MEASURABLE 14C IN FOSSILIZED ORGANIC MATERIALS: CONFIRMING THE YOUNG EARTH CREATION-FLOOD MODEL

http://www.icr.org/research/icc03/pdf/RATE_ICC_Baumgardner.pdf ^

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PDF file.

[Terriergal]

You remember the old puzzle as to whether the owl came from the egg or the egg from the owl. The modern acquiescence in universal evolutionism is a kind of optical illusion, produced by attending exclusively to the owls emergence from the egg. We are taught from childhood to notice how the perfect oak grows from the acorn and to forget that the acorn itself was dropped by a perfect oak. We are reminded constantly that the adult human being was an embryo, never that the life of the embryo came from two adult human beings. We love to notice that the express engine of today is the descendant of the "rocket;" we do not equally remember that the " Rocket" springs not from some even more rudimentary engine, but from something much more perfect and complicated than itself-namely, a man of genius. The obviousness or naturalness which most people seem to find in the idea of emergent evolution thus seems to be a pure hallucination. -- CS Lewis

[Right Wing Professor]

I would not want to be called a liberal either.

You are only liberal in the sense of broad-minded or generous, AG.

[Terriergal]

On these grounds and others like them one is driven to think that whatever else may be true, the popular scientific cosmology at any rate is certainly not. I left that ship not at the call of poetry but because I thought it could not keep afloat. Something like philosophical idealism or Theism must, at the very worst, be less untrue than that. And idealism turned out, when you took it seriously, to be disguised Theism. And once you accepted Theism you could not ignore the claims of Christ. And when you examined them it appeared to me that you could adopt no middle position. Either he was a lunatic, or God. And He was not a lunatic. --CS Lewis

[Terriergal]

Whatever happened to those land bridges? They weren't there 4000 years ago?

[Alamo-Girl]

Why, thank you so very very much! Hugs!!!

[Terriergal]

I thought you'd like this:

from CS Lewis on Evolution I was taught at school, when I had done a sum, to "prove my answer." The proof or verification of my Christian answer to the cosmic sum is this. When I accept Theology I may find difficulties, at this point or that, in harmonising it with some particular truths which are embedded in the mythical cosmology derived from science. But I can get in, or allow for, science as a whole. Granted that Reason is prior to matter and that the light of that primal Reason illuminates finite minds, I can understand how men should come, by observation and inference, to know a lot about the universe they live in. If, on the other hand, I swallow the scientific cosmology as a whole, then not only can I not fit in Christianity, but I cannot even fit in science. If minds are wholly dependent on brains, and brains on biochemistry, and biochemistry (in the long run) on the meaningless flux of the atoms, I cannot understand how the thought of those minds should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees. And this is to me the final test. This is how I distinguish dreaming and waking. When I am awake I can, in some degree, account for and study my dream. The dragon that pursued me last night can be fitted into my waking world. I know that there are such things as dreams: I know that I had eaten an indigestible dinner: I know that a man of my reading might be expected to dream of dragons. But while in the nightmare I could not have fitted in my waking experience. The waking world is judged more real because it can thus contain the dreaming world: the dreaming world is judged less real because it cannot contain the waking one. For the same reason I am certain that in passing from the scientific point of view to the theological, I have passed from dream to waking. Christian theology can fit in science, art, morality, and the sub-Christian religions. The scientific point of view cannot fit in any of these things, not even science itself. I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else. -- The Oxford Socratic Club, 1944. pp. 154-165

It's nice to read something you've thought for a long time but couldn't quite as eloquently put into words, isn't it?

[Terriergal]

Thanks for alerting me to Lewis's questioning of evolution. I really must read more of his stuff... right now I read about three pages of any book and fall asleep at night (three kids, two dogs). And right now I'm on a Tom Clancy kick. (_Rainbow Six_ and now _Without Remorse_)

[clamper1797]

I can see it now, Noah sneaking from nesting site to nesting site stealing eggs/young of T-Rex, Allosaurus, Albertosaurus, Velociraptor, etc.. That would be more of a story than sitting in a boat for 40 days

Actually the animals you described never really existed ... In reality Satan "planted" all those fossils there to trick man ....

