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"Sexually Inclusive Christians" Celebrate Victories, Push for More
Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | Mark Tooley

Posted on 08/30/2003 5:48:16 PM PDT by xzins

"Sexually Inclusive Christians" Celebrate Victories, Push for More

Mark Tooley August 22, 2003

When arguing for church acceptance of homosexuality, most advocates talk about monogamy. But others are bolder.

“I am a strong ally of those in healthy, polyamorous relationships,” declared Debra Kolodny. She argued that having multiple sexual partners can be “holy.” Kolodyn was leading a workshop at the WOW (Witness Our Welcome) 2003 convention, an ecumenical gathering for “sexually and gender inclusive Christians.”

Hundreds of homosexual, bisexual, and heterosexual people gathered under the “queer” banner in Philadelphia August 14-17 to urge religious acceptance of non-traditional sexual behaviors.

According to WOW’s schedule brochure, it was sponsored by the homosexual caucus groups in most mainline Protestant denominations and Dignity USA (for Roman Catholics). Other supporting groups listed in the program included People for the American Way, the Human Rights Campaign, McCormick Theological Seminary (Presbyterian), Episcopal Divinity School, Chicago Theological Seminary (United Church of Christ), and Wesley Theological Seminary (United Methodist).

According to the president of Wesley seminary, Wesley paid a fee for a table with promotional material at WOW 2003. But Wesley did not endorse or give financial support to WOW beyond this fee.

Kolodny, an author and former national coordinator for The National Bisexual Network, was leading a workshop called “Blessed Bi Spirit: Bisexual People of Faith.” Although focusing mostly on bisexuality, Kolodny, who is Jewish, explained that she could not conclude the session without discussing polyamory.

“There can be fidelity in threesomes,” Kolodny said. “It can be just as sanctified as anything else if all parties are agreed.” But she was careful to stress that polyamory is unacceptable “if there is deceit.”

Kolodny said polyamory does not usually involve simultaneous group sex. But there are exceptions, she admitted, as she recalled a friend of hers who shares a bed with his wife and male partner. When asked by a workshop participant how polyamory was different from “recreational sex,” Kolodny responded that consensual recreational sex could be a part of polyamory. But polyamory usually involves some level of commitment and intimacy.

Noting she herself had never been polyamorous, Kolodny explained that as a busy attorney she simply did not have time to conduct the complicated “negotiations” necessary for “holy” polyamory. But she expressed admiration for persons with the time to organize.

Most of Kolodny’s talk was about bisexuality, not polyamory. “I disagree with the queer movement [when it claims] that sexual orientation is predetermined,” Kolodny said, asserting that the existence of bisexuality “challenges all that.”

“I know a lot of women who chose to become lesbian,” Kolodny said. “Love between two people is always beautiful,” she added, and should be regarded as part of free choice.

“I’m not sure we can make the case for genetic predetermination,” Kolodny stressed, saying sexual preference depends on opportunity, support, and spiritual experiences.

Kolodny lamented that the “queer” movement insists on the “party line” of genetic predetermination as part of a “political strategy.”

“The queer movement relies on, ‘We can’t help it. We’re born this way,’ Kolodny said. “It feels so safe. If you don’t say it you’re thrown to the lions and you’re evil.”

She contrasted the insistence on genetic predetermination with the teachings of Judaism and Christianity, which say: “God gives us choices.”

“Free will is essential to our humanity and essential to our being created in the image of God,” Kolodny said. She charged that denying free choice in sex preference was “perpetuating the hetero-patriarchy,” helping the “radical right,” ignoring bisexuality, and making it easier for “hate” to continue.

Rather than creating “absolute poles” of sexual preference, Kolodny said the world includes a wide spectrum of choices. She recalled the hostility of her “dyke” friends when she abandoned her strict lesbianism for bisexuality. Many homosexuals suspect bisexuals of trying to gain the “privileges” of the hetero-patriarchy by seeking sexual partners of the opposite gender.

Another workshop leader who addressed a sexual minority sometimes forgotten by the “queer” movement was the Rev. Erin Swenson, formerly Eric. Swenson is a Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) minister and family counselor whose sex change operation made Swenson the first post-operative transsexual minister in a major denomination.

Swenson was married with children. But after suffering for years from a desire to be a woman, Swenson finally divorced and had the operation. “I don’t recommend that any one become transgender,” Swenson said. “It’s a very painful process.”

“Some people accuse me of not being a woman,” Swenson complained, citing “ultra-feminists.” Swenson prefers being called simply “Erin and a child of God” to any label. “High heels are very uncomfortable,” Swenson playfully admitted.

“Transgender people won’t come to your church unless they truly know they are safe there,” Swenson warned. Even ostensibly “gay” friendly congregations are sometimes not prepared for transgender people. “Get your church to be trans friendly,” Swenson urged. One need is for bathrooms not marked male or female.

Swenson described the United Church of Christ as “miles ahead of anybody” in making itself open to transgender people. The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), in contrast, declined Swenson’s offer to volunteer in the creation of church resource materials for transgender church members.

