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White-Collar Exodus
ABC News ^ | July 29, 2003 | Betsy Stark

Posted on 08/03/2003 7:42:08 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan

Michael Emmons thought he knew how to keep a job as a software programmer.

"You have to continue to keep yourself up to speed," he said. "If you don't, you'll get washed out."

Up to speed or not, Emmons wound up being "washed out" anyway. Last summer, he moved his family from California to Florida for the Siemens Co., makers of electronics and equipment for industries. Not long after, Emmons and 19 other programmers were replaced by cheaper foreign workers.

Adding insult to injury, Emmons and the others had to train their replacements.

"It was the most demoralizing thing I've ever been through," he told ABCNEWS. "After spending all this time in this industry and working to keep my skills up-to-date, I had to now teach foreign workers how to do my job so they could lay me off."

Just as millions of American manufacturing jobs were lost in the 1980s and 1990s, today white-collar American jobs are disappearing. Foreign nationals on special work visas are filling some positions but most jobs are simply contracted out overseas.

"The train has left the station, the cows have left the barn, the toothpaste is out of the tube," said John McCarthy, director of research at Forrester Research, who has studied the exodus of white-collar jobs overseas. "However you want to talk about it, you're not going to turn the tide on this in the same way we couldn't turn the tide on the manufacturing shift."

India Calling

Almost 500,000 white-collar American jobs have already found their way offshore, to the Philippines, Malaysia and China. Russia and Eastern Europe are expected to be next. But no country has captured more American jobs than India.

In Bangalore, India, reservation agents are booking flights for Delta; Indian accountants are preparing tax returns for Ernst & Young; and Indian software engineers are developing new products for Oracle.

They are all working at a fraction of the cost these companies would pay American workers.

For example, American computer programmers earn about $60,000, while their Indian counterparts only make $6,000.

"It's about cost savings," said Atul Vashistha, CEO of NeoIT, a California-based consulting company that advises American firms interested in "offshoring" jobs previously held by Americans. "They need to significantly reduce their cost of doing business and that's why they're coming to us right now."

Vivek Pal, an Indian contractor for technology consulting group Wipro, whose clients include Microsoft, GE, JP Morgan Chase, and Best Buy, is hiring 2,000 Indian workers quarterly to keep up with demand. Pal knows American workers resent the "offshoring" trend but says all Americans will benefit in the long run.

"Globalization — whether it's for products or services — may feel like it hurts, but at the end of the day, it creates economic value all around," said Pal.

At the end of the day, Emmons has a different view: "If you sit at a desk, beware," he said. "Your job is going overseas."


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To: sarcasm; Lazamataz
CHILE FAST TRACK ACT OF 2001 Statement of Senator Chris Dodd

March 21, 2001

"Mr. President, I rise today to reintroduce legislation I authored last year to enable the President to admit Chile into NAFTA. Nearly six years ago, a bipartisan majority of this body ratified the North American Free Trade Agreement. Since then the promises of new jobs, increased exports, lower tariffs and a cleaner environment have all been realized. In other words, Mr. President, NAFTA has succeeded despite the predictions of some that America could not compete in today's global economy

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It is so funny watching you all get pandered to, and you all licking up like kitty at a bowl of milk.

441 posted on 08/03/2003 6:42:46 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Laz doesn't want to refute reply #432.

I hope not. If there is a coherent thought in it, it has certainly escaped me.

442 posted on 08/03/2003 6:43:55 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Dane
Because the snippet mentioned Johnson not Dodd, moron.
443 posted on 08/03/2003 6:44:36 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: nmh
like any other time, people must seek out new skills.

Throw the down-and-outers here a scrap and name a couple.

444 posted on 08/03/2003 6:45:18 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Dane
In fact, no attention for you at all.
445 posted on 08/03/2003 6:45:39 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Dane
What keeps the cusomers from putting some items in grocery bags without ringing them up? It seems to me that people would start cheating and, oh say, not ring up about every third item in their shopping cart.
446 posted on 08/03/2003 6:45:53 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Dane
It is so funny watching you all get pandered to, and you all licking up like kitty at a bowl of milk.

Are you smoking something? This giggle fit of yours seems like great fun, but could you please clue those of us who are not toked up on what you are talking about.

447 posted on 08/03/2003 6:47:20 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
I hope not. If there is a coherent thought in it, it has certainly escaped me.

LOL! I've come to the conclusion he's a negative attention vampire.

448 posted on 08/03/2003 6:47:27 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: mamelukesabre
What keeps the cusomers from putting some items in grocery bags without ringing them up? It seems to me that people would start cheating and, oh say, not ring up about every third item in their shopping cart

When you scan the product, the bar code also scans the weight of the product and then you put the product into the bag which is on a scale. If you put something that hasn't been scanned, the machine alerts the one attendant at the island and also very loudly alerts you and shuts the process down, until the product is scanned.

