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Yeh---like Perry and Dewhurst are going to give the RATS 72 hour notice...
1 posted on 08/27/2003 10:26:45 AM PDT by hoaxbuster1
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Kazen is a rare federal judge, it seems, for he was willing to forego a decision by himself and pass the issue to a higher court. Most federal judges, such as Myron Thompson in AL, can't wait to issue rulings that thwart the freedom of the people.

Yet, Kazen said Perry and Dewhurst should give the Democrats 72 hours notice before calling a third special session.

Clearly this suit seems outside the realm of a federal court.
2 posted on 08/27/2003 10:30:54 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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The judge knows that the Dems have zero case, but he pulls a delaying tactic by trying to pass it on to the 3-judge panel.

Remember, the Dems think that if they can run out the clock a few more weeks, any redistricting plan won't be able to get Justice Dept approval in time to be used in '04.
3 posted on 08/27/2003 10:31:08 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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And the judge has no authority to order it, or he obviously would have. So the Dems got what they said they wanted (a three-judge panel), but not what they really wanted, which was an order that would allow them to come back to Texas without getting arrested. And remember that the 5th Circuit is pretty conservative, so they will probably wind up with 2 Republican appointed judges in addition to the Dem judge already assigned to the case.
5 posted on 08/27/2003 10:32:13 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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I say they slap them with ankle bracelets the moment the DIMS come back in the state.
8 posted on 08/27/2003 10:36:07 AM PDT by hillaryisalesbo
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Somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't the current proposed Texas redistricting map done by another court?
9 posted on 08/27/2003 10:37:51 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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Thanks for posting this. I have been wondering what the RATS were doing. Of course, there is total silence from the national RAT/media about this attempt to thwart democracy.
10 posted on 08/27/2003 10:38:11 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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Several of the Democrats had planned to travel from Albuquerque to the courtroom but changed their minds about midnight because they feared arrest in Texas....

....sources in Austin told the Democrats that the Senate sergeant-at-arms was in position in Laredo to arrest them and because they had heard that several senators had been called back to the Capitol after the Legislature adjourned Tuesday to convene another session.

"There was very clearly a plan to arrest us in Laredo. Now whether that's done by saying senators, come over here, we've got to go to Austin or get in the back of that car, whatever the mechanism was, there was a plan to get us detained," Shapleigh said.

Wow, they seem awfully adept at surviving on the lam....experienced, even.

12 posted on 08/27/2003 10:44:37 AM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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"Surely, he wouldn't be that stupid," Van de Putte said. "That would exactly prove our point (which) is they will trap us, they will do anything whether it's unethical or immoral to try and please partisan Republicans."

What is unethical or immoral about enforcing rules that have been in place for years? These same rules were in place when the Dems were the majority and it didn't seem to bother them then.

Senate rules allow for the arrest of members who intentionally thwart a quorum.

16 posted on 08/27/2003 11:00:08 AM PDT by Between the Lines ("What Goes Into the Mind Comes Out in a Life")
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Here is the Houston Comical's take on the ruling.

LAREDO -- A federal judge told lawyers for runaway Democratic senators today that he believes their lawsuit seeking voting rights and free speech protections is all but totally frivolous, but he agreed to leave the final decision to a three-judge panel.

U.S. District Judge George P. Kazen said he believes Gov. Rick Perry and Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst's push for mid-decade congressional redistricting is wrong and a waste of taxpayer money. However, Kazen also criticized the Democratic senators for fleeing to Albuquerque, N.M., to break the Senate's quorum.

"We're almost like the Middle East. We've got these two camps over here, and it's total victory or total surrender," Kazen said.

Kazen refused to grant the Democrats' request for a restraining order to prevent the Senate sergeant-at-arms from arresting them in case there is another special session. Kazen also urged Perry not to call a session until the three-judge panel hears the Democrats' lawsuit in about two weeks.

"Let's chill out for awhile. Let's stop spending the taxpayers money for awhile," Kazen said.

The self-exiled Democrats had hoped to find a friendly judge by filing the lawsuit in Laredo. Kazen was appointed by former President Jimmy Carter. But the judge made it clear from the start of today's hearing that the only reason he was not throwing the case out was that federal case law requires voting rights questions to be answered by a three-judge panel unless the lawsuit is wholly frivolous or fictitious.

"The agreement we've made is your lawsuit is not wholly frivolous," Kazen told Renea Hicks, a lawyer representing the Democrats.

"That's cold comfort, but I accept it," Hicks replied.

Hicks asked Kazen for a restraining order against the Senate sergeant-at-arms to prevent the senators' arrests if they returned to Texas. Hicks said he had heard Perry and Dewhurst had planned to arrest the senators if they attended the federal court hearing.

