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Is banning the Bible next?
Jerusalem Post ^ | Aug. 13, 2003 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/13/2003 5:44:16 AM PDT by yonif

If you live pretty much anywhere in the Western world these days, you'll notice a certain kind of news item cropping up with quiet regularity. The Irish Times had one last week.

As Liam Reid reported, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties has warned Catholic bishops that distributing the Vatican's latest statement on homosexuality could lead to prosecution under the 1989 Incitement to Hatred Act, and a six-month jail term.

"The document itself may not violate the Act, but if you were to use the document to say that gays are evil, it is likely to give rise to hatred, which is against the Act," says Aisling Reidy, director of the ICCL. "The wording is very strong and certainly goes against the spirit of the legislation."

No Irish bishop has actually called gays evil yet. But best to be on the safe side and shut down all debate.

From Dublin, let us zip 6,000 miles to Quesnel, a small paper-mill town in British Columbia. Chris Kempling is a high-school teacher and a Christian conservative and he likes writing letters to his local newspaper. In one of them he said that "homosexuality is not something to be applauded."

The regulatory body for his profession, the British Columbia College of Teachers, suspended him for a month without pay for "conduct unbecoming a member of the college."

No student, parent or fellow teacher at Correlieu Secondary School has ever complained about Mr. Kempling: he was punished by the BCCT for expressing an opinion in the paper. The British Columbia Civil Liberties Association supported the suspension, not because of anything he's done but because of what he might do in the future. He might discriminate against gay and lesbian students in the future. He hasn't done so yet, but, if we don't preemptively punish him now, he might well commit a hate crime somewhere down the road.

He didn't say gays are evil. But he did say homosexuality wasn't something to be applauded. And, if we start letting people decide who they are and aren't going to applaud, there's no telling where it will end. As in Dublin, best to be on the safe side and shut down all debate.

In Sweden, meanwhile, they've passed a constitutional amendment making criticism of homosexuality a crime, punishable by up to four years in jail. Expressing a moral objection to homosexuality is illegal, even on religious grounds, even in church. Those preachers may not be talking about how gays are evil this Sunday. But they might do next week, or next month. As in Ireland and British Columbia, best to be on the safe side and shut down all debate.

Anyone sense a trend here? Even in America, where the First Amendment (on freedom of expression) still just about trumps "hate crimes" law, you can see where things are headed.

A FEW weeks back, the Senate Judiciary Committee interrogated William Pryor, attorney-general of Alabama and President George W. Bush's nominee to the Circuit Court of Appeals. As part of an exhaustive effort to establish Pryor's unfitness for office, the Democrats delved into his history of homophobic vacationing.

Was it true, demanded Senator Russ Feingold, that "you even went so far as to reschedule a family vacation at Disney World in order to avoid Gay Day?" Gay Day is an annual event at Disney, and Pryor is a practicing Catholic.

Yes, he even went so far! "My wife and I had two daughters, who at the time of that vacation were six and four," replied Pryor.

"But are you saying," gasped Senator Feingold in mock astonishment, "that you actually made that decision on purpose to be away at the time of that?" He actually did! "We made a value judgment and changed our plan and went another weekend."

"Well, I appreciate your candor on that," said Feingold, like Perry Mason on cross-examination, after artfully trapping the witness into an irreparably damaging admission.

Gay Day has its sweet side - Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck walk around holding hands, and so do Minnie and Daisy. I always figured Mickey was gay anyway. But the photographic souvenirs of the day unearthed by National Review also included a man quaffing on a beer bottle rising out from the unzipped pants of another chap. I wouldn't advise any young lady visitor to Disney to try that with her boyfriend: The park is very rigorously policed the other 364 days of the year.

But the disinclination of a devout Catholic to expose his four-year-old to the delights of Gay Day now renders one unfit for public office. Which exactly is the love that dare not speak its name here?

Pryor hasn't made any anti-gay rulings, but he might do one day, if we allow him to go around avoiding gay carousing on his vacations. Best to be on the safe side and vote him down now. And any other Catholics who still take that jazz seriously.

THIRTY YEARS ago, in the early days of gay liberation, most of us assumed we were being asked to live and let live. But throughout the Western world, tolerance has become remarkably intolerant, and diversity demands ruthless conformity. In New Zealand, an appeals court upheld a nationwide ban on importing a Christian video Gay Rights/Special Rights: Inside The Homosexual Agenda.

