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The Uranium Files- Iraq, Mr. Bush... and more-
various FR links | 07-15-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

Posted on 07/15/2003 4:28:30 PM PDT by backhoe

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946730/posts
What Bush really said about Iraq -- excerpt from Bush's SOTU (REMINDER)(w. my major points about it)
White House ^ | January 28, 2003 | President George W. Bush
The Internet will spell the death of the Democrats.
For ages, they've been able to control public opinion via their lackeys in the media.
Now the public has access to the truth.
 
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946281/posts
WHO LIED TO WHOM? (The Original Seymour Hersh Article About Uranium and Niger That Started It All!)
The New Yorker ^ | March 31, 2003 | Seymour M. Hersh
This seems to have been the first "mainstream" media attack on the Bush Administration regarding the Sixteen Words. I post it both for the sake of historical preservation, and in the hopes that someone here may be able to use the data within to trace how the RATS and the rest of the news media twisted and distorted he truth to create the giant nonevent that has the whole press corps salivating today.
Let's go with 16 WORDS
 
http://www.nti.org/db/nistraff/update.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946281/posts?page=33#33
(SOUTH AFRICA : EARTH SUMMIT : US SECRETARY OF STATE POWELL IS HECKLED)
 
World Uranium production
South Africa is in the Top 10...
 
Here is the live thread where those of us watching the UN meet were making notes of what was being said. My link takes you to the exact post where the documents are first mentioned by freeper bvw. Note that by reading posts prior to that one, this mention does not top el Baradei's report and is mentioned in passing.
Tenet's statement
 
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946586/posts
Let Them Eat Yellowcake - Reflections On A Failed Political Smear
PipeLineNews.org ^ | July 15, 2003 | William A. Mayer
 
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html
And here is the section of the speech dealing with Iraq.
 
Fears of Nuclear Looting in Iraq
NewsMax.com ^ | Tuesday, July 15, 2003 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
 
 
Media Fraud: Press Still Misreporting Uranium Claim as 'False'
NewsMax.com ^ | Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:34 p.m. EDT | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
 
 
 
 
 
THAT URANIUM STORY
NRO ^ | 7/14/2003 | David Frum
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Timeline:
Figures on how much Iraq purchased:
 
 
Rats Spin Has No End!
www.whitehouse.gov | State Of The Union Speech
It's not 'SPIN'. It's LIES. Call a spade a spade, not a duck.
 
 
 
 
O.K., now I am confused. The liberal news media is excoriating Bush for some minor detail about uranium sales to iraq. On the other hand, greenpeace sends a "press release" to this new zealand website complaining that the locals are getting radiation poisoning from wallowing in uranium oxide...
 
 
Being an avid listener of the great talk radio host "Micheal Medved", I got a very clear distiction between what was said in the SOTU address and the edited version that was used for a campaign against Dubya...
 
 
IRAQ: Boiling Mad Over Bush - (The left is now up in arms about one sentence of SOTU)
The Washington Post ^ | Friday, July 11, 2003; 8:39 AM | Howard Kurtz
These idiots forgot 9/11. We don't. Neither does the president. We are war and the left continues sleep walking
 
 
 
The "He LIIIEEED. Impeach him" outcry you hear now on most of the radio and TV talk shows is obviously the brainchile of the DNC (if it can be accused ov having a brain), and is coming principally from RAT seminar callers...
The lap-dog media, baying with great voice, is trying to whip this up as something even worse than Nixon's Watergate. And few in the media can resist something they see as the next "Watergate"...
The public seems to yawn and view the whole episode with uninterested bemusement...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 16words; africa; bushdoctrineunfold; cuclear; frlibrarians; gabon; iraq; niger; nigerflap; nuclear; nukes; rats; southafrica; uranium; uraniumfiles; warlist; wmd
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To: backhoe
Bumparooski!
121 posted on 07/22/2003 3:59:32 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Appreciate the bump- thank you!
122 posted on 07/22/2003 4:17:13 PM PDT by backhoe (DemocRats- dangerous when in power, nutty when not...)
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To: backhoe

Key Judgments [from October 2002 NIE]

Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade. (See INR alternative view at the end of these Key Judgments.)

We judge that we are seeing only a portion of Iraq's WMD efforts, owing to Baghdad's vigorous denial and deception efforts. Revelations after the Gulf war starkly demonstrate the extensive efforts undertaken by Iraq to deny information. We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs.

Since inspections ended in 1998, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons; in the view of most agencies, Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.

