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Daily Thread: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) ^ | Sept. 27, 2003 | staff

Posted on 09/27/2003 4:45:44 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING

Title: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest Source: Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/html/activism.html Published: Sep 25, 2003 Author: staff

Beginning Sept. 28th thru Oct. 4th, many of us will be joining groups from across the country to counter the Illegal Immigrants Freedom Ride to DC. We will be using toll free phone numbers (that we pay for) to blitz the Senate, House and the Whitehouse on behalf of the hardworking citizens of the United States....the taxpayers.

Phone Nos.:

Senate and House: 1-800-648-3516

(When answered, just ask to be connected to a specific Senator or Rep)

Republican Nat'l Committee: 1-202-863-8500 (not toll free)

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414 (voice)

WH fax: 202-456-2461

Comment Line: 202-456-6213

Please join us. NUMBERS MATTER! It's our only hope to keep our politicians in line on this issue. We did it once early in the Bush Administration when he first pushed amnesty for illegals. It was a success! But we need you now to counter the Illegal's demand for "rights."

Please give us some time, if only to call your own Senators and Representatives to protest this invasion. And please consider calling as many of them as you can! In coming days I'll be posting links to the current incumbents, as well as a list of key sponsors of Pro-Illegal bills before the House and Senate.

Click on the above URL for a cram course on the Illegal Invasion.

The following are frequently asked questions to be used as talking points. Please print a copy to use in the event you actually get a "human being" to talk to! :0)

Frequently Asked Questions About Immigration Policy and Its Effects

How many immigrants come to the U.S.?

In 2001, more than one million immigrants were admitted to the United States. Additionally, about 500,000 entered illegally. This is nearly four times as many immigrants as we were receiving only 30 years ago.

Where are immigrants to the U.S. coming from?

About 20 percent come from Mexico. India, China, and the Philippines each send between five to seven percent. The following countries each send between two and three percent of our immigrants: Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, Haiti, Bosnia, Canada, the Dominican Republic, Ukraine, Korea, Russia, and Nicaragua. Together, these top 15 sending countries account for about 60 percent of all immigration to the U.S. The remaining 40 percent is composed of very small shares from a large number of other countries.

Who is able to immigrate?

Most immigration (almost two-thirds) is sponsored by family members in this country who most often immigrated themselves and are now legal permanent residents or have become U.S. citizens. Smaller shares of admissions (about one-sixth) go to workers (and their families) whom employers say they need to complement the native workforce, and to refugees and asylees (about one-tenth). In addition, about one out of every 25 admissions visas is given away by lottery.

Who is responsible for U.S. immigration policy?

As a sovereign state, the United States has the right and responsibility to regulate the permanent and temporary admissions of non-citizens. This authority is vested in the Congress, which makes the laws that determine the basis on which visas are authorized (although refugee admissions are proposed annually by the President for concurrance by the Congress). The regulations that promulgate those laws are developed and administered by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) a division of the Department of Justice (DOJ). Within the INS, there are the Border Patrol, which monitors the borders against illegal entry; the INS Inspectors, who monitor people entering the U.S. at ports of entry such as airports; INS Investigators, who track down violators of immigration law; and immigration judges (appointed by the Attorney General), who hear cases on violations of immigration law and regulation. Independent from the INS but still within in the DOJ, there is a Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) administered by the Executive Office for Immigration Review; the BIA hears appeals of decisions by the immigration judges.

Is immigration different now than it used to be?

Immigration is much higher now than it has historically been. Through most of our country's history (more than 180 years), we took in fewer than 500,000 immigrants a year; for more than 135 of those years, it was fewer than 300,000 immigrants. In 2001, our country admitted 1,064,318 legal immigrants, as well as an estimated additional 500,000 illegal immigrants. Only seven years in our entire history have had as many immigrants as we received in 2001.

Why should we reduce immigration?

Because so many of today's immigrants are low-skilled, mass immigration brings competition for entry-level jobs, harming American low-skilled workers. Because most of today's immigrants are poor, they are a drain on our fiscal resources and our economy. Because immigrants are being admitted faster they assimilate, mass immigration is causing social strain and strife among different groups. And because immigration is the source of most population growth in the U.S., it strains the environment and our natural resources.

How many immigrants should we have?

FAIR believes we should strive for a system in which continuing immigration does not add to our population size. That would mean admitting between 200,000 and 300,000 immigrants a year. This would allow us to maximize the positive effects of immigration without overwhelming our environment, schools, social services, and other institutions. It would also contribute to U.S. population stability over the long-term.

Answers to Tough Questions

Arguments you will hear…and the replies to have ready!

