Alabama SC justices cave, order Ten Commandments removed

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[rwfromkansas]

MONTGOMERY, Ala.

[AmishDude]

yeah, it's very un-american to try to ensure people who live in poor counties have their votes counted accurately.

They managed to do it last time. And, besides, that wasn't the issue the ACLU was arguing.

but calling for a "do over" after you lose an election - now there a move all americans can stand up and be proud of.

If you're referring to the recall itself, it has been done

1. according to all of the provisions of the CA constitution
2. because Gray Davis used the power of his office to mask the fiscal problems of the state.

[MineralMan]

"G-D written like that is respectful to his divine and his authority. "

Fascinating. But god is an English word. It's different in every language, you see. It's not your deity's name...it's a title.

So, we'd have to hyphenate a lot of words, I guess:

g-tt
d-us
b-g
d-o
di-u

You don't make sense.

[lugsoul]

Not for purposes of this discussion, it doesn't.

[inquest]

Yes, slightly. It normally means mode of worship, but the context of the establishment clause alters that to, organization based on mode of worship. So there's a subtle difference.

[BearCub]

You are confusing 'liberal' and 'liberals'. The people we consider 'liberals' actually have the conservative view on this particular issue. Granted they are liberal on everything else!

On this issue you and MissyMe are espousing the liberal point of view. The conservative point of view, as it always does, wants government OUT of religion and other issues it doesn't belong in.

[missyme]

Look I feel that I have a G-D given right to express what I feel is the truth and not by me really but by G-D the creator of mankind. He is the one that millions of Jews and Christians all over the world embrace.

The Koran is a lie! New Age stuff, Astology a lie!
G-D gave us the Ten Commandments what is so hard about that

[lugsoul]

I've been "picking on" you? You've got to be kidding.

[sport]

Show me that he is such a sob.
If I am wrong,I will admit it.

[missyme]

I guess I just am to repectful for you.
I honor G-D and his holy name

[general_re]

S'okay - I got my degree from the Inquest Institute for Hypothetical Analysis. Hypothetically speaking, of course ;)

[lugsoul]

If you want, "picking on", answer this one. You say astrology is a lie. Judge Moore's primary financial benefactor in this fight is a televangelist charlatan who pushes something called "Christian Astrology" - claiming that Biblical prophecy is spelled out in the constellations. Do you think his "faith" has the same constitutional rights that your "faith" had?

[missyme]

Kind of you have

[inquest]

Excellent.

Why is it OK for him to dodge my questions, but you're constantly getting on my case for allegedly dodging yours?

[Happy2BMe]

"The conservative point of view, as it always does, wants government OUT of religion and other issues it doesn't belong in."

O.K., so which way do you want it?

Do you want the Ten Commandments completely removed from all public places?

If you do, then you are LIBERALLY-MINDED on this issue.

What part of LIBERAL do you not understand?

[missyme]

And who might that be

[MineralMan]

"The conservative point of view, as it always does, wants government OUT of religion and other issues it doesn't belong in. " This is true, but goes unrecognized among fundamentalists of most religions. Most people are not aware that the Southern Baptist Convention _used_ to have a line in its own Constitution that supported the separation of church and state. For all I know, it's still in there. Those who think that it's OK for _their_ particular religious beliefs to be put on display in public buildings should consider that they may not have the popular belief one day, and that some other belief may take precedence. I can just imagine the consternation if that Alabama judge was a staunch conservative Catholic who decided to place a 'Sacred Heart' statue in the courthouse. Protestants everywhere would be screaming bloody murder.

[BearCub]

MissyMe,

I don't disagree with the importance of the Ten Commandments. But I can see beyond the fact that they happen to be a symbol of my own faith. I don't understand conservatives sometimes - they seem to think government 's violation of the constitution is okay - as long as THEY aren't the ones slighted. This makes me crazy.

The fact that millions might support it is irrelevant - in fact it points out why we needed a constitution in the first place: to prevent tyranny by the majority.

Yes, the Koran is a lie. As is the Book of Mormon and so many other homegrown scriptures. But other faiths could say the same about our Bible & there is NOTHING you could say to it other than to appeal to authority - e.g., "The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true."

[Axenolith]

Since when is the state promoting or coercing a faith when a local court wishes to INCLUDE among other writings the Ten Commandments which just so happen to be a cornerstone of western law?

[HurkinMcGurkin]

You don't make sense.

I've seen people try to explain this "G-D" thing many times. It never makes sense. I'm not sure what off-shoot Christian denomination subscribes to this, but it aint mainstream.

[BearCub]

What part of LIBERAL do you not understand?

Happy, yours is the liberal position. The fact that most people you would call 'liberals' don't hold it is not the point. You want government meddling in religion - a dangerous and unconstitutional practice.