In Saskatchewan, The Saskatoon Star-Phoenix was fined by the Human Rights Commission for publishing an advertisement quoting biblical passages on homosexuality. Fining publishers of the Bible surely can't be far off. The coerciveness of the most "liberal" cultures in the Western world is not a pretty sight.

Whatever happened to "live and let live?" If I can live with the occasional rustle from the undergrowth as I'm strolling through a condom-strewn park or a come-hither look from George Michael in the men's room, why can't gays live with the occasional expression of disapproval?

Christian opponents of gay marriage oppose gay marriage, they don't oppose the right of gays to advocate it. But increasingly gays oppose the right of Christians to advocate their beliefs. Gay activists have figured that instead of trying to persuade people to change their opinions, it's easier just to get them banned.

As Rodney King, celebrated black victim of the LAPD, once plaintively said, "Why can't we all just get along?"

But, if that's not possible, why can't we all just not get along? What's so bad about disagreement that it needs to be turned into a crime?

The writer is senior contributing editor for Hollinger Inc.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: antichristian; bible; billpryor; church; deathcultivation; endtimesbaby; gaydays; gays; god; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; incitementtohatred; judicialnominees; litmustest; marksteyn; marksteynlist; russfeingold; un; vatican
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1 posted on 08/13/2003 5:44:17 AM PDT by yonif
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To: yonif
Gays want Christians banned cause they would lose a real debate.
2 posted on 08/13/2003 5:48:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: yonif
God is watching. He will judge the sodomites.
3 posted on 08/13/2003 5:48:38 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Remember Baron 52: Not all the POW/MIAs came home.)
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To: yonif
Steyn is great.

I maintain that some folks have been trying to destroy everything that they can for a long time. They used to call themselves Marxists. They used to believe that "class warfare" was a great weapon. But, nowadays, most people realize that they might get richer later -- or they might get poorer. So, class warfare will probably bite them at some point in life -- which is why most people do not approve of class warfare.

However, sexual warfare is much better. Not too many people change sides in that war (though some do). And if the minority view can triumph, it can cause serious damage to just about everything: marriage, faith, personal responsibility. All of that goes out the window if homosexuality becomes normalized.

So, the people who have been trying to destroy as much as they can (they've been at it since at least the French Revolution) are now putting all their efforts toward normalizing homosexuality.

4 posted on 08/13/2003 5:56:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: yonif
The Bible is already practically banded in many areas with
the advent of hundred's of so called newer and better
transactions. The Bible says that all Scripture was given
by Inspiration and I am sure that it was only done one time
by an all knowing God. Since 1881 many are taking part in so-called Bibles that change the Word of God to make it say what they believe, or seem to believe, is popular. God never changes, get to know Him, and ask Him for a Word of Wisdom and you won't go wrong.
5 posted on 08/13/2003 6:00:07 AM PDT by twowilliam (twowilliam)
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To: yonif
For those who think the abominable before a holy God is in any way acceptable...

Malachi Ch.2 Vv.1-4
And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

6 posted on 08/13/2003 6:02:25 AM PDT by azhenfud (For every government action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
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To: yonif
Banning the bible is already here, at least certain "offensive" passages, in some countries. This trend appears to be spreading. The next logical step is outlawing Christianity altogether, then martyrdom.
7 posted on 08/13/2003 6:12:25 AM PDT by Manic_Episode
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To: yonif
Revival happens when you have a a sawed-off shotgun in one hand and the bible in the other....
8 posted on 08/13/2003 6:17:36 AM PDT by Naspino
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To: yonif
IMHO, declaring "homosexuality is not something to be applauded" is in direct opposition to thinking being fomented. Quite simply, homosexuals have fewer offspring, and fewer offspring has become desired policy at every level of power, so homosexuality HAS BECOME something to be applauded as a matter of policy.

Contrary to popular thought, it's not just at the U.N., but that would-be world governing organizaztion has helped greatly in coercing negative population growth. Click on keyword or bumplist Death Cultivation for more info.

And don't be misled by being told that Malthusian thinking is allegedly discredited The concerns it posed are still taught in government schools. "Too many people, not enough resources."

Believers of the Bible pose a standing opposition to this thinking. "God will provide."