“Immigration is a big part of American tradition and national character. We are a nation of immigrants. ”

The fact is, immigration levels today are far higher than traditional levels; in the mid 1950s, our immigration was less than one-third what it is today. Also, the U.S. today is a very different country than in years past. We’re now a fully populated nation of almost 290 million people, not the sparsely settled territory of 150 years ago. Today we’re concerned about limiting sprawl, overcrowding, and environmental stress. Yet, if today’s rate of immigration is continued, it will add nearly 150 million people to our population over the next 80 years. How will that help achieve a single U.S. objective? Will it decrease traffic and other forms of congestion, improve water tables, decrease school overcrowding, cut oil consumption, reduce housing costs? Not one single domestic objective of our nation is being facilitated by today’s mass migration.

“Immigration has been good for us in the past and has made our nation great.”

Immigration in the past did bring benefits--in the past, the U.S. needed large numbers of people to settle the frontiers, cut forests, build railroads, mine gold, and much more. Today’s priorities are preserving our remaining wilderness areas, conserving our natural resources, and ensuring a better quality of life for future generations.

Furthermore, immigration in the past has been quite limited. History shows us that immigration at high levels is not beneficial, which is why the country cut back immigration after the brief Ellis Island period. In the past, we have successfully absorbed and assimilated immigrants because we have periodically halted immigration.

“Throughout our history, people have always attacked immigration and they have always been wrong.”

While people have opposed immigration for a variety of motives over the years, Americans have always had legitimate concerns about immigration and its effects on our population, economy, and society. While we have coped successfully with some of these concerns in the past, that is largely because mass immigration to this country was stopped, not because the concerns were unfounded.

“Immigration is less of a problem today because immigrants comprise a smaller share of our overall population than ever before.”

Quite the opposite is true. When there were fewer people in this country, there was more room and opportunity for immigrants. Now, in a country already stuffed with well over a quarter of a billion people, adding another million through immigration every year is much more of a problem. The more people we have in our country, the fewer immigrants can be added without unwanted consequences.

“Opposition to high immigration is rooted in racism.”

There are always people who support the right idea for the wrong reasons--but that doesn’t make the idea itself wrong. None of this changes the fact that bringing a million additional people from other countries into this one is disruptive to our economy, our society, and our environment. We condemn racism. But we also condemn the use of terms such as “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” or “xenophobe” as they are used to try to stifle open, honest discussion of how our immigration policy is impacting the country.

“Immigrants are a driving force behind our economy, performing jobs that Americans won’t do.”

There are no jobs Americans won’t do, only conditions and wages that are unacceptable. The employers who have become economically dependent on immigrants for cheap labor use this argument to justify virtual indentured servitude and then try to shame Americans into accepting it. Job competition by waves of new immigrants depresses the wages and salaries of American workers and hits hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

“Immigrants don’t take jobs from Americans, they create more jobs.”

Actually, both are true. But many of those jobs created are jobs in providing services to immigrants. Other jobs that immigrants create are generally low-skilled and mostly go to other other immigrants anyway. This doesn’t really benefit Americans at all; it simply creates distortions in the economy, generally away from the high-skills, high-education, high-wage economy most Americans support. And it doesn’t in any way address the increased burdens on our schools, environment, social services, and natural resources that bringing in so many additional people causes.

“We live in a global economy and must have foreign workers to compete in the world market.”

Very little immigration is of skilled personnel. Besides, it is precisely because of advances in global communications that we do not have to allow people to move to the U.S. to take advantage of their talents and benefit from their contributions.

“Immigrants are a net benefit, because they pay taxes and contribute more to our society than they cost.”

The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. A calculation to the contrary works only if you discount the programs used by the immigrants’ children, refugees and asylees, immigrants who aren’t of working age, illegal immigrants working “off the books,” and immigrants from certain countries.

This argument also ignores the impact of sacrificing farmland and forests to roads and housing developments, increasing congestion to the point that people spend more time in traffic than at home with their families, and raising the burden on our already strained water supply and other natural resources.

“A country as big as America has room for lots more people.”

A country isn’t a big box that you stuff as many people in as possible. It’s a society supported by an environment, and the question isn’t how many people can physically fit in it, but how many people the society wants and the environment can support. Many of the “wide open spaces ” in the U.S. are inhospitable deserts or mountains, or are already used as farmland to raise food to support the population living on the coasts and to export to feed people in other countries.

“Immigrants catch up quickly economically and soon blend into American society.”

There is increasing evidence of groups of immigrants who are trapped in depressed inner cities, and their children similarly find themselves unable to escape poverty. Today more than 21 million people in our country say that they speak English less than very well. Besides, the hub of the problem is not the rate at which immigrants are assimilating, it’s the rate at which we are admitting them. As long as we have mass immigration, the bulk of unassimilated people in our culture will grow, causing social tension and conflict.

“Illegal immigration is the only real problem, not legal immigration.”

