Bustamante Leads Schwarznegger in Recall Race [McClintock gettng 21% of GOP Votes]

LA Times (Registration Required) ^ | August 24, 2003 | staff writer

[prarie earth]

Much of (Arnolds) strategy is based on cross over appeal to non-Republican voters given his comparitvely moderate views on issues such as gun control, abortion and gay rights.

But less than two weeks into his first run for elected office, Schwarznegger has already become a politically polarizing figure.

Roughly seven in ten Democratic voters have an unfavorable impression of the action-movie star, while the same number of likely Republican voters expressed a favorable view.

The actor won the support of 39% of likely Republican voters, 20% of Independents, and 7% of Democrats polled.

McClintock recieved 21% of the Republican vote, Simon recieved 12% and Uberroth 10%.

[Syncro]

The Demos have one person running.

The Repubs have two. Ok, ok one is a RINO. But puts the "R" next to his name.

If either Arnold or McClintock do not drop out, Mr. Aztlan will win.

I think Arnold has a better chance, but Grey will do his best to destroy him in the last few days what with his infidelity and other issues that most of us will not be aware of until Gray brings them up.

[rodeo-mamma]

I think McClintock will get out the race the day after he realizes that he just destroyed both the state of Califonia and his career in one fell-swoop. But that will be the day after the election, which will be one day too late.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

He won't get out, this is about ego, not principle.

Speaking of ego, and princple; stay in Michigan and stop pooping up our threads with your painfully limited insight of the issues my state is facing.

Thank you.

[freekitty]

I don't believe the LA Times either; but I really don't see anything that suggest Mr. McClintock is on an ego trip.

[nosofar]

So demonstrated that he couldn't even get elected Comptroller last fall?! If he's already LOST 1 statewide race, what makes you think he can win another statewide race?!

Unlike Arnold, who's won every race he's been in. :)

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Good afternoon Utah,

I will answer your retorical questions with data that should put your Out-Of-State mind at ease.Is California a largely liberal state?

Apart from the Berzerkly legend, absolutely not. Read this;

1994 - Proposition #184: Three-strikes, life imprisonment for repeat felons.
1994 - Proposition #187: Cut off state funds for Illegal Aliens.
1996 - Proposition #209: Ended statewide Affirmative Action
1998 - Proposition #227: Ended bilingual education
2000 - Proposition #22: Defined marriage as one man - one woman.

These aren't moderate stances that passed overwhelmingly. These don't appeal to both sides, and they don't straddle any fences. They also don't involve trusting a Republican candidate to implement their wishes, its simply voting on law and when they don't have to trust a RINO like Pete Wilson, they turn out big time. Republicans lose here because they don't have confidence in their message, and they try to throw nuggets to the Berkeley types, and the "red" counties outside of LA/San Fran stay home.

Is McClintock conservative?

Read his speeches, judge for yourself . There is a very good reason why he got more votes for a down ticket office than Simon did for Gov against the hated Gray Davis. He offers a contrast, he also offers the articulation of conservatism like few others. The polls don't show it yet, but if you know it alls let us sort out our own affairs, we will surprise you.

[Creekblood]

From McClintock's mouth to a very reliable source to my ears - "I am in this for the long haul!" Tom McClintock

This is not about ego, rather it is about the good of California. Tom McClintock is a conservative and as such he bases his judgement upon sound conservative principles (i.e. Ronald Reagan). Just as Rush Limbaugh has stated California needs conservatism and Tom McClintock is just the man we need in California. If anyone's race is about ego it is Arnold's gubernatorial race. "If California needs me I will run." No, Arnold we do not need you, what we need is not a man with one liners, but rather a man with solutions. That man is Tom McClintock!

www.helptom.com

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

OK, I'm jealous. Texas is a rock for conservative values. May you all live long and prosper. :O)

[Creekblood]

You are exactly correct! We need to stand on our conservative principles and not "give a little" to the leftist opposition!

THANKYOU!!!!

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Stuff it. I am a Californian and my family has 12 votes in this race, all for Arnold, thank God.

[Creekblood]

Not Good Enough
Andrew Bales
8.23.2003
In all likelihood the citizens of California will vote to recall Gray Davis, architect of the fiscal disaster that now plagues California. Of course Davis sees things much differently alleging, as has become the liberal mantra of the hour, that this is a mere ploy by Republicans to thwart the will of the people. If it were not so terribly sad, it would be somewhat comical to listen to him talk about the will of the people. It is his absolute refusal to listen to the people, which has provoked the recall which one can only hope he someday understands.

That said, it appears that California will have some choices to make, and soon. I am not sure how many people were really paying attention to this recall until an Austrian actor visited Jay Leno. Now we have the porn stars and the porn peddlers, the former child star and the current star child. Leadership is needed, business acumen sought and direction prayed for.

For many Republicans the choice seems easy enough. “Anything is better than Davis, Schwarzenegger has a good chance, vote for him.” First of all, it is unwise to suggest that “anything is better than Davis” because to do so means that one would literally elect anyone to replace him. For anyone who cannot see the danger in such a proposition, try the following: “Anyone is better than Ted Bundy as a date for my daughter”, only to have “anyone” wind up being Charles Manson. It is true that some people are far more qualified than Davis, but not everyone, and to be sure, not even most. Without digging too deep, does anyone really think that Gary Coleman should be “anyone”? Second, I agree that Schwarzenegger has a good chance of winning, though I am not sure anyone can really tell me how this came to be the case.

