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"I pointed out the common misconception many Americans have in believing that the First Amendment applies to the states"

No! This is a false argument. An idiot's argument. If the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution did not apply, then STATE governments could impose religion on us at a local level, which is not true.

The honest argument is that there is no Constitutional prohibition on an individual employed by the government from expressing his personal religious belief.

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or to often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

Patrick Henry

The real issue behind this is NOT SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, it is about changing HISTORICAL FACT. IF WE AMERICANS ALLOW THIS, our criminal justice textbooks will have to no longer mention God. CRIMINAL JUSTICE, SEVENTH EDITION BY JAMES A. INCIARDI is most widely used introduction textbook used in colleges today. On Page 43 under COMMON LAW it shows how The Ten Commandments were a large part of England's common law established by justices (not legislatures and laws)decisions using biblical scripture. The Duke of York handed to colonists of Pennsylvania the laws in form of EX: Original Criminal Code of 1676 BASED ON TEN COMMANDMENTS. It became origin of America's Criminal Justice Laws!!! Allow them to remove this reminder and they'll remove the truth from textbooks so college students won't know how much influence God had in establishing America and its LAWS!@!

Bill Federer’s American Minute:
August 21, 2003
Born in Scotland, he was one of only six founding fathers to sign both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. President George Washington appointed him a Justice on the Supreme Court. One of the most active members at the Constitutional Convention, he spoke 168 times. His name was James Wilson and he died this day, August 21, 1798. The first law professor of the University of Pennsylvania, James Wilson wrote: "It should always be remembered, that this law, natural or revealed, flows from the same divine source; it is the law of God.... Human law must rest its authority, ultimately, upon the authority of that law, which is divine."

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Montgomery Advertiser

Ten Commandments Case index of articles

EDITORIAL
Justices must find mettle to intervene

Pryor notifies Judge Thompson of vote

This is the kind of government tyranny our forefathers had hoped to avoid. Had they foreseen the effects that federal courts would have on our freedoms, the framers of the Constitution might have included a provision explicitly limiting their powers. But then again, hindsight is always 20/20.

The Founding Fathers would have done what what should be done today: Subject the unelected SCOTUS justices to direct elections by a Constitutional Amendment. That's the only way to break the stranglehold the activist/elitist court has over the people.

Some may say that electing Justices will lead to Socialism or worse, but isn't that where we're heading now? The people have a right to shape their own destiny, and that can't be done with unelected justices who come from a law school culture and change Constitutional law as they see fit.

Ping. What says the Catholic Caucus?

INTREP

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God."

Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos

AMENDMENT ONE - FREEPER rwfromkansas

In a 1798 letter to American military officers, President John Adams declared that "The Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the governance of any other." Chief Justice Roy Moore's installation of the Ten Commandments monument in the Alabama Judicial Building recognizes this truth. Chief Justice Moore does not violate the U. S. Constitution. The two federal courts who have ruled against him do. SUMMARY: Chief Justice Roy Moore's Case Defending The Display Of ...

HOSTETTLER AMENDMENTS PROHIBIT FUNDS TO ENFORCE COURT DECISIONS AGAINST PLEDGE, TEN COMMANDMENTS The amendment prohibiting funds for enforcement of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling on the Pledge of Allegiance passed 307-119. The second amendment, which blocks enforcement of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that the Ten Commandments cannot be posted in the Alabama Supreme Court building, passed 260-161. United States Representative John N. Hostettler

The Congressional testimony presented in Congress, the Court, and the Constitution, explains how your representatives can ensure the federal courts comply with the Constitution.

Those who support Federalism contact your representatives about voting for Ten Commandments Defense Act of 2003 & Religious Freedom Restoration Act

Those who want incompetent federal judges removed, contact your representatives:

The following will educate all but the most implacable anti-Christians on the Church/State issue:

Solzhenitsyn's consistent resort to the context of religion for his social and political pronouncements is apparent in his Templeton Address of 1983, in which he speaks about his own country. He rehearses how he heard his elders explain all the horrors that that the Bolshevik Revolution had inflicted upon the citizenry by saying, simply, "Men have forgotten God. That is why all this has happened." And he goes on to say that if he were to give an account for all the horrors of our terrible twentieth century, he could do no better to provide a pithy explanation than to repeat what he had heard from his elders: Men have forgotten God" Solzhenitsyn On America

1785, If men are so wicked with religion,what would they be if without it? Franklin's Advice to Thomas Paine Regarding the Age of Reason

Long on opinion, short on fact.

TEN COMMANDMENTS
King James Version
Exodus 20:1-17
1. And God spake all these words, saying,
2. I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13. Thou shalt not kill.
14. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15. Thou shalt not steal.
16. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I would say that the bolded parts of the Ten Commandments conflict with the First Amendment "free exercise" clause.

-Eric

I must have been asleep when the 1st amendment was changed. I remember when there was a Free exercise thereoff clause in the amendment. Seems to me that if the people want that monument to stay, that they should have that right under the 1st amendment. What will the ACLU want next? Perhaps if people on (city owned) sidewalks can hear religious singing from within a church, it'll be unconstitutional? How about crosses in our national cemataries? Although I've never been inside the Washington Monument or the Jefferson and Thomas Memorials, I suspect that God is mentioned somewhere in these monuments, rendering them Unconstitutional. As our Declaration of Independence states that all men are CREATED equal instead of saying that all men have evolved equally, obviously our Declaration of Independence is unconstitutional. This means that we must still be a colony of England. At present, suggesting that singing inside a church when people can hear it on our sidewalks, crosses in our cemataries, and our national monuments are unconstitutional may sound too extreme even for the ACLU, but I fully expect them to make these kind of claims within 20 years. It's time to end this nonsense now, and stand up to these idiots in the ACLU and People for the antiAmerican Way.