The distinction between legal and illegal immigrants is increasingly blurred by programs such as the amnesty in 1986 that gave legal status to nearly three million illegal residents and provisions that allow illegal immigrants to become legal residents if they marry someone legally here, i.e., Section 245(i). There is little difference between the societal effects from illegal immigrants and from those who were amnestied (and the same is true to a large extent for family members sponsored by former illegal aliens).

“We have a humanitarian obligation to take in struggling people from other countries.”

We can’t solve the world’s problems by importing a tiny fraction of the millions who would like to come here. Instead, we should solve problems where people live and help them turn their countries into places that people aren’t driven to leave. But although the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees says that foreign aid and assistance is best utilized when the resources are spent on alleviating problems at their source, the U.S. channels a large share of its refugee resources on the transportation, language training, cultural adaptation, and assistance grants to refugees resettled in the United States that could benefit many more refugees if expended on temporary shelter and sustenance at refugee facilities near the refugees’ homeland and in the refugees’ eventual return to their homes.

It should be noted, however, that the United States admits as refugees many persons who are not true refugees under the United Nations’ standard, e.g. people from Cuba who do not qualify for asylum in this country.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters
KEYWORDS: alien; bus; fair; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform
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To: Pokey78; unspun; MightyMouseToSaveThe Day; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; Kathy in Alaska; ...
Please forgive me if you get double pinged, but we need all the help we can get for volunteering and our eventual busride to DC!
161 posted on 09/28/2003 10:39:35 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: vikingcelt
this is EXACTLY what our government wants

Yes, but the question is why?

162 posted on 09/28/2003 10:40:47 PM PDT by Fraulein (TCB)
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To: prisoner6; Steve Eisenberg; Andy from Beaverton; etcetera; A_perfect_lady; Courier; cgk; ...
Please forgive me if you get double pinged, but we need all the help we can get for volunteering and our eventual busride to DC!
163 posted on 09/28/2003 10:41:26 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: gpl4eva
bttt
164 posted on 09/28/2003 10:41:51 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Paul Atreides; Marine Inspector; Tancredo Fan; Sabertooth; Coleus; TxBec; kellynla; fatima; ...
Please forgive me if you get double pinged, but we need all the help we can get for volunteering and our eventual busride to DC!
165 posted on 09/28/2003 10:45:04 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: Otta B Sleepin; andysandmikesmom; patton; Erasmus; Travis McGee; muggs; Johnny Gage; bentfeather; ..
If you've been pinged please forgive me.
166 posted on 09/28/2003 10:47:24 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I got an email about this from Rock The Vote encouraging people to support it. That tells me I should definitely be against it before even knowing details. LOL If you go to the IWFR website, you can view a flyer where they are trying to get Unions legalized for "immigrants" saying that "immigrants" frequently get threatened by employers saying they will call INS if they try to form a union and they think they have a right to form one anyway. The way it sounds, they want unions for illegals.
167 posted on 09/28/2003 10:51:34 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I would like to add these:

Federation for American Immigration Reform
1666 Connecticut Avenue, NW • Suite 400 • Washington, DC 20009
202-328-7004 • 202-387-3447 (fax) • fair@fairus.org • www.fairus.org

www.numbersusa.com (free faxes)

Roger Cressey and Gayle Smith THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Senator Dennis Hollingsworth of the Republican Legislative Caucus

Dick Montjoy, past Assemblyman and State Senator or his son, currently an Assemblyman. I assume that he will be promoting the same petition that CRA is going to circulate, Dick is a member of CRA (or was) and I assume that his son is also. They are both rock solid conservatives.


168 posted on 09/28/2003 10:53:52 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
God Bless You EW! My talking points:

* The Constitution of the United States
Article IV, Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Stop I.D. cards that give illegal immigrants the privileges of citizenship.

STOP letting Mexican government officials pass out illegal I.D. cards to illegal immigrants.(Matricular Consular Cards)

Fix our border, fix the problem, and quit making excuses, Washington.

These cards really nothing more than a get-out-of-jail-free card for illegal immigrants?
(two million of them)

NO Amnesty in Congress (5 mil)

If you agree you agree with Congressman Tancredo the one way to stop the flood of illegal immigrants would be by sending troops to the U.S. border, instead of passing out these I.D. cards to illegals

Come in LEGALLY thru immigration!

Please co-sponsor and support this effort to protect our security and the integrity of our ballot boxes - re: any bills regarding this issue that pass their desks!

Congress should deny any federal funds to cities which have so-called "Sanctuary Ordinances". These ordinaces forbid police officers from inquiring about a suspect's immigration status. If police officers do discover that a suspect is an illegal, the ordinance prevents local law enforcement from informing the INS about the suspect. "Sanctuary Ordinances" undermine our Federal immigration laws.

