Jefferson Davis: beyond a statue-tory matter

The Courier-Journal ^ | July 27, 2003 | Bill Cunningham

[thatdewd]

The writer is a circuit judge who lives in Kuttawa, Ky.

KUTTAWA, Ky. - The Courier Journal, at the behest of its columnist John David Dyche, has called for the removal of the Jefferson Davis statue in the rotunda of the Kentucky State Capitol. Such a supposedly politically correct viewpoint reflects a shallow, selective and even hypocritical understanding of history.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Many rebel states would have seceded from the CSA if "President" Davis or the CSA government had tried to abolish slavery. After all, to preserve slavery is why the rebels tried to secede from the USA in the first place. As most southerners understood at the time, there would have been no point to an independent, impoverished South without slavery.

[Non-Sequitur]

Your example still doesn't work. Jeff Davis and the confederate congress couldn't say "we'll have a constitutional convention." They didn't have that power. They could initiate nothing. It all boils down to Jeff Davis proposing something completely outside his power to deliver. The question then becomes, did he propose that knowing he couldn't deliver but hoping that the European powers would still act and grant recognition? Then regardless of whether slavery was ended or not recognition had been extended. The cat was out of the bag and couldn't be put back in. That would indicate a basic dishonesty in his plan. The other alternative is that Jeff Davis would honor his commitment and take the steps to end slavery regardless of what the constituiton said. Without a supreme court to check him, and given his opinion on who decided what was constitutional to begin with, this is is a more likely reason. And it demonstrates a basic lack of respect for the constitution to begin with.

[nolu chan]

NO. You completely disregard his ability to grow while in office. By the time the war was over he had spent his entire life fighting to free the slaves. Just like Lincoln.

[nolu chan]

We cannot all possess the unbiased objectivity of yourself and the rest of the Wlat Brigade.

[nolu chan]

That's not consistent with other things he said. And he grew in office and became a knight and a saint, and by the time the war was over he had spent his entire life fighting to free the slaves. Just like Lincoln.

And there is no source and no link, and there is no stamp from a notary public, and it does not meet Wlatian standards.

[Non-Sequitur]

That's not consistent with other things he said. And he grew in office and became a knight and a saint, and by the time the war was over he had spent his entire life fighting to free the slaves. Just like Lincoln.

Excuse me while I puke my lunch up...there, that's much better.

Jefferson Davis a knight? A knight of what? The KKK? Jefferson Davis spent much of his adult life living of the rewards of the labor of his slaves. Jefferson Davis spent his entire life secure in his belief of the superiority of the white man over the black. Jefferson Davis went to his grave believing that the proper place for blacks were as his property and, failing that, hustled off to Mexico or Central America. Jefferson Davis a saint? You must have no concept of the meaning of the word.

[Ditto]

Moreover, 2/3 of the revenues enjoyed by the federal government came from the South, because of the tariffs and various other taxes.

Document how a region with less than 40% of the entire population, and 30% of thse being slaves, managed to pay 66% of all federal taxes.

You live in a myth.

[Non-Sequitur]

We cannot all possess the unbiased objectivity of yourself and the rest of the Wlat Brigade.

But you try, huh? Objectivity is your middle name? It is your goal, your quest? You truly believe your judgement of Lincoln is objective, 'fair and balanced' as FOX news would say? ROTFLMAO!

[nolu chan]

My goal, my quest, is to irritate liberal trolls such as you by serving as a constant reminder of your intellectual inferiority.

[GOPcapitalist]

"no CSA judiciary, etc." True

False. Every state in the CSA had an active judiciary and many of them heard and ruled on cases throughout the war. For your statement to be true you would have to prove this wrong. You have not done so.

[Grand Old Partisan]

How many times do I have to state the undeniable? -- There was no CSA judiciary.

[GOPcapitalist]

Ft. Sumter was federal property, and South Carolina was part of the United States, no less than it is today.

South Carolina repealed its granting of Fort Sumter's property to federal control with its ordinance of secession. If today, some Islamic insurents beseiged a U.S. fort in South Carolina, you would leap to defned the traitors with just the same arguments you use for the Confederates.

False and I defy you to prove otherwise. And remember, quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur. If you still don't understand what that means ask Mel Gibson.

[GOPcapitalist]

The rest of your points are not worth refuting, as they all reveal your contempt for my beloved country, the United States of America.

I'll take that as a concession that you cannot substantiate what you claim and accordingly cannot offer an intellectualyl sound response to my statements. For all means and purposes you have yielded the field.

[Grand Old Partisan]

A state can no more secede from the Union than you can.

[GOPcapitalist]

It was a ship with no flag heading into Charleston harbor. A Revenue cutter fired a shot across the bow and then the ship raised the stars and stripes and was allowed to proceed. That was standard practice. Then and now, a ship must display a flag.

A foreign vessle has no right to patrol the harbor of another nation without it's consent, both then and now. Thus the Harriet Lane was an aggressor when it fired.

[Grand Old Partisan]

South Carolina was not "another nation" -- it was a rebellious area with the United States of America.

[GOPcapitalist]

A state can no more secede from the Union than you can.

Yet 12 of them did exactly that in 1861. You may think they were wrong for doing so, and you may dispute their right to do so, but that there was a de facto secession in 1861 is irrefutable. Live with it.

[GOPcapitalist]

How many times do I have to state the undeniable? -- There was no CSA judiciary.

What you are stating is neither undeniable nor true. Every single state in the Confederate States of American had a judiciary as of 1861 and those judiciaries actively heard cases of both state and national nature throughout the war. The CSA congress did not establish a federal supreme court, but the a judiciary was still there in every state.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Various state governments tried to secede but failed. Live with it.

[Grand Old Partisan]

A CSA judiciary would be a federal judiciary, which -- one more time -- did not exist in the Confederacy.