Kazen indicated he did not see a problem with that as long as the arrest was legal. He said the three-judge panel might enter a narrow order that would allow the Democratic senators to attend a court hearing without fear of arrest.

Several of the senators had planned to attend the hearing but decided against it Tuesday night when rumors circulated that Republican senators had been told to return to Austin for a third special session. Also, it was rumored that the Senate sergeant-at-arms, Carlton Turner, was in Laredo and would arrest the Senators at the courthouse.

"I'm not stupid," Sen. Rodney Ellis of Houston said in Albuquerque. "I don't walk into an ambush."

"They'll stoop to any level," said Sen. Mario Gallegos of Houston. He added that he would not have gone willingly if the Republicans had tried to trap him in Texas.

"They're going to have to take me," he said.

David Beckwith, spokesman for Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, said Dewhurst discussed the possibility of arresting the Democrats while they were in Laredo, but added that the discussions went no further.

Turner was not available because today is a state holiday observing the death of Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The Democrats' lawsuit focuses on a change of Senate procedure that makes it likely that a Republican congressional redistricting plan will pass. They claim that violates their protections under the Voting Rights Act.

But Kazen said the Voting Rights Act is meant to protect voters and should not apply to Senate procedures or the process of how a redistricting bill is passed.

"If a redistricting bill is passed, it will unquestionably be subject to the Voting Rights Act; it will unquestionably be subject to (U.S. Justice Department) preclearance; and it will unquestionably generate a lawsuit," Kazen said.

The lawsuit also said the threat of arrest violates the senators' free speech rights. Kazen said he did not believe anyone has been deprived of the right to speak.

Kazen questioned where it would end if he ruled the Democrats "defacto filibuster" was protected speech. He said the Constitution protects a college professor from being fired for his beliefs, "but do you go to the next step and say he can't show up for class all semester?"

The 11 Democratic senators took off for Albuquerque on July 28 as the first special session ended and they learned Perry planned to call a second session immediately. Dewhurst already had announced plans to change Senate procedures so the Democrats could not block congressional redistricting in the second session.

The change in procedure amounted to dropping what has become known as the "two-thirds rule." So long as the procedure was in place, the 11 Democrats could block redistricting without having to break the Senate's quorum.

Under standard Senate procedure, a supermajority of the Senate's 31 members must give permission for a bill to be debated. The vote is required to take legislation out of its regular order on the calendar.

But Dewhurst announced that congressional redistricting would be the only thing on the calendar so a simple majority could pass it. Eighteen of the Senate's 19 Republican senators have indicated they will vote for a congressional redistricting bill.

Dewhurst said the same change in procedure has been made 17 times in the past by other lieutenant governors, including several times in special sessions on redistricting.

But the Democrats argue that the "two-thirds rule" was used in 1971, the year Texas came under the federal Voting Rights Act protections for minorities. They also say that while the procedure has been dropped for legislative redistricting in the past, it has never been changed for congressional redistricting.

The U.S. Justice Department's Civil Rights Division on Tuesday told the state that the "two-thirds rule" is an internal Senate procedure and the agency would not consider the change in procedure as something that had to be reviewed under the Voting Rights Act.

The Democratic senators in their federal lawsuit had argued that by changing the voting procedure in the Senate, Dewhurst had effectively denied them of protections for minorities under the Voting Rights Act as well as the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

In a request to amend their lawsuit, they also argued that attempts to arrest and penalize them for breaking the Senate quorum violated their constitutional free speech rights.

The state's brief to the court argued that the Senate procedure for a supermajority has not been used consistently over the years and is "purely a legislative calendar-management tool."

Attorney General Greg Abbott's lawyers said if the Voting Rights Act was applied to Senate procedure in this instance then it would require the lieutenant governor to "cede to federal authorities near-complete control over the daily internal workings of the Senate."

Hicks in his brief called the state's position "greatly exaggerated." He said the Voting Rights Act clearly could be applied to Senate rules.

"To use an extreme example, if the Texas Senate adopted a rule that said only Anglos in the Senate could vote on redistricting legislation, that too would not be within the scope of the (Voting Rights Act)" if the state was correct, Hicks wrote.

Chronicle reporters Armando Villafranca in Austin and Rachel Graves in Albuquerque contributed to this story.

25 posted on 08/27/2003 11:14:47 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: hoaxbuster1; deport; Squantos; Clinger; GeronL; Billie; Slyfox; San Jacinto; SpookBrat; FITZ; ...
Judge declines to rule on Democrats' redistricting lawsuit

But of course ! ...