I'll use them, different ones to break the boredom ;)


169 posted on 09/28/2003 10:59:04 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: JustPiper
Bump....
170 posted on 09/28/2003 11:00:23 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Will start leaving messages righty now buddee and make the calls also during the week. What about the 1-800 #?
171 posted on 09/28/2003 11:00:40 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: honeygrl
Just to clarify. I got the email from RTV saying to support the IWFR, which is what I do not support. I fully support the counter protests.
172 posted on 09/28/2003 11:01:56 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: honeygrl
They already have AFL-CIO, ACORN funded this damn busride...they are out for our blood I tellya!
173 posted on 09/28/2003 11:05:48 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: JustPiper
It won't be alot, but where can I send a check? paypal account?
174 posted on 09/28/2003 11:09:49 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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To: All
Urge your elected officials to oppose H.R.2899 and
S.1461!

Representatives Jim Kolbe (R-AZ) and Jeff
Flake (R-AZ) and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) introduced
their companion guestworker amnesty bills, H.R. 2899 and
S. 1461, the Border Security and Immigration Improvement
Act.

Build Support for Tancredo Moratorium Bill - H.R. 946

California Senate Considering Widespread Acceptance of
Mexican Matricula Consular as Valid ID
Urge Committee Members to Oppose AB 522

Norwood Introduces CLEAR Act, Legislation to Promote
State and Local Law Enforcement of Immigration Law
Help Build Support for H.R. 2671

H.R. 2671 would protect homeland security by giving
state and local law enforcement agencies the authority
and resources needed to detain criminal and illegal
aliens within the course of their regular duties.

Cornyn Introduces Guestworker Amnesty Bill
Contact Your Senators and Urge them to Oppose S. 1387
S. 1387 is a rolling amnesty program for illegal aliens
and the employers who violate federal employment law by
hiring them

Stop Montgomery County, MD Council Approval of Foreign
Consular Identification Cards

S.1545 The Dream Act
S.8 Educational Excellence for All Learners Act
of 2003
H.R.2235 Emergency Immigration Workload Reduction
and Homeland Security Enhancement Act of 2003
H.R.1684 The Student Adjustment Act of 2003
H.R.1567 Citizenship Reform Act of 2003
H.R.1121 Drivers’ License Integrity Act of 2003
H.R.946 Mass Immigration Reduction Act of 2003
H.R.775 Security and Fairness Enhancement for
America Act of 2003
H.R.687 The Identification Integrity Act of 2003
H.R.655 Legislation to Limit the Duration of
State-Issued Driver's Licenses for Foreign
Nationals
H.R.502 Legislation to Restrict the Acceptance of
Foreign Issued Documents
H.R.85 Section 245(i) Extension Bill
H.R.84 Preserving Educational Opportunities for
Immigrant Children Act of 2003
H.R.82 Increase in Numerical Limitation for
Asylees Adjustment Act of 2003
H.J.RES.44 Citizenship Reform Amendment
Tancredo of Colorado Amendment; Commerce, Justice,
State, the Judiciary Appropriations FY 2004
Tancredo of Colorado Amendment; Department of
Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2004

175 posted on 09/28/2003 11:22:44 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: Pro-Bush
M, hold on to your $$$, we are a long way from taking contributions, because we will try to get as much as possible donated. Thank you, your a dear heart! But I want you on that ride, so start saving ;) M
176 posted on 09/28/2003 11:24:20 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: JustPiper
Also I end every call with:

We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!
177 posted on 09/28/2003 11:27:03 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: JustPiper
I'll use them, different ones to break the boredom ;)

Excellent points, JP! I'll borrow them tomorrow! So much info...so little time. LOL It's really difficult to pick out just a few!

The 800 nos work. The WhiteHouse comment line is only M-F, 9-5. Cornyn doesn't allow you to leave a message, so I'll just have to call him on my lunch hour! He has an amnesty bill before the Senate.

Now I REALLY have to get some sleep. We're having a Halloween block party here so in between phone calls, I was dealing with meetings for that! LOL I didn't get as many called as I would have liked. But I made myself a promise to keep at the list. I'll call the entire Senate and House...it might take awhile, but they'll hear from me if I have to be up Christmas Eve dialing! :0)
178 posted on 09/28/2003 11:30:33 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
bttt
179 posted on 09/28/2003 11:49:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
LOL at calling till Xmas! Don't forget we must begin to plan OUR busride ;) My local dim Sen. Durbin also does not take messages, but I got to leave lengthy messages for Crapo & Craig. Those operators must think we're nuts and wonder what is going on! Left Durbin email and will call his local office here too!

Freeper's if you can't get to leave a message for your critter's call their local numbers!

Got to sleep EW!!! Night ;)I work nights.
180 posted on 09/28/2003 11:57:48 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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