudos to you and your Mom for being out there!

We are on the island when we protest but God knows we are doing right! Thanks for the smiles in your report!!!
230 posted on 09/30/2003 3:02:32 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: DumpsterDiver
White House at 800 321-8268 and to Congress at 888 355-3588."

This is great! we re clling daily to get them frustrated and we'll make sure we all call on:

Oct 2 has been designated "National Call-In Day to Support Immigrants' Rights" by the Freedom Riders.

What will the switchboards do getting our influx of calls and faxes! Thank you much Dave. Now all we need is someone here to make a nice pic to put up with your info. Anyone?!

231 posted on 09/30/2003 3:08:18 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: All
Freepers:

This is their Oct.2 Schedule:

National Call-In Day to Support Immigrants' Rights. Urge President Bush and members of Congress to support immigrants' rights. Make you toll-free calls any time on October 2 to the White House at 1-800-321-8268 and to Congress at 1-888-355-3588.

Rally and Picket. 2:30 pm. Join a UNITE picket line with UNITE President Bruce Raynor, supporting workers at Sterling Laundry at the Churchill Hotel, 1914 Connecticut Ave., NW. OR join the Laborers' rally for ACECO workers with Laborers President Terry O'Sullivan at the US Treasury Department at 15th St and Pennsylvania Ave., NW.

March to Support Parking Lot Attendants. 7 pm. Farragut Square (K St., NW between 17th St. and Connecticut Ave., NW). Freedom Riders and community and labor partners will march to support members of HERE Local 27. HERE President John Wilhelm, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, and AFL-CIO Executive Vice President Linda Chavez-Thompson will speak.

We can make our point if we unite on that day!
232 posted on 09/30/2003 3:11:14 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: IcelandicConservative
You can always welcome them home -g-
233 posted on 09/30/2003 3:14:36 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: gpl4eva
Well, eva, they wouldn't make sense to a liberal of course
234 posted on 09/30/2003 3:16:00 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING; All
Thats our busiest day EW ;)

READ Carefully!

For anyone wanting to counter protest today here is the itinerary:

30-Sep
Reading, PA Noon Rally at St. Lukes Church

Malvern, PA 3:30 pm SEIU Local 36 Rally and Press Conference at Liberty Property Trust Headquarters

Philadelphia, PA 6:00 pm Potluck and celebration with community supporters at St. Thomas Aquinas Church in South Philadelphia

Syracuse, NY 11:00 am Arrive at St. Vincent’s DePaul Roman Catholic Church for Interfaith 1:15 pm On to Liverpool

1:30 pm Rally

2:15 pm Buses Depart for Albany, NY

Albany, NY 5:00 pm Arrive for Public Rally at Washington Park

6:30 pm March to United Methodist Church Newburgh, NJ
Morganton, NC 10:00 am Breakfast

11:00 am Buses Depart for Greensboro, NC

Greensboro, NC
Charlotte, NC 10:30 am Arrive at Johnson C. Smith University for Program

1:00 pm Buses Depart for Durham, NC

Durham, NC 5:00 pm Rally at the North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Building

7:00 pm Town Hall Meeting
8:00 pm Dinner
Nashville, TN 7:30 am Buses Depart for Morristown, TN

Morristown, TN 1:00 pm Welcome riders at local park
1:45 pm Lunch and visit with local IWFR supporters at park
3:00 pm Rally at Park

3:30 pm March from park to nearby downtown area and return to park

4:45 pm Buses depart for Roanoke, VA

Wilson, NC 10:00 am Visit to farm labor camps
12 Noon Lunch on front lawn of downtown library

Virginia Beach, VA 6:00 pm Press conference & Dinner
7:00 pm Gather in worship space

7:10 pm Prayer service begins
7:45 pm Speakers from Freedom Ride
8:05 pm Witness speaker from Eastern Shore
8:15 pm Speaker from local Hispanic community regarding the DMV Issue

Columbus, OH 7:10 am Buses depart for breakfast program
7:30 am Breakfast and Program at the Columbus Department of Health

10:00 am On to Justice for Janitors / SEIU site for support rally

11:00 am Buses depart for Charleston, WV and Baltimore, MD

Baltimore, MD 7:30 pm Dinner and Welcome at St. Peter Claver Parish; Fr. Charles Hall School Facility

Louisville, KY 7:45 am Buses Depart for Shelbyville, KY
Shelbyville, KY 8:30 am Breakfast at Centro Latino & tour of INS raid sites

Pittsburgh, PA 6:00 pm Dinner at Hill House, March to Freedom Corner and program with speakers at St. Benedict de Moor Church


235 posted on 09/30/2003 3:20:29 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: Missouri; All
I'd like everyone to also read Freeper NewRomeTacitus Anti=Protest report from Tennessee:

Freeper Attends Immigrant Worker Freedom Ride Rally in Nashville (Vanity Report from Enemy Lines

236 posted on 09/30/2003 3:23:48 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
It at least got attention to this issue didn't it. I think the other Congress Critter's should be sent this article.
237 posted on 09/30/2003 3:28:39 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I did search petitions online and could not find it, can you post the link EW?
238 posted on 09/30/2003 3:39:49 AM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: Conservatish
Great, well-written post. Thanks to both you and your mother for all your efforts on behalf of our country. Here's a big BUMP!
239 posted on 09/30/2003 5:16:45 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: JustPiper
Oct 2 has been designated "National Call-In Day to Support Immigrants' Rights" by the Freedom Riders. They ask supporters to "Urge President Bush and members of Congress to support immigrants' rights. Make your toll-free calls any time on October 2 to the White House at 800 321-8268 and to Congress at 888 355-3588."

HINT.. most pay phones will dial a toll free number, no charge...

240 posted on 09/30/2003 5:18:24 AM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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