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Mark Steyn: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 08/23/03 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/22/2003 4:35:57 PM PDT by Pokey78

'The US and British armies have entered the gates of hell," thundered George Galloway last month. "Soon it will be 100 degrees at midnight in Baghdad, but there will be no respite from the need for full body armour."

As usual, George was a little off. The gates of hell are on the périphérique and it's 100 degrees at midnight in the pissoir on the Metro. To date, two US soldiers are believed to have succumbed to the heat in Iraq, whereas over 10,000 people have succumbed to it in France.

That would make George's brutal Iraqi summer about one five-thousandth as lethal as the brutal Gallic summer, which has killed more people than the brutal Afghan winter (now 23 months behind schedule), the brutal Iraqi summer and the searing heat of the Guantanamo torture camps combined and multiplied by a thousand.

Certainly, Iraq has its problems. Jacques Chirac, en vacances just up the road from me in North Hatley, Quebec, took time out of his three-week holiday to issue a statement on events in Baghdad, where 20 people died on Tuesday. But he didn't bother to interrupt his vacation to issue a statement on events in France, where so many people have died, the funeral homes are standing room only and they're having to store bodies in the freezers at the fruit and veg markets.

Now that his old pal and nuclear client has been removed from power, M Chirac is utterly irrelevant to the future of Iraq. But surely France still falls within his jurisdiction, doesn't it?

And where are the Red Cross and Oxfam and Human Rights Watch and all the other noisy humanitarians? If 10,000 Iraqis had died of dysentery on George W Bush's watch, you'd never hear the end of it. A few weeks back, with three fatal cases of cholera, the Humanitarian Lobby was already shrieking that we stood on the edge of a humanitarian catastrophe.

France isn't on the edge, it's in the abyss. When I motored round Iraq a couple of months ago, the hospital wards were well below capacity. Yet in France the entire health system – or that percentage of it not spending August at the beach – is stretched beyond its limits (35 hours a week, 44 weeks a year). Why aren't Médecins Sans Frontières demanding to be allowed in to take over?

There's an old, cynical formula for the weight accorded different disasters on American TV news. It runs something like: one dead American = 10 dead Israelis = 100 dead Russians = 1,000 dead Bangladeshis. But 10,000 French can die, and even the French don't seem to care – or not too much, and not with any great urgency.

Bernard Mazeyrie, managing director of France's largest undertakers, told the New York Times that several of the bereaved were in no hurry to bury their aged loved ones: "Some, he said, informed of the death of relatives, postponed funerals, not to interrupt the August 15 holiday weekend, and left the bodies in the refrigerated hall." Au bord de la mer? Ou au bord de ma mère? Hmm. Tough call.

I don't know what M Chirac heard in the dépanneurs and resto-bars of Quebec this week, but what I heard south of the border was complete amazement at how a nominally First World country could be so insouciant about an entirely avoidable Third World death toll. President Bush and the entire Washington press corps are spending a month in heat equal to the brutal Parisian summer, and he's playing golf in it all day while they stand around watching; in Phoenix tomorrow and Monday, it will be an unremarkable 105. This isn't about the weather.

In Paris this spring, a government official explained to me how Europeans had created a more civilised society than America - socialised healthcare, shorter work weeks, more holidays. We've just seen where that leads: gran'ma turned away from the hospital to die in an airless apartment because junior's sur la plage. M Chirac's somewhat tetchy suggestion that his people should rethink their attitude to the elderly was well taken. But Big Government inevitably diminishes its citizens' capacity to take responsibility, to the point where even your dead mum is just one more inconvenience the state should do something about.

Meanwhile, Maggie Pernot wrote the other day to chide me for my continued defence of the Rumsfeld Death Camps at Guantanamo. The prisoners, she complains, are "kept in tiny, chainlink outdoor cages where they were likely to be rained upon". In fact, they have sloping roofs and cool concrete floors, perfect for the climate. If they had solid walls rather than airy wire mesh, they'd be Parisian sweatboxes and everyone would be dead. By contrast, if those thousands of French pensioners had been captured by the Marines and detained by Rummy in Cuba, they'd be alive today.

Mme Pernot writes from St Julien, France. That's right: she's surrounded by an actual humanitarian scandal on all sides but she'd rather obsess about an entirely fictional one. Heat getting to you, Madame? Or just the unusual odour from the flat next door?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: chirac; france; iraq; marksteyn; marksteynlist; steyn; steynisagenius
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To: M Kehoe
Steyn gets better all the time. Thanks for posting this.
61 posted on 08/22/2003 7:01:17 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Pokey78
We're not worthy!! We're not worthy!! The entire civilized world should bow down in homage to the Great Steyn, Master of the bon mot.
62 posted on 08/22/2003 7:05:45 PM PDT by Remole
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To: livius
I think the city did open gymnasiums and other air conditioned spaces... I gather the French couldn't even think of a solution that simple?

Every summer in Philly some group would donate fans to the elderly. Some of these greedy oldsters should have been ashamed to drive up in their late model cars to pick up a free $20 box fan.

And, slap me for being obvious, but it is hot and humid every summer in Philly. All the fans I've had seem to work for years on end, so it's not like you need to buy a new one every year. How the hell do you live 60/70 years and not have a friggin fan???