How quickly Iraq will obtain its first nuclear weapon depends on when it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.

We assess that Baghdad has begun renewed production of mustard, sarin, GF (cyclosarin), and VX; its capability probably is more limited now than it was at the time of the Gulf war, although VX production and agent storage life probably have been improved.

We judge that all key aspects--R&D, production, and weaponization--of Iraq's offensive BW program are active and that most elements are larger and more advanced than they were before the Gulf war.

Iraq maintains a small missile force and several development programs, including for a UAV probably intended to deliver biological warfare agent.

We have low confidence in our ability to assess when Saddam would use WMD.

Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW against the United States, fearing that exposure of Iraqi involvement would provide Washington a stronger cause for making war.

Iraq probably would attempt clandestine attacks against the U.S. Homeland if Baghdad feared an attack that threatened the survival of the regime were imminent or unavoidable, or possibly for revenge. Such attacks--more likely with biological than chemical agents--probably would be carried out by special forces or intelligence operatives.

Saddam, if sufficiently desperate, might decide that only an organization such as al-Qa'ida--with worldwide reach and extensive terrorist infrastructure, and already engaged in a life-or-death struggle against the United States--could perpetrate the type of terrorist attack that he would hope to conduct.

State/INR Alternative View of Iraq's Nuclear Program

The Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research (INR) believes that Saddam continues to want nuclear weapons and that available evidence indicates that Baghdad is pursuing at least a limited effort to maintain and acquire nuclear weapons-related capabilities. The activities we have detected do not, however, add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons. Iraq may be doing so, but INR considers the available evidence inadequate to support such a judgment. Lacking persuasive evidence that Baghdad has launched a coherent effort to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program, INR is unwilling to speculate that such an effort began soon after the departure of UN inspectors or to project a timeline for the completion of activities it does not now see happening. As a result, INR is unable to predict when Iraq could acquire a nuclear device or weapon.

In INR's view Iraq's efforts to acquire aluminum tubes is central to the argument that Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, but INR is not persuaded that the tubes in question are intended for use as centrifuge rotors. INR accepts the judgment of technical experts at the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) who have concluded that the tubes Iraq seeks to acquire are poorly suited for use in gas centrifuges to be used for uranium enrichment and finds unpersuasive the arguments advanced by others to make the case that they are intended for that purpose. INR considers it far more likely that the tubes are intended for another purpose, most likely the production of artillery rockets. The very large quantities being sought, the way the tubes were tested by the Iraqis, and the atypical lack of attention to operational security in the procurement efforts are among the factors, in addition to the DOE assessment, that lead INR to conclude that the tubes are not intended for use in Iraq's nuclear weapon program.

Confidence Levels for Selected Key Judgments in This Estimate

High Confidence:

  • Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding, its chemical, biological, nuclear and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions.

  • We are not detecting portions of these weapons programs.

  • Iraq posesses proscribed chemical and biological weapons and missiles.

  • Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grad fissile material

Moderate Confidence:

  • Iraq does not yet have a nuclear weapon or sufficient material to make one but is likely to have a weapon by 2007 to 2009. (See INR alternative view, page 84).

Low Confidence

  • When Saddam would use weapons of mass destruction.

  • Whether Saddam would engage in clandestine attacks against the US Homeland.

  • Whether in desperation Saddam would share chemical or biological weapons with al-Qa'ida.

[NIE page 24]

[...]

Uranium Acquisition. Iraq retains approximately two-and-a-half tons of 2.5 percent enriched uranium oxide, which the IAEA permits. This low-enriched material could be used as feed material to produce enough HEU for about two nuclear weapons. The use of enriched feed material also would reduce the initial number of cntrifuges that Baghdad would need by about half. Iraq could divert this material -- the IAEA inspects it only once a year -- and enrich it to weapons grade before a subsequent inspection discovered it was missing. The IAEA last inspected this material in late January 2002.

Iraq has about 500 metric tons of yellowcake1 and low enriched uranium at Tuwaitha, which is inspected annually by the IAEA. Iraq also began vigorously trying to procure uranium ore and yellowcake; acquiring either would shorten the time Baghdad needs to produce nuclear weapons.

  • A foreign government service reported that as of early 2001, Niger planned to send several tons of "pure uranium" (probably yellowcake) to Iraq. As of early 2001, Niger and Iraq reportedly were still working out arrangements for this deal, which could be for up to 500 tons of yellowcake. We do not know the status of this arrangement.

