Posted on 08/07/2003 8:27:02 PM PDT by AZ GRAMMY
Second arrest made in immigrant incident
BY LOUIE VILLALOBOS, Staff Writer Aug 7, 2003
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Yuma County sheriff's deputies have arrested a second man in connection with the alleged unlawful detention of six illegal immigrants on July 31 in Gadsden.
Alexander David Dumas, 26, was arrested Tuesday evening after driving to Yuma from his home in Big Bear Lake, Calif., for an interview, said sheriff's spokesman Lt. Eben Bratcher.
Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment following the early morning July 31 incident where deputies said he and Matthew Paul Hoffman, arrested on the same charges on Monday, detained a group of six illegal immigrants that had just entered the United States through the Colorado River.
A third man, Martin Hoffman Jr., was with the two suspects but won't be charged because he was not armed and did not take part in the handcuffing of the illegal immigrants, Bratcher said.
Bratcher said the department will continue to investigate the case and warned citizens against taking the law into their own hands.
He said anyone who sees a group of suspected illegal immigrants should call the Border Patrol, and not take it upon themselves to apprehend the group by using guns and handcuffs. Asking a group to stay put while making a phone call is permitted and would constitute a citizen's arrest, he said.
"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."
Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.
Agents have said they were dispatched to the scene when a surveillance camera operator noticed the incident unfolding. The agents called the sheriff's department, who then identified and interviewed all three men before letting them go, officials said.
Bratcher said the men are not believed to be part of a larger group, such as the citizen patrol groups that operate on private property along the Tucson border and use various forms of technology to alert Border Patrol agents to the presence of illegal immigrants in the area.
Also being charged with five counts of endangerment is a 16-year-old Mexican national who Bratcher said was paid $600 to bring the illegal immigrants into the United States. Bratcher also said the illegal immigrants were planning to meet with a taxi cab in Gadsden and were to be taken to a unidentified Yuma hotel, according to interviews done of the illegal immigrants by detectives.
William Robbins, Border Patrol spokesman, said the six illegal immigrants were in the agency's custody as of Wednesday morning but couldn't be interviewed.
Hugo Oliva, Mexican consul in Yuma, said the group was in good condition following the incident and that his office is encouraged by the sheriff's department's efforts regarding this case.
"This is a very disturbing thing to happen here," Oliva said. "We can't have people with guns do the job of law enforcement agencies."
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Tell that to the vigilante clowns who are being charged with felonies.
Good point.
Easy. In order to make a citizen's arrest in Arizona a person must have witnessed the misdemeanor. These clowns were 10 miles from the border, and unless Superman loaned them his X-ray eyeballs, there is no chance they actually witnessed any crime except their own felonies of aggravated assault and false imprisonment.
I really don't think they should be searching them. Detaining them for police is one thing - searching them in detail is quite another.
In this economy you already have more unemployed. We just have to make sure that the social services intended to help those Americans in time of need aren't being sucked up by a bunch of border-hopping bloodsuckers like they are now.
Oh, and why would you object to using the threat of capital punishment to deter invasion? It just might work. Whaddaya say? It could just inspire the invading sponges to do something to fix that rathole they're fleeing in droves.
They are so being charged. Read the story.
If one is going to rail against illegal immigration it would behoove one to not commit crimes in doing so.
I must have missed it, so could you please link me to the thread where you have complained about illegal aliens breaking our laws? You seem to be really worried about people who break the law.
These men handcuffed the illegal aliens, taking them into custody. That is not assault. If it was assault every police officer that ever made an arrest would be brought up on charges. You are lying when you say the women and children were assaulted. In the report the INS says the illegal aliens were unharmed.
These men watched these illegal immigrants traverse through a sparsely populated area. They witnessed them coming from the direction of the border. They were able to recognize their attire as that of illegal immigrants. They were absolutely right, so please don't say the didn't witness a crime. They certainly did. These people were breaking the law at the moment they were apprehended. They didn't just break the law at the border, they continued to do so every moment they are on out soil, so your comment that they didn't witness a misdemeanor being perped is ridiculous.
Nice post BTW. Everthing in it was ripped to shreds, but I'm sure that won't stop you from embarassing yourself again.
Face, heart, arm, toe. It's still aggravated assault and unlawful detention.
"When you have someone holding someone against their will with the use or the threat of the use of force, you've crossed the line between a citizen's arrest and unlawful detention," he said. "There was no justification for the use of force."Deputies said the two men handcuffed five members of the group, which included three children and two women, and held them at gunpoint until U.S. Border Patrol agents arrived.
There's the kernel of a new doctrine here: America doesn't hand out free immigration tickets anymore as a salve to its developed nation conscience. We require nations with those clamoring to escape here to solve their own problems at home instead.
America for Americans!
You are free to choose to read the actual news story, or ignore it.
Dumas was charged with six counts of aggravated assault and five counts of unlawful imprisonment ...
When you go into a gas-station and rob the clerk, you are committing a crime. When you leave and drive down the street, you are no longer committing a crime. When you cross into the U.S. illegally, you are committing a crime. When you drive down the street afterwards, you are still committing a crime - since it is your prescence within the borders that is the crime.
If the people were here illegally, then the people making the arrest were, in fact, witnessing the crime. The main issue is - they'd better be right, and they'd better not use excessive force.
Well, people are not charged with being in the country illegally, but with entering the country illegally. I don't write the laws, I just report on them.
No, the issue is: they'd better not commit any felonies trying to stop a misdemeanor.
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