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National Review Online ^ | 8-11-03 | Victor Davis Hanson

[anglian]

Victor Davis Hanson
Topic: Our Current War is not New — 1:04:34
Major Issues Lecture Series

Topic: Terrorism

Friday, March 28, 2003


RealAudio: http://ashbrook.org/events/lecture/2003/hanson.html

[Tailgunner Joe]

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[Tailgunner Joe]

I don't have a ping list for this topic yet but you might like this article.

[Cool Guy]

Had Mr. Atta and his fellow killers been arrested on probable cause, their Islamic haunts raided, and assorted charities and fundraisers shut down on September 10, 2001 — cries of racism, profiling, and McCarthyism would have drowned out the purportedly farfetched excuses that such preemptory FBI raids had in fact saved thousands in Manhattan.

It did happen. The FBI raided an ISP in Dallas related to 911, a week before 911 happened. This raid was done with a closed warrant and people were out in the streets protesting this raid. There was a thread here in FR about that, a week before 911. Feel free to link it if you come across it.

[Lurker]

You really need to read Ann Coulters book.

Regards,

L

[Noumenon]

Got it. Great book. Coulter's one of my daughter's role models.

[Lurker]

Your daughter has some fine role models indeed my friend.

Take care,

L

[Noumenon]

We eat, work and play with these traitors everyday. We treat them with respect when they deserve none. We allow them to hold their rallies, and spout their lies with impunity. This must change. It's time to realize that liberal/socialists don't use the same thought processes that we do, and as such cannot be reasoned with. They only understand force.

Ironic, isn't it, that these self-professed 'peace-lovers' invariably resort to the gun and the gulag as their final argument. History makes my case.

Without any real consequences for their traitorous behavior, they are simply emboldened. Conservatives must become actively and loudly intolerant of liberal/socialists. Concede them nothing. They must be publicly scorned, ridiculed and shunned. Do not associate with them socially. Don't play with their children. Refuse to do business with them. Refuse to hire or work with them. Ignore their pleas for sustenance.

This is precisely what needs to happen. It's what I have practiced for some time now. In their face and on their case. It's what I'm teaching my kids. No 'tolerance' for evil.

Continuance on the current path of "tolerance" will result in bloodshed.

You are unfortunately correct. We won't fire the first shot, but we shall surely finish whatever they start, and with extreme prejudice. It's just about that time, too. This next election cycle could be the flashpoint. Or a certain monument in Alabama.

[Noumenon]

This also personifies the essence of the DemocRAT party:

"An organization, however streamlined and efficient, is made up of erring human beings, and in those years when Hitler was shaping his party to take over Germany's destiny he had his fill of troubles with his chief lieutenants, who constantly quarreled not only among themselves but with him."

He, who was so monumentally intolerant by his very nature, was strangely tolerant of one human condition - a man's morals. No other party in Germany came near to attracting so many shady characters. As we have seen, a conglomeration of pimps, murderers, homosexuals, alcoholics and blackmailers flocked to the party as if to a natural haven."

William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, 30th Anniversary edition, pp 173

[Lurker]

"It's time to realize that liberal/socialists don't use the same thought processes that we do, and as such cannot be reasoned with."

I said to my father in law the other night on the phone that I thought being a liberal was some kind of mental disorder. I used as a proof the fact that he was blaming the recall of Gray Davis on a plot by Republicans in Texas.

I told him he sounded like he was suffering from paranoid delusions.

"They only understand force"

I doubt they really 'understand' force at all. They may know how to use it, they may fear it, but I don't think they really understand it at all.

As far as Alabama goes, what are they going to do? Send it Marshalls to remove a monument? I forget who said it, but someone once said "They've made their ruling, now let them enforce it."

I have a feeling they'll be walking over a lot of people in order to do it.

Anyway, one things for sure. The worlds qetting pretty damned squirrely. All I know is that Clan Lurker is keeping its ammo dry and our options open.

Take care of yourselves,

L

[Noumenon]

I'd have loved to have heard your father-in-law's response to that one. It's like I tell the kids - you can't have any kind of rational debate with someone who lacks the price of admission - a respect for facts, reason, logic and truth. The twins know that when your opponent resorts to name-calling, they've already lost the argument. After that, they only thing they've got is force.

Evie cracked me up the other day - she said that when her biological Dad and her stepmother - spiral-eyed liberal fanatics, both - 'argue' with her, they end up sounding like the courtroom audience in a South Park episode. She says they sound like, "Arararararararar."