Republicans really need to consider the ramifications of being awe-struck by a man who has never held a position in the P.T.A., let alone one that requires running a state while ignoring, because he is probably a ‘long shot’, a man like Tom McClintock. McClintock does not have the name recognition in Hollywood, or the money that comes with such, but last I checked, Sacramento was not suffering from a lack of performing arts, but instead, a government that is spending far more money than it takes in. Unreal to me is that in the current state of affairs; qualifications seem to be finding their way to the back burner, while popularity has taken center stage, literally. Californians have a choice.

The choice they are faced with is not the tired cliché about “the lesser of two evils” but rather a choice that will say far more about the voter than it will about the eventual winner. The easy way is safe. It requires little more than a lemming mentality and a punch card, and yet it is so fraught with wrongheaded thinking that it undermines completely the idea of voting our true values. Wanting so badly to see a “republican” in the Governors mansion is a natural feeling after living in the land of Gray Davis, but is “a” republican really good enough?

I have listened to people nationwide talk about Mr. Schwarzenegger as if the natural progression of Hollywood acting is running a state. Meanwhile, Tom McClintock sits, poised, ready not only to lead, but ready to act.

There is a conservative Republican, elected time and time again by the people of California who is ready to go to work. He is not surrounded by people he has to threaten with push-ups for having the audacity to suggest that Proposition 13 might need a bit of tinkering. He is not surrounded by egomaniacs that want more than anything to be “in power”. He is not saying what he thinks everyone wants to hear but rather what people need to hear. He is not in this until the skies darken and he throws his support elsewhere. He is in this until the end, and he believes in California. He has a plan, not a panel. He will accomplish in his first day as Governor what others would be fortunate to accomplish in a year. He is ready, California. Not with rhetoric and vague platitudes but with a plan for the future, built on his experiences of the past.

Some say that Tom McClintock can’t win. They offer up a thousand excuses and ten thousand reasons why he is a bad bet. Their right to do so is not in question. What is in question is the condition of their conservatism. Taking the easy way out may see California be rid of Gray Davis, but looking at the condition of the state and picking anyone but the person best qualified is simply not good enough.

-Andrew Bales

(Andrew Bales resides in the state of Washington and is an, as of yet, undiscovered talent. His political prose is right on and the YRFKC is proud to offer his insight to our membership and supporters.)

www.yrfkc.org

[nosofar]

McClintock cannot win.

If the race were tomorrow, you would probably be right. As it is, this sounds more like wishful thinking.

[Creekblood]

You may as well vote for Bustamonte! At least you will know where HE stands!!!! LMAO!!!

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

No, Arnold we do not need you, what we need is not a man with one liners, but rather a man with solutions. That man is Tom McClintock!

Amen brother. Notice its all the Out-Of-State know it alls who's only dog in this fight is the letter 'R' who are spreading this "ego" canard all over the board like a dirty dish towel? I never thought I would see the day that so many "conservatives" would profane someone who actually was conservative in public life, just for the quick and easy path of getting someone from (antiWar, antiAmerican)Hollywood to fool us simply because they are famous. Its like an X-Files episode listening to them defend the indefensibly contractory and vague.

You (R)nold defenders are without honor or credability.

[Joe Hadenuf]

See... in California, conservatives tend to see all immigrants as "illegals", "Turd Worlders" and "liberals"

Sorry to rain on your propaganda parade....

Seems some of your Texas neighbors disagree with you...

Why no! Nothing like that could happen to the great "Republic of Texas". We've got the Alamo. Why, our motto is "Don't Mess With Texas". We print it on T-shirts and refridgerator magnets and everything.

We are the biggest braggarts and chest beaters in the nation. You don't know what you are talking about. Illegal Mexicans aren't taken over Texas. Texas is conquering Mexico. yeah, that's it. That's the ticket. we will just keep telling ourselves that. That way we won't have our overblown pride hurt. Yeah! Thats it.

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Care to see more? Let me know..

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

More campaigning through insults. Keep it up. Why doesn't your candidate change his name to Tom WHO? because that's what everyone says to me when I mention his name.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

I am a Californian

Then you aren't very bright because your profile says Michigan. Doesn't surprise me that all related to you vote with the herd rather than Issues, you aren't very smart.

[nosofar]

Your "punt on first down" strategy betrays you.

That has got to be the best analogy I've heard. The election is several weeks away off and people are panicing over a poll...or they actually want Arnold over McClintock. I just wish they'd be honest about it if that's the case.

[Political Junkie Too]

I think McClintock should stay in for at least a few more weeks. We don't know what will happen to the Schwarzenneger campaign once the "real" mud begins to fly. Also, as Schwarzenegger begins to further detail his platform and he takes attacks on it, we may need a safety valve in the end if Schwarzenegger looks like he will go down for the count.

Bottom line: it's too early for McClintock to bail. Save it for the final weeks when one or the other can throw their endorsement the other way.

-PJ

[Robert_Paulson2]

21 percent of the "republican" vote....
leaving arnold with more than sixty percent of the republican vote...

not 21 percent of the STATE'S voters...
read it again.