ArnoldGovernor.net (correct thread)

ArnoldGovernor.net (elephantparty.com - temporary) ^ | 8/6/2003 | Jagrmeister

[jagrmeister]

CALLING ALL Arnold Schwarzenegger Supporters:

I am announcing the creation of ArnoldGovernor.net . I have reserved the domain, but the site is up right now at a temporary URL which can be seen here (www.elephantparty.com). I am a Californian and a conservative - and I can say with certainty that Arnold represents the best chance we have of claiming California's governorship. I am posting this site for your review.

First, the others in the race. Bill Simon and Tom McClintock are both fine men, but they have lost important statewide races in the past. Simon lost a race against Davis last year which should have been a cakewalk given Davis' record. Most political analysts agree that Simon ran one of the worst campaigns in recent memory. McClintock is a virtual unknown statewide (let's not get fooled by our own echo chamber). The KEY to remember is that we have

Only 2 months (8 weeks) until Election Day. There is NO time to run someone who Californians have rejected in the past or a virtual unknown. For those who have leaned towards either of them, I'm appealing to your sense of reason to get behind someone with the best shot of winning. Now, why should we elect Arnold?

Arnold is a fiscal conservative but moderate otherwise. His stance on abortion will matter less than you might think- that's a matter for Supreme Court justices which the California governor has no say about. He is pro-business, pro-entrepreneurship, and tough on crime (witness his Proposition 49 which aims to reduce juvenille crime - a major, largely unaddressed component of crime). He is an "American by choice" and is very patriotic. People look at him and think "It's okay to be a Republican". With Schwarzenegger pulling a Total Recall on Grey Davis, Bush may actually find that California is friendly territory in 2004.

I am looking for pro-Arnold supporters to help:

1. Pitching Arnold's candidacy

2. Graphics design- create compelling visuals that are pro-Arnold or anti-Davis

3. Anyone else that wants to be pinged for pro-Arnold events.

4. Coming up with good one liners, spin, updates, opposition research, etc.

Let's team up! Thanks!!

Once I get your suggestions, I will update the site and in a few days, it will be at ArnoldGovernor.net . Thanks all Freepers for your help.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

McClintock is the Alan Keyes of this race.

[Mike the lurker]

Well if you were using mozilla, that might work, besides I'm only interested in losing that guys picture, not losing the ability to view any images while I surf the web.

[fieldmarshaldj]

"McClintock is the Alan Keyes of this race."

If that's a comment on his electability, it's baloney. McClintock IS an elected official. Keyes never ran a close race for any office (but he chose a poor state to run in with Maryland, and the state apparatus, which isn't much better than Massachusetts', did nothing to help him). It's clear that Ah-nold is the Hillary Clinton of this race, with her husband's sex drive.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

It means that his supporters would cut off their nose to spite their face. He can't win this race, no way in the world. This is Arnold's race to win. McClintock has ideas that are completely unworkable within the California Constitution, but that doesn't stop him from saying that he will do it.

Back McClintock, that's your choice, but he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. He's not even a blip on the radar screen.

[Jay D. Dyson]

Well if you were using mozilla, that might work, besides I'm only interested in losing that guys picture, not losing the ability to view any images while I surf the web.

The "Block images" is server-specific. If you'd have just right-clicked on that image you didn't like, then any image from that server would have been blocked; not all images from all servers.

You sure you can operate that thing without inflicting self-injury?

-Jay

[Jay D. Dyson]

[Ramius]

If you keep repeating falsehoods, do you think it will be believed ? This is a great mantra of the left. They repeated this garbage 37 years ago with Reagan.

Hey, I'm on your side, but have you even *been* to CA lately? A lot of really bad things have happened since Ronnie was there. Only forty years ago Cuba was a better place to live too. Most of the conservative influence has given up and moved out. But all of this is an interesting and yet pointless exercise. McClintock is going to get fewer votes than Larry Flynt, and you can take that to the bank. The real question is what to do now. It would appear that the race is Arnold's to lose. I completely agree that he's soft on a couple of key issues, but my opinion on the matter doesn't matter either. He might be the next governor, or a democrat will be the next governor.