“Transgendered people threaten communities because they threaten our assumptions,” Swenson concluded. “It is threatening but also freeing.”

Leading a workshop on “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Questioning Issues in the Roman Catholic Church,” Mary Louise Cervone complained that tolerance rather than justice” is the norm in America today. A former president of Dignity USA, Cervone, with her same-sex partner at her side, wondered how many “nameless men and women” must die before this country moves beyond tolerance to freedom for all people.

“Our best hope for change rests not with bishops and the pope but with Catholic people,” Cervone insisted. “Change won’t come form the top down. The Catholic people must demand freedom.

Cervone affirmed her lesbianism as a “gift of God.” She confessed she has a hard time attending the Catholic Church, because the “church is not where we find freedom. It’s where we go to hide.”

“But you can’t kick me out,” Cervone declared defiantly. “Where in religion did we get the idea that some people are more worthy than others?” she wondered.

The Rev. Jorge Lockwood, who is Global Praise Coordinator for the United Methodist Church’s Board of Global Ministries, led a workshop called “Redeeming Our Bodies, Congregational Song as a Path of Liberation.”

“As queer people, we have another way of looking at the body,” Lockwood said. He complained that churches too often are uncomfortable with the human body and suffer from “liturgical constipation.” He observed that too often people think the “desire of a 25 year old gay man for another 25 year old man is a beautiful thing,” but the desire of a 65 year old for a 25 year is “dirty.”

“We have all learned to challenge Romans,” said the Rev. Mari Castellanos, referring to St. Paul’s letter that, among other Scriptures, is critical of homosexual behavior. Castellanos leads the Justice and Witness Ministries of the United Church of Christ. “We must do likewise with all texts that go against our brothers and sisters that are being claimed as the unerring Word of God.”

But Castellanos also urged the WOW 2003 audience to embrace “justice” issues beyond their own. “When we leave this earth, queer bishops won’t matter as much as whether the hungry are fed,” she insisted, to applause.

“This president and this Congress have systematically torn down the social net that sustained all of us,” Castellanos mourned. “We must lobby our government on behalf of the poor of the world. Our experience of exile has taught us compassion.”

Castellanos promised that “we will take on scary proposals such as the Marriage Protection Act. We will turn the tide that threatens to obliterate the social contract.” Echoing the name of a radical homosexual group, she insisted: “We must continue to act-up!”

Rev. Yvette Flunder, a United Church of Christ pastor from San Francisco, celebrated a string of political victories for pro-homosexuality advocates, including the election of an Episcopal Church homosexual bishop, the arrival of legalized same-sex unions in Canada, and the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling against anti-sodomy laws.

“The Holy Ghost can break loose in an atmosphere of injustice and give us more justice in three weeks than many years!” Flunder enthused. “These wouldn’t have been miracles under Bill Clinton!” she exclaimed, citing the irony of pro-homosexuality strides under a conservative government.

The Rev. Troy Perry, founder of the predominantly homosexual Metropolitan Community Churches, asked all the heterosexuals at WOW 2003 to stand and receive applause. “Thank you!!... I know what people do to you,” he told them, saying they pay a price for solidarity with homosexuals.

Perry said he “just got married” to his male partner of 18 years, who has had AIDS for several years. He likened the plight of homosexuals who cannot legally marry to slaves who also had no legal right to marriage.

“I will not give up until every one of us can marry,” Perry insisted, comparing Heaven to attending the WOW 2003 conference.

A brief skit produced for the WOW 2003 audience showed three troubled disciples in a storm-tossed boat. One, a young woman, declares: “I am bisexual and can’t find acceptance in the gay community.” A man says, “I am a 19 year old gay. Or am I queer? And I’m Presbyterian. But I’m not sure what that means!” A third person complains she is age 22 but cannot “find a voice” in the gay community.

Then a figure representing Jesus appears, played by a young woman wrapped in the rainbow flag, which is the emblem of the homosexual movement. “Take heart, it is I,” she says. “Do not be afraid.”


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To: Paul Atreides
"I quoted Biblical scripture against homosexuality."

Don't look now, but I predict it will be against the law to even preach the book of Romans in churches in America concerning the damnation of homosexuality.

It is already against the law to preach against homosexuality in Canada!!!!

Fact.

101 posted on 08/30/2003 7:46:25 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: xzins
They'll have to start a new religion. Christianity is already 100% anti-homosexuality and will never change.
102 posted on 08/30/2003 7:46:41 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: Zack Nguyen
see #95
103 posted on 08/30/2003 7:47:44 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: unspun
An enemy planted weeds amongst the wheat.
104 posted on 08/30/2003 7:49:05 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: RochesterFan
Libertarian free will used to justify autonomous human behavior. The Creator of the universe finds their behavior to be an abomination. Do they care? No. They create an idol in their own image instead of submitting to the revelation of God.