  • Reports indicate Iraq also has sought uranium ore from Somalia and possibly the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

We cannot confirm whether Iraq succeeded in acquiring uranium ore and/or yellowcake from these sources. Reports suggest Iraq is shifting from domestic mining and milling of uranium to foreign acquisition. Iraq possesses significant phosphate deposits, from which uranium had been chemically extracted before Operation Desert Storm. Intelligence information on whether nuclear-related phosphate mining and/or processing has been reestablished is inconclusive, however.

    1 A refined form of natural uranium.

[...]

[NIE page 84]

Annex A
Iraq's Attempts to Acquire Aluminum Tubes

(This excerpt from a longer view includes INR's position on the African uranium issue)

INR's Alternative View: Iraq's Attempts to Acquire Aluminum Tubes

Some of the specialized but dual-use items being sought are, by all indications, bound for Iraq's missile program. Other cases are ambiguous, such as that of a planned magnet-production line whose suitability for centrifuge operations remains unknown. Some efforts involve non-controlled industrial material and equipment -- including a variety of machine tools -- and are troubling because they would help establish the infrastructure for a renewed nuclear program. But such efforts (which began well before the inspectors departed) are not clearly linked to a nuclear end-use. Finally, the claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are, in INR's assessment, highly dubious.


123 posted on 07/23/2003 8:39:11 AM PDT by michigander
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To: michigander
Thanks for the further info!
124 posted on 07/23/2003 11:39:51 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951678/posts
Bush Uraniumgate Critics Ignored Clinton's 9/11 Blunder
NewsMax.com ^ | 7/24/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
125 posted on 07/24/2003 12:46:29 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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 Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission (Joe Wilson lied about EVERYTHING)

126 posted on 07/10/2004 11:19:13 AM PDT by backhoe (Kerry- Edwards? Screw 'em & Sue 'em '04)
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 9/11 COMMISSION: "JOE WILSON/VALERIE PLAME, BOLD FACED LIARS. BUSH WAS RIGHT!"

 Our Man in Niger (part 2 hit on Wilson/Plame)

 Plame's Lame Game [Wilson whupping by Hitchens]

 A CORRECTION AND A CONFESSION/JOSEPH WILSON, LIAR

  Yellowcake: Joe Wilson Skating on Thin Ice


127 posted on 07/14/2004 2:50:23 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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 Nets Ignore How Senate Report Discredited Joe Wilson's Claims

128 posted on 07/14/2004 2:58:47 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: All
 [Ann Coulter] Wilson lied, kids died!
 
 Sex, lies and yellowcake
 
 Plame's Lame Game -- What Ambassador Joseph Wilson and his wife forgot...

129 posted on 07/14/2004 5:27:03 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: All

 
 
CHENEY WAS RIGHT
 British report links al Qaeda, Baghdad
 Errant former ambassador (Wilson)
 The Yellowcake Con: The Wilson-Plame "scandal" was political pulp fiction.
 
 


130 posted on 07/15/2004 12:54:39 AM PDT by backhoe (A Nuke for every Kook... what a Clinton "legacy...")
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To: All
 
 RNC CHAIRMAN ED GILLESPIE STATEMENT ON JOE WILSON
 APB for Joe Wilson
 It’s Their Story & They’re Sticking with It
 The Yellowcake Con

131 posted on 07/15/2004 4:43:19 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

I thought that I would bump this for a quick refresher on the Joe Wilson lied story.


132 posted on 07/15/2004 5:56:34 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
I think it's Boosh's fault.

Thanks for the bump!

133 posted on 07/16/2004 12:22:01 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Eva

More links


134 posted on 07/16/2004 7:16:58 PM PDT by Eva
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To: All
Sixteen Truthful Words  It's great that this is being proven now, but I still like to point out that the liberals are up to their usual nonsense in calling the President a liar to begin with.
 
Clinton reopens book on Iraqi bid to buy uranium in Africa
 
 
Bush's Uranium claims verified!

135 posted on 07/19/2004 12:37:15 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220148/posts

Agent behind fake uranium documents worked for France (FRENCH TREACHERY UNMASKED)
The Sunday Telegraph ^ | September 19, 2004 | Bruce Johnston


Posted on 09/18/2004 7:24:14 PM CDT by MadIvan


136 posted on 09/18/2004 5:30:46 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: MEG33

Thanks!


