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Mark Steyn: Iraq may be on the edge but France has hit rock bottom abyss
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 08/23/03 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/22/2003 4:35:57 PM PDT by Pokey78

'The US and British armies have entered the gates of hell," thundered George Galloway last month. "Soon it will be 100 degrees at midnight in Baghdad, but there will be no respite from the need for full body armour."

As usual, George was a little off. The gates of hell are on the périphérique and it's 100 degrees at midnight in the pissoir on the Metro. To date, two US soldiers are believed to have succumbed to the heat in Iraq, whereas over 10,000 people have succumbed to it in France.

That would make George's brutal Iraqi summer about one five-thousandth as lethal as the brutal Gallic summer, which has killed more people than the brutal Afghan winter (now 23 months behind schedule), the brutal Iraqi summer and the searing heat of the Guantanamo torture camps combined and multiplied by a thousand.

Certainly, Iraq has its problems. Jacques Chirac, en vacances just up the road from me in North Hatley, Quebec, took time out of his three-week holiday to issue a statement on events in Baghdad, where 20 people died on Tuesday. But he didn't bother to interrupt his vacation to issue a statement on events in France, where so many people have died, the funeral homes are standing room only and they're having to store bodies in the freezers at the fruit and veg markets.

Now that his old pal and nuclear client has been removed from power, M Chirac is utterly irrelevant to the future of Iraq. But surely France still falls within his jurisdiction, doesn't it?

And where are the Red Cross and Oxfam and Human Rights Watch and all the other noisy humanitarians? If 10,000 Iraqis had died of dysentery on George W Bush's watch, you'd never hear the end of it. A few weeks back, with three fatal cases of cholera, the Humanitarian Lobby was already shrieking that we stood on the edge of a humanitarian catastrophe.

France isn't on the edge, it's in the abyss. When I motored round Iraq a couple of months ago, the hospital wards were well below capacity. Yet in France the entire health system – or that percentage of it not spending August at the beach – is stretched beyond its limits (35 hours a week, 44 weeks a year). Why aren't Médecins Sans Frontières demanding to be allowed in to take over?

There's an old, cynical formula for the weight accorded different disasters on American TV news. It runs something like: one dead American = 10 dead Israelis = 100 dead Russians = 1,000 dead Bangladeshis. But 10,000 French can die, and even the French don't seem to care – or not too much, and not with any great urgency.

Bernard Mazeyrie, managing director of France's largest undertakers, told the New York Times that several of the bereaved were in no hurry to bury their aged loved ones: "Some, he said, informed of the death of relatives, postponed funerals, not to interrupt the August 15 holiday weekend, and left the bodies in the refrigerated hall." Au bord de la mer? Ou au bord de ma mère? Hmm. Tough call.

I don't know what M Chirac heard in the dépanneurs and resto-bars of Quebec this week, but what I heard south of the border was complete amazement at how a nominally First World country could be so insouciant about an entirely avoidable Third World death toll. President Bush and the entire Washington press corps are spending a month in heat equal to the brutal Parisian summer, and he's playing golf in it all day while they stand around watching; in Phoenix tomorrow and Monday, it will be an unremarkable 105. This isn't about the weather.

In Paris this spring, a government official explained to me how Europeans had created a more civilised society than America - socialised healthcare, shorter work weeks, more holidays. We've just seen where that leads: gran'ma turned away from the hospital to die in an airless apartment because junior's sur la plage. M Chirac's somewhat tetchy suggestion that his people should rethink their attitude to the elderly was well taken. But Big Government inevitably diminishes its citizens' capacity to take responsibility, to the point where even your dead mum is just one more inconvenience the state should do something about.

Meanwhile, Maggie Pernot wrote the other day to chide me for my continued defence of the Rumsfeld Death Camps at Guantanamo. The prisoners, she complains, are "kept in tiny, chainlink outdoor cages where they were likely to be rained upon". In fact, they have sloping roofs and cool concrete floors, perfect for the climate. If they had solid walls rather than airy wire mesh, they'd be Parisian sweatboxes and everyone would be dead. By contrast, if those thousands of French pensioners had been captured by the Marines and detained by Rummy in Cuba, they'd be alive today.

Mme Pernot writes from St Julien, France. That's right: she's surrounded by an actual humanitarian scandal on all sides but she'd rather obsess about an entirely fictional one. Heat getting to you, Madame? Or just the unusual odour from the flat next door?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: chirac; france; iraq; marksteyn; marksteynlist; steyn; steynisagenius
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To: Pokey78
Steyn rocks.

I had no idea the frogs were drying up--shows you how much I pay attention.

21 posted on 08/22/2003 5:10:10 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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the frenchies' death toll to sub-100 temps (how hot exactly?) doesn't shame them at all, when they can blame it on how much our wars and SUVs have heated up the earth since Bush became prez

especially since the rest of the world and 40% of our own population will nod in agreement
22 posted on 08/22/2003 5:10:45 PM PDT by dwills
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To: aculeus
Yeah and from St. Julien no less. That is in the dead heart of Bordeaux wine country. Heat there can be a plus. They're saying this could be a great year for wine but not so good for the elderly. Regardless I won't be downing any french wine in the future.
23 posted on 08/22/2003 5:11:33 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Pokey78
To date, two US soldiers are believed to have succumbed to the heat in Iraq,
whereas over 10,000 people have succumbed to it in France.