I think the word you're looking for is libertine, not libertarian. While some libertarians are libertine, and some libertines are libertarians, libertarians are not necessarily libertine or condone immoral behavior. I know what you're trying to say, though, and agree with you. These people are disgusting.
105 posted on 08/30/2003 7:49:09 PM PDT by mugsy
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To: xzins
They did, but there was not really a hierarchy.

Consider the Paul/James rift over the status of gentile converts.
106 posted on 08/30/2003 7:53:28 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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To: Jorge
None is saying anything about Jail:

"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything."

Is this quote wrong? Have not the Homosexuals now that they have normalized their behavior (look at TV, like the MTV awards) began pushing multi partner relationship, and any other relationships not just on society but also on our churches?

Most christians dont care what they do in their own bedroom (aside from feeling sorry they live in sin) but most homosexuals care what we do in our churches..

107 posted on 08/30/2003 7:53:54 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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108 posted on 08/30/2003 7:54:37 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Happy2BMe
We're in post-moral America ... one that can't last long without a national revival that will return to us, as a people, our moral compass

The official state line is that "God" can only be legitimately viewed in the public square as an historic or ficticious character.

One Day He's Coming.

109 posted on 08/30/2003 7:55:20 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
Libertarian Christian is an extremely difficult balance. It's virtually impossible to be consistent, imho.

Which New Testament teaching is inconsistent with libertarian political philosophy? I'm assuming that like many folks, you equate a lack of government coercion with the condoning of a particular behavior. If so, that does not compute.
110 posted on 08/30/2003 7:58:39 PM PDT by mugsy
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To: TheAngryClam
Was it Chap 15 Acts where they came together and issued a joint resolution to the churches?
111 posted on 08/30/2003 7:59:44 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
What about the poor quadro-sexuals? I mean, don't these good church goers care about the feelings of those that love men, women, animals, plants and their Vita-Mix? Oh, the crosses some must bear...
112 posted on 08/30/2003 8:01:20 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: xzins
"The Rev. Troy Perry, founder of the predominantly homosexual Metropolitan Community Churches..."


Sex, torture and erotic electrification in America's 'gay' churches - The Metropolitan Community Church

113 posted on 08/30/2003 8:01:57 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: mugsy
Drugs is an extremely difficult balance.

We can't just say that everyone should be allowed to do what they want.
114 posted on 08/30/2003 8:02:04 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
:>)

Vita-mix..... LOL.
115 posted on 08/30/2003 8:03:14 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
Amen.
116 posted on 08/30/2003 8:03:41 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: xzins
Personally, I do believe in the state legislatures having authority to establish quarantine laws and behavior laws when the issue is individual or public health.
It is a good thing to outlaw prostitution. There's really no significant difference between that and outlawing male to male and female to female sex.

Only problem is that "female to female sex" has a lower incidence of AIDS and other STDs than most other forms of sexual conduct.

So that blows the argument that the legislature has the right to outlaw homosexuality for public health risks.

Let's face it. Americans are not going to put up with a Govt that decides it is going to become the sex police and regulate what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms.

117 posted on 08/30/2003 8:05:46 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Scenic Sounds; Cathryn Crawford
Okay, so now what are we going to do?

Grease up and enjoy it?

Seriously, if we let the pecksniffs make the determination they will make everything but straight sex (no foreplay) in the missionary position in the dark with your clothes on with your legal spouse during a time when conception is likely a sin and preferably a crime.

Face it, most people don't really care. They go to church, or say they do, because they say they believe, but actually, they go because their family always did, or because they are lawyers or doctors or salesmen and want to make business contacts, or want to meet young girls and boys while pretending to teach Sunday School.
If there were more than 10% actual believers in churches today y'all wouldn't have these problems. They would just simply never come up.

SO9

118 posted on 08/30/2003 8:06:02 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: Jorge
Average age of death for those who practice female-to-female sex is 48.

Something is terribly wrong.

However, you miss the point. I didn't say the legislature MUST control these things. I said the legislature SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION of controlling these things WHEN they become a danger.

Just because two adults are behind closed doors doesn't mean there aren't potential problems. Again, prostitution is an excellent example.
119 posted on 08/30/2003 8:12:53 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
That proclivity for behavior that infects partners and spreads disease who knows where is just the reason for controlling sodomy.

While I agree that sodomy is evil, how can we control this deviant behavior? Are we going to send the sodomizers to prison? How are we going to enforce the sodomy laws? Are we going to send out people in black shirts to peep through bedroom windows?

You can't control sodomy. You can only do what we're doing here: remind people that it's a sick, destructive and unnatural behavior.

Sodomizers hurt each other and in rare cases those who have normal sex with them. This is almost always a crime people commit against their own bodies, and therefore the government shouldn't waste its time trying to eradicate this behavior. Government has no business promoting it either. The only time sodomy should be a public issue is when there's coercion involved (e.g. a boy gets anally raped by a priest).
120 posted on 08/30/2003 8:15:39 PM PDT by mugsy
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