[swheats]

McClintock and other viable candidates should support Arnold if he has any chance of winning. And Schwarzenegger should clean house and place them in his administration.

Either this is truly about California's restoration or this is about individual egos.

[Jay D. Dyson]

Oh...FYI:

You're welcome.

-Jay

[Ramius]

127.0.0.1 is "localhost". That's your own computer.

[Jay D. Dyson]

127.0.0.1 is "localhost". That's your own computer.

I think he knows that...but he doesn't understand the ramifications.

-Jay

[luckystarmom]

I'm supporting Arnold because he is supposed to be business savvy, he has a degree in economics, and we need someone to fix up the fiscal mess that this state is in. The budget is the main issue in this election, bottomline. We need someone who can fix it. McClintock may be the man, but I have only heard of him through free republic. I doubt most of the people that live around me know who he is, and I'm in a conservative part of San Jose (Almaden Valley).

[meyer]

A "real" conservative will never, ever, be elected again in California. I don't like it much either but that's the way it is.

That's the most important statement of the thread. I'm torn (though I'm also lucky to NOT be living in California). I like many aspects of Arnold - he is very schrewd, bright, and has a very strong business sense. Economically, if he can work with the legislature, he has as good a chance of repairing the state budget as anybody and he can carry the supporting legislators upwards with him.

But there's a dark side to Arnold. He's not pro-life and, more importantly, he's not pro-second amendment. Why do I say "more importantly"? Because the second amendment provides the only teeth that 'we the people' have to enforce the constitution. Without it, all other constitutional rights are meaningless in the long run.

My take - as an outsider, I'm not going to offer my support unless Arnold backs off on the second amendment - that's my final litmus test.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

I'm in a conservative part of San Jose (Almaden Valley).

Hey!! I am from Saratoga!

[luckystarmom]

I don't believe that Julia Roberts went to college. Some celebrities are educated, and some are not. You cannot make a blanket statement like that about celebrities.

Arnold is educated, and a successful businessman.

[luckystarmom]

What do you think McClintock's chances are???? You're from the same area. I just don't think he's electable.

[Ramius]

Understood... hey, I wish everybody were as conservative as me but that just ain't case.

With regard to the abortion issue and California Governors, it makes for interesting discussion but it isn't relevant to the job of governor. A governor has zero input for how many abortions are performed. It's too bad, but it just doesn't matter. He could be virulently anti-abortion but the governor's office doesn't have the power to ban it.

With regard to 2nd amendment issues, this one gets a little more traction. California is already pretty well screwed up for gun owners (are the any left?) but it's a fair point. But be careful here: Which democrat running is more favorably disposed toward gun ownership? That's the actual question. Will Larry Flynt be better? Maybe the Lt Gov? Nope. This one is really too bad, but it doesn't matter either.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

What do you think McClintock's chances are???? You're from the same area. I just don't think he's electable.

Somewhere between slim and none.

[meyer]

Which democrat running is more favorably disposed toward gun ownership?

Probably precious few - but on the other hand, there are a ton of candidates on the right, many of which will support or at least be neutral on the second. I can't speak for the electability of any of the candidates, since there's so many of them and I'm not all that familiar with the local politics.

To be honest, I can't bet on a dog in this race as I live in Tennessee, but I'm not averse to providing modest financial and verbal support. Right now, I'm withholding that support. C'mon, Arnold, back off on the gun issue. Its all the citizens have left.

[Ramius]

You're right that there are many candidates on the right, and thankfully on the left as well. All but a few will end up getting just the fringe vote on either side. Statistics being what they are, a couple of candidates will rise to the top and the contest will actually be between them, quite irrespective of whatever the others do.

I agree that the gun issue is Arnold's weakest point with the right. I don't, however, really see it becoming either a campaign issue or a major issue during the next governor's tenure (remember, there's only ONE year until the next general election). I don't see him going on a big anti-gun crusade. There's way bigger issues to go after.

Also, all this anti-gun stuff that people have on Arnold is only based on ONE (1) quote from some interview some time ago. It's not like it's a plank in his platform. What guns would he go after anyway? California already has about the most draconian gun laws. I just don't think it is going to be an issue in this campaign.