Moses Image (With 10 Commandments) Adorns U.S. Supreme Court Building

Self ^ | 8/20/2003 | Angkor

[angkor]

With regard to today's refusal to hear the case against Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, the court has at least delayed a legal decision about defacing its own hallowed halls.

It is likely well-known to the justices that the East Pediment of the Supreme Court showcases the image of Moses bearing the two tablets upon which the 10 Commandments are enscribed. In fact, Moses is front and center and indeed the largest figure in the entire sculpture.

Ironically, the Chief Justice's offices are immediately behind this portico.

Moses center stage on the USSC East Pediment, brandishing his illegal "Ten Commandments."

The sculpture, "Justice the Guardian of Liberty" by Herman McNeil contains the following elements (in McNeil's own words):

Law as an element of civilization was normally and naturally derived or inherited in this country from former civilizations. The “Eastern Pediment” of the Supreme Court Building suggests therefore the treatment of such fundamental laws and precepts as are derived from the East. Moses, Confucius and Solon are chosen as representing three great civilizations and form the central group of this Pediment. Flanking this central group— left — is the symbolical figure bearing the means of enforcing the law. On the right a group tempering justice with mercy, allegorically treated. The “Youth” is brought into both these groups to suggest the “Carrying on” of civilization through the knowledge imbibed of right and wrong. The next two figures with shields; Left — The settlement of disputes between states through enlightened judgment. Right — Maritime and other large functions of the Supreme Court in protection of the United States. The last figures: Left — Study and pondering of judgments. Right — A tribute to the fundamental and supreme character of this Court. Finale — The fable of the Tortoise and the Hare.

[sinkspur]

It should bother you a lot that you are in agreement with tpaine.

It doesn't, not on this issue.

But, I doubt it will become a habit.

[Publius6961]

Moses Image (With 10 Commandments) Adorns U.S. Supreme Court Building

Well, they're gonna have to go. Those are a insult to the penumbra that an idiot was allowed to invent a while back.

Replace them with the mohamed; this will both make the native PC idiots ecstatic about their tolerance and multicultural sensitivity, and the sandmaggots apoplectic about the insult to their more recently invented traditions.

[Publius6961]

How many times must it be said?

As many times as you want to. Doesn't mean a thing.
What's that got to do with anything?
Sounds like another opinion.

It's the same thing the nut on the corner keeps saying about "the end is near yada yada yada"

[tpaine]

mosby wrote: Of course we all know the law being referenced don't we? Problem is that quoting it would demonstrate the absurdity of its application in this case, so you won't do it, will you,

you sanctimonious prick.

By the way, the fact that a court has made a decision does not mean the decision is right. In this country because the rule of law applies, the court ruling must be obeyed, but that doesn't make it right. Judges are often wrong, so simply quoting the court decision as you did proves nothing. Why don't you give us the law, and better yet, the reason why you think the law applies to the facts in this case.

You sanctimomious prick.
-mosby-


You seem to have an obsession about pricks, mosby. Eat something, take two aspirin, and get some rest.

[expatguy]

bump

[tpaine]

Ask mosby for something to eat kevin. You two might share some tastes.

[tophat9000]

Does Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" or an atom have any thing to with the history of “Law “ and the legal system?

Have they denied a request for something of similar historical weight?

I did a googel search for History of the Law

The top hit was http://www.duhaime.org/Law_museum/hist.htm

This gave me "The Timetable of World Legal History"

It listed in order

2350 BC: Urukagina's Code,
2050 BC: Ur-Nammu's Code
1700 BC: Hammurabi's Code
1300 BC: The Ten Commandments
1280 BC to 880 BC: The Laws of Manu
621 BC: Draco's Law
600 BC: Lycergus' Law
550 BC: Solon's Laws
536 BC: The Book of Punishments
450 BC: The Twelve Tables

Now of that list I think most would agree “The Ten Commandments” is the most famous Law.... but did denied a request any thing else on that list....

Have they denied a request for something of similar historical weight?

Please note I did a googel search for “History of the Law” not History of the Religion

and I got "The Timetable of World Legal History" not "The Timetable of World Religious History"

So you would agree "The Ten Commandments" also history

But then again did denied a request any thing else on that list Have they denied a request for something of similar legal historical weight?