137 posted on 09/19/2004 2:30:46 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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NIGERGATE: THE ANTI BUSH AND BERLUSCONI NETWORK
 
  Was Berlusconi Behind the Pre-Iraq War Yellow Cake Story?  

France pays forger to fabricate "yellowcake" documents

Russo Martino, the man behind the forged documents indicating Saddam had purchased uranium from Niger, which Joseph A. Wilson falsely claimed he had seen and warned the Administration about, has come forward and admitted that he did this in the pay of France to undermine the British and American justification for the war in Iraq:
 
  Case against aides (doesn't have leg to stand on. (Valerie Plame case) (MUST READ: NO CRIME) --
Depends on what you mean by "produced"...Rocco just received the documents, he did not forge them. Read on:

Jacqueline, (Wilson's second wife), was a French diplomat and may have provided the connections for Wilson to see the forged documents that were supplied by the French through the Italians. It has been reported that she was a "cultural counselor" for the French Embassy, which some say is code for she was doing undercover work.

In other words it is possible that Wilson knew that the docs were forged because he was privy to the information that French wanted to discredit the British info on Saddam shopping for yellowcake and that Wilson's objective was the same. The French just happen to manage the yellowcake production in Niger.

IOW, he didn't lie in his first statement...he saw the documents.

And Fedora has contributed this:

French intelligence soon began a campaign to discredit the US case for war against Iraq. In 1999, French intelligence had begun investigating the security of uranium supplies in Niger, where uranium production was controlled by a consortium led by the French mining company COGEMA, a division of the French state-owned nuclear energy firm AREVA. At that time, Italian businessman Rocco Martino provided French intelligence with genuine documents revealing that Iraq was planning to expand trade with Niger. French intelligence took an interest in the documents and asked Martino to provide more information. In 2000 he used a contact in the Niger embassy in Rome to provide French intelligence with documents purporting that Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger. These documents were later exposed as forgeries;

< snip >

Since it is now also known that French intelligence was trying to push Martino’s forgeries on US and British intelligence, as simultaneously the Democratic National Committee was planning to discredit President Bush’s Iraq policy by accusing his administration of manufacturing evidence against Hussein’s regime, heightened suspicion is cast on Wilson’s use of the Niger investigation to discredit the Bush administration’s case for war.

What Wilson Didn’t Say About Africa

Wuli also just posted a timeline thread asking the question about how Joe Wilson saw the documents before they were turned over to the CIA and other questions. It also validates the theory that he saw them in advance:

Joe Wilson's Lies, A Timeline - Who Forged the Documents?

Then if you connect the dots between the article,Was the Joe Wilson Valerie Plame Affair a CIA Plot?and the article New York Times: CIA Leaked Plame's Name, you come away with all the makings of French/CIA coup attempt. George Tenet was Novak's first source, he was the administration official that was described as "no partisan gunslinger" by Novak.

It also validates the article by Seymour Hersch (who we normally dismiss as a leftie moonbat):

“Who produced the fake Niger papers? There is nothing approaching a consensus on this question within the intelligence community. There has been published speculation about the intelligence services of several different countries. One theory, favored by some journalists in Rome, is that [the Italian intelligence service] Sismi produced the false documents and passed them to Panorama for publication.

“Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, 'Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.'

He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.”

Source

The stranger that approached Novak? Larry Johnson, Ex-CIA. And if my theory is correct, Vincent Cannistraro, another ex-CIA agent, who is a security consultant to the Vatican in Rome, engineered the break-in at the Niger Embassy there, where the letterhead and seals were stolen for the forgeries.

I just hope Fitzgerald is following the path. The final nail...it was kind of funny that I have been "warned" that I should not pursue this research by someone in a private freepmail. Too bad...I ain't skeered... : )

42 posted on 10/25/2005 4:07:33 PM EDT by ravingnutter
 
Some related files here:
 Proof that Rove was Right
various FR links & stories | 06-27-05 | the heavy equipment guy

138 posted on 10/29/2005 4:35:56 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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FBI: Financial Gain Drove Uranium Forgery (Iraq sought uranium ore in Niger)
 
 Italians Deny Role in Iraq Uranium Dossier

139 posted on 11/04/2005 5:07:29 PM PST by backhoe
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 US Reveals Iraq Nuclear Operation (1.7 Metric Tons+ Of Enriched Uranium Removed From Iraq In 2004
 
  Saddam's 500-ton Uranium Stockpile -- Here is a link you might be interested in reading. I used it to stuff in the faces of a few libs on another conservative site last year during the height of their insanity. It is a DOD briefing. Why the IAEA did not remove the stuff long ago is the MYSTERY!
Have fun:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2003/06/mil-030605-dod01.htm
 
  Expanding the French Connection -- I just rediscovered this thread from a while back.... you might want to take a look here for addition info: " What Wilson Didn’t Say About Africa: Joseph Wilson's Silent Partners"
 
 Kristof Re-Visits Key 2003 Column on Joe Wilson's Trip to Niger
 
 Remember That Mushroom Cloud?
 