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37 posted on 08/27/2003 11:44:30 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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And thanks for posting this ! ...

41 posted on 08/27/2003 11:55:26 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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Here's the Austin American Statesman view point.

((Note that this article actually says in paragraph 7 that the Judge sympathized on the political points, but thought about "tossing" the legal points, then punted by calling for help.))



http://www.statesman.com/legislature/content/coxnet/texas/legislature/0803/0828redistrict_update.html
Federal judge turns to higher court on redistricting
Democrats may make their case on redistricting before an appeals court panel

By Gary Susswein and Laylan Copelin

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Wednesday, August 27, 2003

LAREDO — A federal judge said today that he doesn't buy the argument that the state's Republican leaders have violated the Voting Rights Act in their efforts to draw a new map for congressional districts.

But U.S. District Judge George P. Kazen said he's not prepared to throw out the lawsuit filed by 11 Senate Democrats who boycotted the recently ended special session to prevent a new congressional map from being passed.

Saying that the case isn't so absurd, Kazen said he will ask the 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals to convene a three-judge panel to listen to the arguments.

Democrats have said that by dumping a Senate rule on how proposals are debated, Republicans were reducing representation for minority residents in their districts. Kazen said he had been leaning toward tossing out the case, but decided to ask another panel of judges to consider it.

"By far, the most prudential thing to do here would be to ask for the convening of a three-judge court," he said.

Kazen also said he would ask that panel to review Democrats' request for a temporary restraining order to prevent Senate officials from having them arrested and returned to the Senate if they return to the state.

Kazen was skeptical about the Democrats' legal argument, but he repeatedly said he sympathized with their political argument. He said it's bad public policy to redraw congressional boundaries this year, and he said it's not a priority for the state of Texas.

Kazen also called on both sides to bring a new level of civility to the case and compared the standoff to the conflict in the Middle East.

"We've got these two camps over there, and it's either total victory or total surrender," he said.

The level of unease was evident by a last-minute decision against having five of the boycotting Democrats attend the court hearing.

Democrats early Wednesday said they were given credible information that Republicans had arranged a plan that would have resulted in the arrest of at least one of the Democrats in Laredo. During the just-ended session, the Senate was one member short of the attendance needed to conduct business.

Democrats would not reveal the information, but said they were advised not to return to Texas by a Republican colleague.

"We spent a month of our lives on this," Sen. Gonzalo Barrientos, D-Austin, said. "We're not about to make a silly mistake."

A spokesman for Gov. Rick Perry, however, said there was no plot against the Democrats.

"It appears the senators in New Mexico have been watching too many pay-per-view movies in their hotel rooms," said Gene Acuña. "That is such a laughable scenario, it's not worthy of response."

After the hearing, the Democrats' lawyer, Max Renea Hick, blamed Perry and Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst for the lack of civility.

State Solicitor Ted Cruz said he was pleased with the judge's decision.

Kazen said he believes the three-judge panel can convene by the middle of September.

Perry is expected to call another special session on congressional redistricting, although when he will do that isn't clear. The Democrats remain in New Mexico and were scheduled to decide whether to return to Texas later today.


53 posted on 08/27/2003 1:01:23 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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Had the case been clearly without merit, Kazen said, he would have felt comfortable making the ruling by himself. He said he would write a letter to the chief judge of the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans to ask that two other judges be appointed.

He just didn't want to take the heat alone.

Becki

57 posted on 08/27/2003 1:42:17 PM PDT by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops!)
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Why don't they just send the Texas Rangers to New Mexico and drag these democRATs back to Texas? Or at least ask New Mexico to extradite them?
59 posted on 08/27/2003 2:35:59 PM PDT by jimkress (Go away Pat Go away!)
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Why did the Chicken D's cross the road?

To avoid a quorum.

60 posted on 08/27/2003 6:46:40 PM PDT by lowbridge (Texas Democrats. Saddam. On the lam together.)
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My question is, where do they get theIr paycheck from and can the time they are out of the state not doing their job be deducted from their check? I wish I could miss work for a couple of months and still get paid and earn benefits. When I had my child, I missed work, did not get paid and had to pay in to keep my benefits going while I was out!!!I obviously am in the wrong profession!! An HONEST one! :>)
61 posted on 08/27/2003 8:55:06 PM PDT by curlewbird
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"Surely, he wouldn't be that stupid," Van de Putte said. "That would exactly prove our point (which) is they will trap us, they will do anything whether it's unethical or immoral to try and please partisan Republicans."

This Van de Putte rascal is a true comedian.

67 posted on 08/27/2003 11:18:01 PM PDT by usadave
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