During the lead-up to Operation Iraqui Freedom...my constant gripe was how the
most foul and foreign and perfidious French were going to be killing Americans with
heatstroke by the delay, delay, and delay of attack.

I'm still upset at how the French acted.

But at the same time I have a small, humble smile at how the hand of Providence moves...
24 posted on 08/22/2003 5:15:03 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Pokey78
France the entire health system – or that percentage of it not spending August at the beach – is stretched beyond its limits (35 hours a week, 44 weeks a year). Why aren't Médecins Sans Frontières demanding to be allowed in to take over?

Side-splitting in two languages. What a talent!

25 posted on 08/22/2003 5:16:54 PM PDT by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the CORRUPT liberal media)
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To: 45Auto
They call it socialism, but after the Big War it became a battle between communism and capitalism. Communism, unfortunately won. The left-wing liberals have turned capitalism into a dirty word. But, in reality, it is a beautiful word that America was built upon.
26 posted on 08/22/2003 5:23:38 PM PDT by Temple Owl
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To: Pokey78
I am having a hard time believing that 10,000 people have died from the heat. Some one explain that to me, please.
27 posted on 08/22/2003 5:28:06 PM PDT by Angel
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To: Angel
Saw on TV today that the French don't have air conditioning in their homes. Offices, yes, but not most of the homes.
28 posted on 08/22/2003 5:29:41 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: 45Auto
"Socialism is a disease."

Socialism is the disease of which history, written by others, is the cure of record.
29 posted on 08/22/2003 5:29:42 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Angel
Yeah, me too. First it was 3000, then 5000, and now ten. I guess you'd have to bounce the demographics to see if this really was literally 10,000 more deaths than usually experienced this time of year. It may be, but I smell "media circus" here.
30 posted on 08/22/2003 5:33:04 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Angel
I think they arrived at the number through statistical analysis -certain Parisian undertakers were doing a brisk business this summer, ergo people are dropping dead left and right all over France. It will probably drop with time.
31 posted on 08/22/2003 5:33:15 PM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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To: Pokey78
Even without air conditioning, couldn't you sit in a tub of water or something? I live in Orange County and we had 95+ degrees for a month. Granted, we don't have humidity. But I still worked in the sun for 6 hours a day. I just drank tons of water, and if I got too hot, I cooled off in the sun.
32 posted on 08/22/2003 5:34:32 PM PDT by Angel
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To: Angel
I am having a hard time believing that 10,000 people have died from the heat. Some one explain that to me, please.

I'm having a hard time trying to figure it out also. Look at India which periodically has horrendously high temps and no air-conditioning in poor living conditions ... even they don't rack up these numbers. The news was saying that Baghdad temps were well over 120 and the people who have lived there all the time in terrible conditions don't die at that rate.

I'm inclined to believe that someone is fiddling with the statistics. The French have serious problems ...and, like the man said, it's not the heat.

33 posted on 08/22/2003 5:43:49 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Go Arnold Go!)
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To: BunnySlippers
Great point. Is it a goal to push the Koyota Global Warming Treaty?
34 posted on 08/22/2003 5:46:43 PM PDT by Angel
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To: Pokey78
Au bord de la mer? Ou au bord de ma mère? Hmm. Tough call.

I don't speak French, so I translated this on Babelfish. It apparently goes something like this:

At the side of the sea? Or at the side of my mother? Hmm. Tough call.

35 posted on 08/22/2003 5:50:34 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: BunnySlippers
The numbers were 5000 at first and I found that incredible.I know no ones checking on the elderly who have poor body thermostats and don't drink lots of fluids to prevent dehydration.
36 posted on 08/22/2003 5:55:02 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear
Ping
37 posted on 08/22/2003 5:57:50 PM PDT by knighthawk (We all want to touch a rainbow, but singers and songs will never change it alone. We are calling you)
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To: Pokey78
whereas over 10,000 people have succumbed to (the heat wave) in France.

It seems like these 10,000 deaths should be considered a crime against humanity. Shouldn’t the UN or the International Court in Belgium be looking at these deaths and putting those responsible in jail?

38 posted on 08/22/2003 5:58:38 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Pokey78
Steyn uses his pen like a diamond cutting glass.
39 posted on 08/22/2003 5:59:55 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Bob J
It seems to me France might have let all those pensioners die to get them off the pension rolls...Chirac is having a bit of a budget crunch this year.

I had the same cynical thought! Apparently deaths due to heat in Spain and Portugal have been about 10 in each country. It appears that France had a excess of elderly just hanging on and making a nuisance of themselves!

I find this number so hard to comprehend. 10000 stricken by anything is massive. Even 10000 Bangladeshis killed by flood is a huge event, and yet if the number is true, it was not enough to bring home vacationers (including their President.)

40 posted on 08/22/2003 6:00:36 PM PDT by maica (Land of the Free, because of the Brave.)
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