  Spy Valerie and the rogue CIA -- The farcical “outing” of Valerie Plame therefore raises a genuinely frightening monster from the swamp: A subversive alliance between the intelligence bureaucracy, the Democrat Party and the media. The common thread among all the characters in this low-brow comedy is hatred of President Bush and American power.
 
 Peter King calling Joe Wilson a fraud and a liar on Scarborough NOW -- Peter King had the CIA involvement figured out from the start. Here is an article written by King from 2003:
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=2006
 
 
To: All
Will Karl Rove Be Another Indicted for a Non-Crime?
 
 Case against aides (doesn't have leg to stand on. (Valerie Plame case) (MUST READ: NO CRIME) --
Depends on what you mean by "produced"...Rocco just received the documents, he did not forge them. Read on:

Jacqueline, (Wilson's second wife), was a French diplomat and may have provided the connections for Wilson to see the forged documents that were supplied by the French through the Italians. It has been reported that she was a "cultural counselor" for the French Embassy, which some say is code for she was doing undercover work.

In other words it is possible that Wilson knew that the docs were forged because he was privy to the information that French wanted to discredit the British info on Saddam shopping for yellowcake and that Wilson's objective was the same. The French just happen to manage the yellowcake production in Niger.

IOW, he didn't lie in his first statement...he saw the documents.

And Fedora has contributed this:

French intelligence soon began a campaign to discredit the US case for war against Iraq. In 1999, French intelligence had begun investigating the security of uranium supplies in Niger, where uranium production was controlled by a consortium led by the French mining company COGEMA, a division of the French state-owned nuclear energy firm AREVA. At that time, Italian businessman Rocco Martino provided French intelligence with genuine documents revealing that Iraq was planning to expand trade with Niger. French intelligence took an interest in the documents and asked Martino to provide more information. In 2000 he used a contact in the Niger embassy in Rome to provide French intelligence with documents purporting that Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger. These documents were later exposed as forgeries;

< snip >

Since it is now also known that French intelligence was trying to push Martino’s forgeries on US and British intelligence, as simultaneously the Democratic National Committee was planning to discredit President Bush’s Iraq policy by accusing his administration of manufacturing evidence against Hussein’s regime, heightened suspicion is cast on Wilson’s use of the Niger investigation to discredit the Bush administration’s case for war.

What Wilson Didn’t Say About Africa

Wuli also just posted a timeline thread asking the question about how Joe Wilson saw the documents before they were turned over to the CIA and other questions. It also validates the theory that he saw them in advance:

Joe Wilson's Lies, A Timeline - Who Forged the Documents?

Then if you connect the dots between the article,Was the Joe Wilson Valerie Plame Affair a CIA Plot?and the article New York Times: CIA Leaked Plame's Name, you come away with all the makings of French/CIA coup attempt. George Tenet was Novak's first source, he was the administration official that was described as "no partisan gunslinger" by Novak.

It also validates the article by Seymour Hersch (who we normally dismiss as a leftie moonbat):

“Who produced the fake Niger papers? There is nothing approaching a consensus on this question within the intelligence community. There has been published speculation about the intelligence services of several different countries. One theory, favored by some journalists in Rome, is that [the Italian intelligence service] Sismi produced the false documents and passed them to Panorama for publication.

“Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, 'Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.'

He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.”

Source

The stranger that approached Novak? Larry Johnson, Ex-CIA. And if my theory is correct, Vincent Cannistraro, another ex-CIA agent, who is a security consultant to the Vatican in Rome, engineered the break-in at the Niger Embassy there, where the letterhead and seals were stolen for the forgeries.

I just hope Fitzgerald is following the path. The final nail...it was kind of funny that I have been "warned" that I should not pursue this research by someone in a private freepmail. Too bad...I ain't skeered... : )

42 posted on 10/25/2005 4:07:33 PM EDT by ravingnutter

94 posted on 10/26/2005 7:52:25 AM EDT by backhoe

140 posted on 11/05/2005 2:34:15 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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