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IS IT TIME FOR AN "ARNOLD-TOM WIN/WIN DEAL" (?) OK. THEN HERE'S HOW....
Free Republic site ^ | 27 September 2003 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 09/26/2003 2:54:23 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo

[Opinion. Open for Discussion.]

The vitriol and passion are reaching unparalleled heights.

Arnold Schwarzenegger feels he is close to an October 7th victory and that a knockout punch of both Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante is within tantalizing reach.

Were it all not for one jagged pebble in his hiking boot. State Senator Tom McClintock.

Both sides are polarized, even here and especially here, on Free Republic. And for damned good reason.

One side, comprised of so-called "RINOs", (moderate-centrists), later joined by pragmatic conservatives who see the paramount need to dethrone the irresponsible and dangerous Socialist Democrat regime in Sacramento, have dug in their heels in for a pitched battle against their new nemesis: the ranks of conservatives of principle who strongly support the continuation of their choice, Senator Tom McClintock, in order to prevent a sellout of the state of California to centrist or moderate political policies down the road.

OK. "Let's Make a Deal".


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To: ElkGroveDan
You're attacking this guy now? He has been one of your most loyal, and reasonable, voices! Dang it, man, he started this with an air of reconciliation.
181 posted on 09/26/2003 6:00:39 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: cake_crumb
NO! You are not paying attention.

At times I feel I'm paying too much attention! : )

182 posted on 09/26/2003 6:01:01 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: cake_crumb
Oh, c'mon. That is too broad brush a buncha accusations

Perhaps, I took this as being a rationalization of (R)nold's future betrayals.

Yes, it's possible people will be stupid enough to expect him to fix Grey's economic messes overnight, and get very angry when in real life he can't. In fact, they will do exactly the same thing to McClintock because HE cannot fix the mess overnight.

Using the word "stupid" was the trigger. Perhaps you didn't mean to say (R)nold gets a year to do whatever he wants, perhaps not. I guess only you know.

183 posted on 09/26/2003 6:02:24 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (That's pre-election bogus, Arnold Schwarzenegger.)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
The people's representitive of LA is spreading deceit and humiliation of Ronald Reagan. Do not let him anger you!
184 posted on 09/26/2003 6:04:23 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Some of those agreements (specifically #3 and #4) would have to be made in private, or else the press would be on the "scandal" from that moment through the election as their main story. And private promises aren't terribly compelling.

The main way to get these two to come together is for Arnold to move to the right and endorse some key McClintock positions. That is neither likely, nor necessarily compelling. But it really is the only way. Schwarzeneger's problem with McClintock and his supporters isn't about power or personalities. It's about staking out his political agenda too far to the left to attract all the conservative base.

185 posted on 09/26/2003 6:05:00 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: EternalVigilance
You only agree because it is divisive.
186 posted on 09/26/2003 6:05:56 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: ElkGroveDan
You are insulting all FReepers.
187 posted on 09/26/2003 6:07:21 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: BearArms
A more sophisticated approach for social conservatives would be to cut deals with moderate Republican candidates and move their agenda item by item.

That has worked really well so far. Bear that is a real knee slapper.

188 posted on 09/26/2003 6:07:48 PM PDT by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is evil still...Alan Keyes)
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To: Common Tator
The RIGHT VOTES on ideology.. NOT THE MAN. GOT THAT? .... I don't think you Do. Perhaps election day will convince you.

Aww shucks. I was snippy with you on a tech thread yesterday, and here you go making me agree with you on a political thread today. I hereby recind yesterday's snippiness. You're absolutely correct on this one.

189 posted on 09/26/2003 6:08:14 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: tophat9000
That was insulting, rise above it!
190 posted on 09/26/2003 6:08:20 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: Saundra Duffy
What about crapping?
191 posted on 09/26/2003 6:08:52 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: 68 grunt
Have I told you that I am ignoring on this thread too? I keep forgetting with all the spam you try on multiple threads. God you're sad! HA HA HA.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/988462/posts?page=144#144
192 posted on 09/26/2003 6:10:25 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (That's pre-election bogus, Arnold Schwarzenegger.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
McC can endorse S. S and McC can both call on S to resign as Lt.-Gov. when he loses the replacement election. If B resigns, S appoints McC as Lt.-Gov. If B refuses to resign, new Gov. S moves him to a new "office" in the executive washroom, and by executive order gives all the functions that the Lt-Gov. would otherwise perform, to McC in the Lt.-Gov's office.