Or is the word 'free' just too much for some people to pass up?

63 posted on 08/22/2003 7:33:45 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: Pokey78
"If they had solid walls rather than airy wire mesh, they'd be Parisian sweatboxes and everyone would be dead. By contrast, if those thousands of French pensioners had been captured by the Marines and detained by Rummy in Cuba, they'd be alive today."

OMG!!! Awesome!
64 posted on 08/22/2003 7:35:35 PM PDT by ConservativeConvert
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To: MEG33
The numbers were 5000 at first and I found that incredible.I know no ones checking on the elderly who have poor body thermostats and don't drink lots of fluids to prevent dehydration.

The elderly in countries that have socialized medicine do not fair so well. They are among the last in the list of priority spending, falling WAY behind well-child, prenatal, and other younger, more successfully treated populations. If a frail elderly person is already in a compromised medical state because the nanny state has determined they are "too old" and their treatment doesn't pass the "cost-benefit" test, then they may very well succumb readily to a heat wave - even one not considered extreme in most areas of the world.

65 posted on 08/22/2003 7:37:31 PM PDT by PLK
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To: maica
" find this number so hard to comprehend. 10000 stricken by anything is massive."

This happens in Florida all the time when they get a long heat wave. Thousands die but it's not big news here because it happens all the time. They're old people in their 70's, 80's and 90's and it's their time to go !

I know a guy who runs a funeral company there in he had 150 hearsts and had to triple them one year in the mid 90's because they had a heat wave in April and had a few thousand funerals per week that month! He ended up renting them from Northern states !

66 posted on 08/22/2003 7:44:06 PM PDT by america-rules (I'm one proud American right now !)
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To: PLK
It would seem a buddy system..volunteers..donated fans,etc could help keep the need for medical intervention down.I am afraid that socialized medicine and the decline of the importance of religion in France may both be at fault.
67 posted on 08/22/2003 7:47:27 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: brucew
You are apparantly a moron.
But that is to be expected from a denison of DU who confuses sarcasm with earnest and fervid "feelings".
Have you been zotted yet?
Go Home.ET calls!
Have you checked on your children today?
ROTFLMAO!
68 posted on 08/22/2003 7:54:43 PM PDT by sarasmom (Punish France, Ignore Germany, Forgive Russia. Canada-well they ARE mostly French)
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To: Pokey78
I’m just laughing at loud at the moment and my girlfriend is looking at me like I’ve gone mad. :-)
69 posted on 08/22/2003 8:07:06 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: Temple Owl
"They call it socialism, but after the Big War it became a battle between communism and capitalism. Communism, unfortunately won."

Socialists are merely polite Communists, and they're becoming more and more less polite (and social) by the day!
71 posted on 08/22/2003 8:28:05 PM PDT by Socratic (Tag line: "You're it.")
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To: BunnySlippers
I am having a hard time believing that 10,000 people have died from the heat. Some one explain that to me, please.

They all put on their "long-johns" (long-jeans on August 1st.

72 posted on 08/22/2003 8:37:33 PM PDT by UnklGene
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To: All
You mean Chiraq is in MY country? See I told you, I have to get out of Canada ASAP. He is probably conspiring with Chretien on how to win back Iraqs oil supplies. If any of you thought Bush was in bed with big oil, you should maybe take a peak at Chretien's energy connections. Hint, they have everything to do with France... I wish Quebec would have a heat wave...
73 posted on 08/22/2003 8:48:30 PM PDT by TigerMouth
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To: Pokey78
<< Au bord de la mer? Ou au bord de ma mère? Hmm. Tough call. >>

France in four sentences!

What a mind.

Thanks for the Ping, Pokes.
74 posted on 08/22/2003 8:53:11 PM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Pokey78
<< Heat getting to you, Madame? Or just the unusual odour from the flat next door? >>

Vive la france!
75 posted on 08/22/2003 8:55:49 PM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MightyMouseToSaveThe Day; Pokey78; Angel
<< .... it's something else and i haven't figured .... >>

It's total rubbish.

And it's gallic cynicism run amok.

Pretty soon the cheese-eating surrender monkeys will be poo-pooing September 11 2001 and pointing out that the barbaric American cowboys' terrorist global warming practices and refusal to sign on to Kyoto has murdered more french EURO-peons than the few perhaps killed by the alleged militants who may have been responsible for some American buildings getting in the way of some aeroplanes in which some apparent muslims may have been travelling on that day, September 11 2001 on which none of Lower Manhattan's Jewish People turned up for work. [ /sarcasm ]
76 posted on 08/22/2003 9:08:12 PM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: brucew
I'm so hurt...
..............
Jerk.
..............
Even yet?
That is the extent of your "thoughtfull" debating position, is it not?
77 posted on 08/22/2003 9:29:48 PM PDT by sarasmom (Punish France, Ignore Germany, Forgive Russia. Canada-well they ARE mostly French)
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To: Pokey78
BTT
78 posted on 08/22/2003 9:30:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: PLK
Soylent Verde?
79 posted on 08/22/2003 9:37:05 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Pokey78
God exists, and has quite a sense of humor, it seems.
80 posted on 08/22/2003 9:44:15 PM PDT by Imal (The World According to Imal: http://imal.blogspot.com)
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