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Battle over evolution heating up
News 8 Austin ^ | 8/20/2003 | Antonio Castelan

Posted on 08/20/2003 6:24:57 PM PDT by new cruelty

The debate continues over what information Texas biology books should present.

The Texas Board of Education is looking to pick the best science book for students.

Members of a campaign called "Stand Up For Science'' said it's meant to protect the accurate teaching of evolution in Texas high school biology textbooks.

The push was unveiled on Wednesday by some religious leaders, scientists and parents. It comes as the state Board of Education prepares to adopt new biology textbooks this fall.

Terry Maxwell, a professor of biology at Angelo State University, doesn't believe creationism should be in biology textbooks.

"Science uses evidentiary reasoning and it uses no other approach," he said.

Creationists generally believe earth was formed supernaturally by God.

Reverend Tom Hegar said while he believes in God's powers, those ideas need to stay at home or in the church.

"Faith and science are complimentary. Don't use faith to build your science. Don't use science to try to destroy or shrink my faith," he said.

Seattle-based Discovery Institute believes the theory of intelligent design should be in Texas biology books. According to the Institute, intelligent design is the hypothesis that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

Science backers say that's the same thing as creationism.

"Textbooks should fix embarrassing factual errors and tell students about the scientific weakness of neo-Darwinism as well as its strengths," Discovery Institute officials stated in a faxed memo.

Maxwell said two different ideologies make it harder for students to learn science.

"If you interject ways of knowing other than the way science is practiced by mainstream science you confuse children," he said.

Austin biology teacher Amanda Walker said evolution is the cornerstone for understanding the living world, and influences medicine such as prostate cancer, heart disease and AIDS.

The evolution proponents also criticized what they said are attempts to teach creationist theories.

The Board of Education can reject books because of errors or failure to follow the state curriculum.

The board will make its final decision on the biology textbooks in November.

People have until Thursday, Aug. 21, to sign up to speak at the final public hearing Sept. 10.

In July, the first public hearing brought 42 speakers who offered their opinions at the public hearing on biology, but only half of them were familiar with the particular books.

Board member Gail Lowe said then she was disappointed that many of the people who testified for or against certain textbooks hadn't actually read them.

"They seem to be here to express a viewpoint, but it doesn't seem to relate to the textbooks we're actually considering," she said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; evolution; scienceeducation; textbooks
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To: Conservinator
You must be kidding!!

No. Check out some of these items: The General Anti-Creationism FAQ .

41 posted on 08/20/2003 8:02:43 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Dimensio
Why should a religious story be taught outside of a religious studies class at all? Further, Genesis is not the only "creation" story out there.

Shrug, no kidding. But I figured it would be a good compromise to let kids listen to an hour of highly allegorical Jewish mythology, and then settle in to the alternate explanation of evolution.

Nobody seems much interested in compromises, though.

42 posted on 08/20/2003 8:03:00 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (An embarrassed Christian.)
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To: RightWhale
Right, but it doesn't stop there. In the 2nd chapter there is a different version of the story. And then later there is John, and that is a whole different tradition. It gets very deep, or we can compartmentalize.

Er... then doesn't that mean that it's incoherent and rather unuseful as a practical attempt to explain the origin of the various creatures?

43 posted on 08/20/2003 8:04:19 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (An embarrassed Christian.)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
I'm all for teaching both.
44 posted on 08/20/2003 8:04:20 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: PatrickHenry
For your information: many of the regulars on the science threads here on Free Republic have joined in the AGREEMENT OF THE WILLING to

Respectfully sir, I would like to engage you in this topic. However, your link to the agreement is nonfunctional.
45 posted on 08/20/2003 8:05:08 PM PDT by usastandsunited
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To: SedVictaCatoni
I don't like the idea of teaching a non-scientific explanation as science. I'd rather keep the religious myths outside of the science classroom, except as for presenting historical context.
46 posted on 08/20/2003 8:06:47 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: usastandsunited
Try this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/960260/posts
47 posted on 08/20/2003 8:06:47 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: thulldud
It's a book entitled "The Angry Clam"
48 posted on 08/20/2003 8:09:55 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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To: TheAngryClam
I saw that. Just couldn't load the "sample pages." So I don't know what it's about.