No wonder "political cynicism" is a prevailing factor in elections anymore! l

193 posted on 09/26/2003 6:14:14 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EternalVigilance
Here's one I think bares repeating;

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/950954/posts?page=22#22
194 posted on 09/26/2003 6:14:49 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: EGPWS
"At times I feel I'm paying too much attention! : )"

I know how you feel. I've been paying so much attention to the recall that I totally forgot about the Ten Little Idiots' "debate". In fact, I've been spending all day, every day the past week concentrating on the recall, which I should not be doing. Before that, I manged to spend a few hours a day on other things, but it's been getting progressively worse.

By October 9th or 10th, we're all gonna be suffereng from an extreme case of post election let down.

195 posted on 09/26/2003 6:14:55 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
"Using the word "stupid" was the trigger"

I was thinking about the public in general after there has been a year of "maybe we were better off with Davis" hype to make them forget why so many millions from both sides of the aisle are recalling him to begin with.

I MEANT that no policy, no matter how sound, will have immediate results, and the media will crucify whichever Republican is in office BECAUSE it didn't get immediate results. Sure it's stupid, but look at the media successes of the past 13 years.

To any of the left, all Republicans are the enemy and must be destroyed, because the public MUST be assimilated into the collective.

It'll happen, if EITHER Arnold or Tom win, trust me.

196 posted on 09/26/2003 6:21:08 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: My dog Sam
I'm a strong 2nd Ammendment proponent as well, except it is 2nd on my list of issues. No new taxes is #1. Lets not cut off our noses just to spite our face whether the 2nd Ammendment is 1st or 2nd you your list.
197 posted on 09/26/2003 6:27:18 PM PDT by scannell
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To: My dog Sam; AmericanInTokyo
To: AmericanInTokyo

If it is so important to you that a Republican win this recall, then why don't you give on your principles and vote for Tom?

eh????

It is totally irrelevant if 100% of the GOP vote goes to Schwarzenegger or if 100% of the GOP vote goes to McClintock unless they also get a significant percentage of non-GOP vote. Without that non-GOP vote, both of the GOP candidates would lose in today's California.

Schwarzenegger has the ability to woo that non-GOP vote. McClintock does not. Therefore, the political facts of life are that Schwarzenegger has a good chance of winning and McClintock has zero chance.

The question you should be asking yourself is, "Who can do the most damage to those principles that I hold dear? Schwarzenegger or Bustamante?"

If the answer Schwarzenegger, then your present position makes sence.

If the answer is Bustamante, you might want to re-think the consequences of your position.

198 posted on 09/26/2003 6:28:50 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: ElkGroveDan
Given your experiences, I can understand your reluctance to support Schwarzenegger.

Please accept my apologies for any slur I may have made against you. It would be difficult for any person to live through what you have without developing a serious antipathy for the so-called RINO.

Which I am NOT, by the way.

I suspect that for you, Schwarzenegger's embrace of Wilson and Wilson's advisers put you beyond further compromise.

You have to be true to yourself.

Best regards, and apologies to you.
199 posted on 09/26/2003 6:30:37 PM PDT by John Valentine (In Seoul, and keeping one eye on the hills to the North...)
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To: Polybius
Arnold further has the popularity and presence to bypass the legislature and take his case to the voter.

McClintock has been short in the diplomacy department. However, he can improve. I seriously dooubt he wants to retire at a young age, and he has much to offer...it's getting support for the offers he's selling he has trouble with, especially in todays political climate in CA. In FACT, he IS showing some improvement. His numbers appear to have jumped (good job, a little stilted at times, but excellent job getting the message out) since the debate, and he DIDN'T even have to attack his fellow GOP member. Hope he learns from that.

200 posted on 09/26/2003 6:35:49 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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