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To: discostu
What you don't seem to be willing to acknowledge is that your argument is a statist's argument. The real issue should be: Have our rights been violated by receiving an unsolicited phone call? Not unless that caller has crossed the boundary into harrassment.

You just keep repeating, "We've given them a chance, and they screwed up," over and over again. Again, statists can say the same about ANYTHING, but that is not a justification for outlawing something. Rather, you'd have to show that they violated your rights. And, though salespeople are annoying, they're not violating your rights until they cross the boundary into harrassment.

All this list does is criminalize cold calling. And maybe most people are glad about that (I certainly won't miss it, either). My point is that it's just one more step into the big government direction, and it will hurt business.

BTW, even with "cold calling," most telephone sales companies already work with lists of people who might be interested; that is, they've already screened out the people who are a waste of time and money to call. Now, they won't even be able to call the "potential" customers.

Again, no sweat off your back. The point is that this DNC list WILL hurt business. How much so remains to be seen. It will be interesting to see just how much it hurts.
271 posted on 08/13/2003 1:22:08 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
No it's not. What you're unwilling to aknowledge is that we tried this without government intervention and the telemarketers drove their entire business through the loophole.

The answer to that question is YES, because, and I've told you this before THEY ARE STEALING OUT SERVICE. We have a right not to be stolen from.

no the list does NOT criminalize cold calling. That is a DAMED LIE. They can still do plenty of cold calling, just not to people on the list. They've only got 30 million people on the list, they're expecting it to double. There's 280 million people in this country, even if every single number represents 2 people that still leaves 160 million people they can call.

BWAHAHAHAHA that's the stupidest freaking statement on this thread. The telemarketers don't screen their lists at all. Most of them don't even bother to find out if the number exists, they just go through sequences starting with a prefix and cycling from 0001 to 9999. I think what's happened here is you did telesales at someplace that wasn't a telemarketing company and have ASSumed their methods were the methods of the industry. They aren't. If they pre-screened calls I wouldn't get the same damn call every single week for the last 6 months trying to sell me a new roof, after three months of not returning the call they would know I'm not interested, and if they'd bothered to do a number lookup they'd know I rent and can't make the decision even if I was interested.

Some businesses get hurt by laws, that's life. The question is, should the business be immune from the law because of the good it does. Stealing people's phone service to try to sell them stuff doesn't warrant this immunity. And again, it's an old issue. They've been under order to make these lists for YEARS, they just found loopholes to make their lists useless. And finally enough became enough and now they're going to be GIVEN the list.
272 posted on 08/13/2003 1:33:53 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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To: Tired of Taxes
The real issue should be: Have our rights been violated by receiving an unsolicited phone call after publicly posting an express Do Not Call prohibition?

Question corrected to address the real issue.

290 posted on 08/14/2003 8:32:58 AM PDT by steve-b
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