Do they get each other in the end?

49 posted on 08/20/2003 8:13:16 PM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: new cruelty
Board member Gail Lowe said then she was disappointed that many of the people who testified for or against certain textbooks hadn't actually read them.

"Textbooks! We don't need no stinkeen' textbooks!"

50 posted on 08/20/2003 8:20:20 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th% (Gleep...Gleep...)
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To: thulldud
I'm not spoiling the ending- it's too good.
51 posted on 08/20/2003 8:21:19 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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To: Dimensio
Why should a religious story be taught outside of a religious studies class at all? Further, Genesis is not the only "creation" story out there.

Why don’t they just teach Intelligent Design vs. stupid design?

You have obviously picked your “creation” story…

52 posted on 08/20/2003 8:24:41 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: SedVictaCatoni
And at least an hour of Navajo mythology, an hour of Hopi mythology, an hour of Tewa mythology, an hour of Zuni mythology, an hour of Apache mythology, etc. Then we can move out of New Mexico and into Utah for an hour of Ute mythology....

It would be a good way of being multicultural and anti-science at the same time; thus satisfying both Liberal and Conservative viewpoints.
53 posted on 08/20/2003 8:30:52 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Heartlander
What does ID predict, and how can it be falsified?
54 posted on 08/20/2003 8:35:06 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Russell Scott
According to many people, evolution is the most intelligent force in the universe.

Well those people aren't scientists, and aren't particularly well informed about science. Evolution is not a force, and it's not sentient. And it only works with biological organisms, so no cars or power plants.

56 posted on 08/20/2003 8:39:59 PM PDT by MattAMiller
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To: Conservinator
Even Darwin came back later in life and said that people "took the ramblings of a fool and made them into a religion" (paraphrased).

That's a myth. Not that it would matter. Science is about ideas, not the people who propose them.

I suppose you believe in the big bang theory too!! If that is the case, then let's blow up a printing company and see if a book is produced in the rubble!!

That's not a particluarly good analogy. But at least you recognise that evolution and the Big Bang are two different things.

57 posted on 08/20/2003 8:46:01 PM PDT by MattAMiller
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To: new cruelty
Why not teach them both?! I feel that the Book of Genesis is an alegorical teaching of how children and adults may understand how individuals in life are able to deal with each other. A usefull mythology for the study of how human beings interact. Evolution is a scientific fact for me in the world of science. Creationism and the Book of Genesis is a fact of Religion as concerns the various universal truths of Man's understanding of how Religion works. The entire book of Genesis should be taught in Chistian Sunday School on a regular basis such as to explain how human beings are able to build constructive relationships and unions with each other.
58 posted on 08/20/2003 8:50:31 PM PDT by Soliv123
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Ya know, I've often wondered why more high schools don't offer an elective course in comparative religion, or something similar. Not in science class, obviously, but as a course on its own.

This should really be off-topic for this thread - strangely, it probably isn't...

59 posted on 08/20/2003 8:56:29 PM PDT by general_re (A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.)
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To: gg188
Socialism. Evolution. Global warming. And the list of liberal scams goes on and on

Yep, and creationists are right there with the lefties, demanding "alternative views" be taught in the interest of "balance," "fairness" or "diversity," rather than standing for high and hard-nosed academic standards, like they should (and as the same individuals generally do wrt to history, mathematics, and any other subject). It does not represent "fairness" or "balance" to teach a doctrine which has failed to earn standing in professional scholarship as on a par with one that has. It represents intellectual affirmative action.

60 posted on 08/20/2003 9:06:16 PM PDT by Stultis
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