[mosby]

Hey, tpaine, I use the word "prick" once or twice, and all of a sudden the word "eat" starts appearing in your posts. Never knew till now you were inclined that way. How come we haven't seen you over on the Episcopalian gay Bishop threads?

[tpaine]

How come we haven't seen you over on the Episcopalian gay Bishop threads?

"We"? Cause I don't suck, mosby. You do.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...I think it's fair to say that cowardly little remark puts you right up with FR's great all-time lightweights like eschoir, ash, clarity, etc, aussie...

Now, now. That was meant to be a compliment.

Of sorts.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...I love our cousins... but they give up their guns too easily and kow tow to a state sponsored religion...

Bob, I've still got my guns. And Presbyterianism isn't state sponsored, here in Australia.

So qualify your love, no longer. Regards, By

[Robert_Paulson2]

but there IS a state authorized religion right?
Isn't it anglican or something close to that?

Are you still loyal to the Queen as head of the Church, or do you no longer sing that song?

not a debate, just a quesiton.

[weegee]

Better get out a chisel. Or maybe the Supremes can put one of those Taliban prisoners to work:

Taliban Orders Statues Destroyed, Including World's Tallest Standing Buddha

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...but there IS a state authorized religion right? Isn't it anglican or something close to that?...

Not in Australia, amigo. I think that's the UK only, where the Queen is the head of the Church of England?

Are you still loyal to the Queen as head of the Church, or do you no longer sing that song?

The Queen is Australia's titular head of state. That arrangement's served us very well. Cheers, By

[Tailgunner Joe]

All Moore's got to do is put Confucius and Solon alongside the 10 Commandments, and he'll likely be OK.

You sound like Caesar demanding that the Jews and Christians worship the emperor and the pagan gods.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Many people, including me, believe that having a single religous symbol in a Supreme Court building, to the exclusion of other symbols is creating the impression of establishment

An impression of an establishment is not an establishment. It's not an establishment of a religion just because of how you feel about it. This is the same mistake the left always makes, they don't understand the difference between persuasion and coercion.

It's not a law, it's a monument. The federal court isn't demanding that an unconstitutional law be overturned, they are demanding that a government official cease expressing his religious beliefs, which is forbidden by the other clause in the first amendment (you know the one).

[bets]

49 - What Moore can't do is use the platform of the state to promote his own personal beliefs, and exclude other viewpoints.

After reading this whole thread, I've come to realize that NONE OF YOU have heard the real basis for the judge's adamant justification for keeping the tablets. He is basing his justification on the State Constitution, which goes into great detail to recognize God and Biblical principles. His point is that the tablets reflect nothing more than the existing State Constitution's own words.

I think you'd all be surprised at the wording of many state's Constitutions. Maybe you should check the one out for your own state.

ANYWAY, if that's true, then the state's Constitution will also need to be revised ie REDACTED. They can't keep one and throw out the other. In other words.....IT'S ILLEGAL to throw out something that supports the state Constitution. But, alas, they didn't use logic, law, or reasoning to make their final decision. Bottomline, it's unConstitutional (per their own state). They screwed up. They're outside the law.

[Tailgunner Joe]

I have a sneaking suspicion that if Judge Moore had chosen to decorate the rotunda with Penthouse centerfolds or a portrait of Joseph Stalin, this notion that "only Judge Moore can decide what goes up" would fly right out the window without a second thought...

Yeah, but you think it should fly out the window when he erects the Ten Commandments. Funny how you think the Ten Commandments are as unnacceptable as pornography and the greatest mass murderer ever.

[bets]

What they should have done is revise the State Constitution first, THEN they could have legally gotten rid of the tablets. See?

[Tailgunner Joe]

But they would have no case if Moore agreed to include the Hammarabic code, and Solon, and Confucius in his display.

Moore, of course, will not do this,because he believes these expressions to be inferior to Christianity, and therein lies the problem.

So you are all right with him expressing his religious beliefs, just so as long as he admits that his religion is no more valid than other religions which contradict his own.

You seem to have a litmus test against Christians and Jews who don't share your own ecumenicist beliefs serving in government positions. You're as bad as the baby-killers who are attacking Bill Pryor.