449 posted on 08/03/2003 6:51:28 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Lazamataz
Correct. So don't you think it is a good idea to discourage offshoring in every possible way?

Yes. Especially to countries that don't guarantee individual liberties.

No set or subset of workers can compete with slave labor, as with what we are now competing with in China. One must draw the line somewhere.

However, India is a democracy. How can we compete with them? Is their IT industry gvernment-subsidized? If so, we have a clear case for tariffs on their services, just as we tax services here.

450 posted on 08/03/2003 6:52:24 PM PDT by Concentrate (Unintended consequences are, well, unintended.)
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To: Lazamataz
Hobbit hole threads are 12,000 strong and they still can talk.

I am caughing and sputtering so much Mrs. Jackson is calling the ambulance for me. Agamemnon is right. You are a bitter and dried up old soul.

451 posted on 08/03/2003 6:52:24 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Yes they are. I see lots of guys doing very well these days painting houses, putting up siding, doing roofs, and other types of remodelling. My neighbor does this sort of thing and he just bought a brand new cadilac. He's self employed and doesn't have more than 2 guys working for him.
452 posted on 08/03/2003 6:52:40 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Dane
I don't think this is a relevant analogy, Dane. The issue in the article is outsourcing jobs to foreigners who will settle for less pay than their American counterparts. In your example, technology--not foreigners--has seemingly supplanted the services of several cashiers. Technology is always changing the nature of work. But it's simplistic to think that those 3 displaced cashiers are now fired because of the new self-service machines. Somebody needs to program the machines, service the machines, etc. And maybe those cashiers are now free to rise in the organization to supervisor or whatever. It doesn't necessarily follow, in your example, that those cashiers are out of work. In the case of the article at hand, US workers are most DEFINITELY out of work--the nature of the work hasn't changed, but cheaper foreign workers have been found as substitutes. And that's what is inherently unfair.
453 posted on 08/03/2003 6:53:57 PM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: mamelukesabre
I see lots of guys doing very well these days painting houses, putting up siding, doing roofs, and other types of remodelling. My neighbor does this sort of thing and he just bought a brand new cadilac. He's self employed and doesn't have more than 2 guys working for him.

And the folks who hire him to do this do what for a living? Throw clay pots and sell them in the front lawn?

454 posted on 08/03/2003 6:54:50 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson; Lazamataz
Are you smoking something? This giggle fit of yours seems like great fun, but could you please clue those of us who are not toked up on what you are talking about.

Nah having a giggle over Laz's giving a big kiss to his new hero Sen. Dodd(D-CT), in reply #426.

From the article, it looks like Democrats are getting ready to reject free trade in favor of fair trade. Dodd was whipping this rally into a fever.

And then posting Dodd's big kiss to free trade with reply #441 and watching Laz going ga-ga over being pandered to.

It's too funny.

455 posted on 08/03/2003 6:56:12 PM PDT by Dane
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To: MarkL
I'll tell you what they are doing in rural new york and other rural areas in the northeast. Their houses are all mysteriously burning down and they collect the insurance money and then move far far away where there are jobs to be had.
456 posted on 08/03/2003 6:56:29 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Dane
Does Mrs. Dane know that you have been in at the liquor again?
457 posted on 08/03/2003 6:58:35 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Lazamataz
.....what will we be doing?

Getting into the rap business?
I just saw where rapper Sean "P Diddy" Combs is spending his time these days cruising around the Mediterranean aboard his 181-foot luxury yacht at a cost of $40,000 a day.

And have you seen Eminem's pad?
458 posted on 08/03/2003 7:02:24 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Dane
Nah having a giggle over Laz's giving a big kiss to his new hero Sen. Dodd(D-CT), in reply #426.

I'll take a moment from my self-proclaimed attention denial of attention for you for a moment to note that: Dane, you like to make shit up out of whole cloth. Nothing you have written can even remotely characterize what I am trying to say. But like any high-school student, you will just misinterpret my comments because your reading comprehension is limited beyond belief. I don't blame you; I blame the schools.

But go ahead anyways. Most of the forum knows you by now.

Carry on. Good night.

459 posted on 08/03/2003 7:03:10 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
Somebody needs to program the machines, service the machines, etc. And maybe those cashiers are now free to rise in the organization to supervisor or whatever.

Actually from what I've seen, the casheir at the island services the machine, takes hourly readings and such.

Also the person who normally services the regular cash registers also probably services the new machines.

The main point stands that effectively three casheir positions have been eliminated, since there is no need for a casheir since the machines do the work.

460 posted on 08/03/2003 7:03:23 PM PDT by Dane
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