Of course the British Columbia College of Teachers found another excuse to condemn the teacher's published statement. The teacher wasn't innocent and found guilty of any crime. He wasn't innocent and found guilty of any crime he might commit. But he was guilty of advocating policy that runs contrary to policy. Whether or not negative population growth is a declared policy, that policy intruding on each human's choice for their posterity everywhere. And on even what they choice to say even though they don't know how what they said should raise such a ruckus.
9 posted on 08/13/2003 6:17:57 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla; *Death Cultivation
corrections to last paragraph of #9:

Of course the British Columbia College of Teachers found another excuse to condemn the teacher's published statement. The teacher wasn't innocent and found guilty of any crime. He wasn't innocent and found guilty of any crime he might commit. But he was guilty of advocating thinking that runs contrary to policy.

Whether or not negative population growth is a declared policy, that policy is intruding on each human's choice for their posterity everywhere. And on even what they choice to say even though they don't know how what they said should raise such a ruckus.

10 posted on 08/13/2003 6:27:52 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
overlooked correction:


11 posted on 08/13/2003 6:30:28 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: yonif
The fall of the West??
12 posted on 08/13/2003 6:38:47 AM PDT by Cronos (Sanity and slam don't mix, consult your Imam...)
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To: yonif
I have a problem with the denial of rights to anyone because of what it says in the Bible; this is part of why we're at the point we are now with the gay issue. The other part of course is the gay/lesbian tendency toward extremism.
My embrace of the Bible means that I don't have to condone or approve of it on a personal level.
In my case, as an Episcopalian for most of my life, I now have to face the task of leaving my church, and my first question is Where? A schism would make that choice much easier.
My next question, as I see the attacks on religion in general from many fronts, is Do I need a church at all? Because the unchecked movement toward a Godless New World Order may soon mean that churches will be banned, as they were in the Soviet Union. It's hard to imagine an America where you have to hide your Bible and attend church underground with someone watching for prowling jack-booted ATF agents.
13 posted on 08/13/2003 6:41:28 AM PDT by Marauder (Throw the rascals out.)
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To: yonif
And now several justices on the SCOTUS have begun traveling overseas to talk to their counterparts as they feel foreign culture and norms are relevant to interpretations of US law. And I thought we fought a war to free ourselves of that control and influence. As Steyn points out, this juggernaut is still in it's infancy in the US; however, we need to go along to get along. This is going to get real ugly.
14 posted on 08/13/2003 6:45:09 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: bereanway
Yes, you are correct. The prospects are great that things will be getting really ugly.

Especially under cover of that new phrase "compelling state interests." You know the one. In the pursuit of "diversity" it was used in the Michigan Law School case to openly violate the 15th Ammendment.

That phrase may now be used to violate every aspect of the constitution. Unless Congress acts. Seen any activity of that nature?
15 posted on 08/13/2003 6:56:37 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: Manic_Episode
The next logical step is outlawing Christianity altogether, then martyrdom.

Bring it on.

16 posted on 08/13/2003 6:57:54 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: Skooz
Yup. I be ready.
17 posted on 08/13/2003 7:09:15 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Animal rights activists can KMA)
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To: yonif
Forget being gainfully employed if anyone discovers that you believe in that silly faith of Christianity AND that you believe homosexuality is an abomination.

If you don't hold approved thoughts, and don't think the way you are told to think, then you are doomed to lead a difficult life in this world.

Sigh. What a world.

d
18 posted on 08/13/2003 7:10:42 AM PDT by dnandell ("you've heard of plato, aristotle, socretes?" "yes" "morons")
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To: yonif
"The document itself may not violate the [Incitement to Hatred] Act, but if you were to use the document to say that gays are evil, it is likely to give rise to hatred, which is against the Act," says Aisling Reidy, director of the ICCL.

If homos held a march in front of a Godly church, and heteros got mad about it, would the homos be arrested for incitement to hatred?
If someone gets mad about something, we all know we are supposed to stay in the law to get justice. Even if I make you mad, I cannot be held responsible for your subsequent actions.
WOW! Isn't that a hoot? Being held responsible for your own actions: "Yeah?! Well, he made me do it!"

The Bible says true Christians will be vilified in the end days. I just hope I'm around to see homos and their supporters get their come-uppance.
Oooops! Did I just a non-PC? Did I Incite to Hatred?

19 posted on 08/13/2003 7:21:12 AM PDT by jeffc
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To: dnandell
I remember reading a quote by some one-world-government, New Age, I'd-like-to-teach-the-world-to-sing type who said something to the order of: "Yes, Christians have a right to say those things, but they have no right to THINK those things."
20 posted on 08/13/2003 7:23:28 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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