[Bluntpoint]

Actually the animals you described never really existed ... In reality Satan "planted" all those fossils there to trick man ....

Steve Spielburg fell for it hook, line and Albertosaurus!!!

Ha, ha, ha... he is going to have to reimburse all of us who bought tickets for his "Jurasic Park" series. Ha, ha, ha!!!!!!

[Labyrinthos]

Another 3,000 post thread in the making.

We're now up to 547 posts. What's the "over/under" on this thread and where can I place my bet?

(What amazes me is that the same people who view this so-called scientific study -- which has not been published or replicated by the scientific community -- as the final word on creationism, are the same people that complain the loudest against the junk science used to prove global warming and the dangers of second hand smoke.)

[SengirV]

It's also quite possible that many species had been extinct by that time.

So would dinosaurs be concidered clean or unclean animals? Imagine seven pairs of each sauropod!!!! You need to go back and read some of my earlier posts where I mention this - post #123.

What always strikes me funny, is that YECs always point to microevolution as the solution of all their problems. Terriergal suggest that you only need one sauropod to make the rest. So microevolution would account from vast size differneces of 35 meters and 40 tons. Yet they cannot point to anything even close to that happening in the last 1/3 of the age of the universe. Humans average a couple inches taller over the last two thousand years, that's about it.

[Bluntpoint]

For the same reason I am certain that in passing from the scientific point of view to the theological, I have passed from dream to waking.

I dream of gravity, but it does not exist.

I dream of physics, but it does not exist.

I dream of chemistry, but it does not exist.

[Nataku X]

Look at Genesis 2:15-17 and tell me to whom God promises immorality. Specifically... tell me to whom God does NOT promise immorality (e.g., Spork the Kitten).

[longshadow]

Cephied variable placemarker

[Right Wing Professor]

Whatever happened to those land bridges?

Not to New Zealand. It's surrounded by wide, deep ocean. It has no native land mammals. It has bats and seals - no problem there. But the flightless birds - and there were far more species of flightless birds there before the Maoris came and killed most of them off - must have flown there at one time, and then evolved flightlessness.

[clamper1797]

What amazes me is that the same people who view this so-called scientific study -- which has not been published or replicated by the scientific community -- as the final word on creationism, are the same people that complain the loudest against the junk science used to prove global warming and the dangers of second hand smoke.

You have to understand that the ends (your salvation) justifies the means (Junk Science).

BUT also remember that believing in evolution is heresy and could land you in that eternal fire pit in a cell right next to Hitler Qusay and Uday ... after all ... one sin no matter how small or how heinous is all it takes to land you there ... forever ... no chance to learn the errors of your ways ... no chance to redeem yourself .... just pure revenge (/what a crock of crap mode OFF)

[Theophilus]

Good heavens, no! We wouldn't want any of those sinners coming in and getting the place dirty

No, we're all sinners, that's obvious. But we're not all believers. Unbelievers don't belong in the church because it makes no sense. How can one subscribe to something one doesn't believe in? Can a believer be within the pale of orthodoxy and still hold to evolution? I'll let God be the judge, but I'll venture to say that such a person must have great difficulty reconciling the validity of any scripture. Nested between creation and the flood was the onset of Original Sin. If Original Sin and man's enmity with God is jive talking serpent fiction, then who needs a savior? The "cold, scientific" etc mind of your friend must really recoil against the resurrection, should we discard that too? Then what's left?

[PatrickHenry]

Origin of "Cepheus" (from some fast Google work):
Perseus slew Medusa, the mother of Pegasus, and rescued Andromeda, the daughter of Cepheus and Cassiopeia, from the sea monster Cetus. Although Cepheus is not a very bright constellation, it is located in a rather empty part of the sky near the North Pole, so it is not too difficult to find.

[js1138]

;^)

[js1138]

(Is this name calling?)

No.