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THAT URANIUM STORY
NRO ^ | 7/14/2003 | David Frum

Posted on 07/14/2003 8:59:22 PM PDT by Utah Girl

On the ground floor of the White House is the Map Room, so-called because it was here that Franklin Roosevelt used to get his briefings on the progress of World War II. Over the mantel is the last map FDR saw before his death. It shows American, British, and Soviet troops racing toward Berlin. It also shows a frightening concentration of German forces in the Nazis’ last redoubt, the mountains of Bavaria.

We now know of course that this last redoubt did not exist. American intelligence had been deceived. And it’s possible that policymakers also deceived themselves. Roosevelt, for reasons of his own, wanted to let the Russians have the honor – and suffer the losses – of an assault on Berlin. The belief in the last redoubt was a very useful belief: It justified FDR’s wish to avoid joining the battle for Berlin.

Intelligence is a very uncertain business. And there’s no doubt that consumers of intelligence tend to be quicker to accept uncertain information that confirms their prejudices than uncertain information that calls those prejudices into question. Since consumers of intelligence are usually prejudiced in favor of doing little, most of the time they prefer intelligence that errs on the side of minimizing dangers.

9/11 changed the way American officials looked at the world. So when they got reports that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium in Niger, you can understand why they took the information seriously. That information has since turned out to be false – and its falsity has generated a major political controversy, as bitter-end opponents of this president and the war on terror try to exploit the administration’s error.

The controversy turns on the fact that some in the CIA doubted the story from the start. Their warnings were apparently disregarded, that is assuming that they were adequately communicated in the first place. Why? One reason may be that the CIA’s warnings on Iraq matters had lost some of their credibility in the 1990s. The agency was regarded by many in the Bush administration as reflexively and implacably hostile to any activist policy in Iraq. Those skeptics had come to believe that the agency was slanting its information on Iraq in order to maneuver the administration into supporting the agency’s own soft-line policies.

So when the Bush administration got skeptical news on the Niger uranium matter, it would not be surprising if mid-level policymakers mentally filed it under the heading “more of the same from the CIA,” filed it, and discounted it. The tendency was redoubled by the origin of the Niger-debunking report: Joseph C. Wilson. For more about him, see Clifford May's important post in last week's NRO. The result was the strange formulation in the State of the Union speech, in which the Niger story was cited – but attributed to British intelligence.

The story is an embarrassment for all concerned. But it no more undercuts the case for the Iraq war than FDR’s mistake in 1945 retroactively discredited the case for World War II. The United States did not overthrow Saddam Hussein because he was buying uranium in Niger. It overthrow him because he was a threat to the United States, to his neighbors, to his own people, and to the peace of a crucial region of the globe. All of that is just as true as it was on the day the President delivered his speech containing the errant 16 words – and the war is just as right and justified today as it was then.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britsstandbystory; cia; davidfrum; frostedyellowcake; intelligence; josephwilson; mycousinknowsclay; niger; opus; sotu; uranium; wmd
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To: budwiesest
"however, beneath the top of the ticket I'll be voting to send 'new' blood to serve in public office, and they won't be R's or D's"

Well, good. But I can guan-damn-tee you that after this past four years of politics, I'll be looking quite closely at those who claim to be "not R's or D's".

681 posted on 07/15/2003 5:25:18 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter ("We are facing something familiar, but they are facing something new." GWB 8/3/2000)
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To: Howlin; OWK
Well, now I'm totally confused.....how can you using OWK's words about Jim be constured as you taking a poke at Jim?

You know those know it alls, they think they know it all. OWK actually revels in his perceived intellectual supieriority.(per reply #676)

682 posted on 07/15/2003 5:26:03 PM PDT by Dane
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To: A Navy Vet
Once again, for those coming late to the thread, the issue is not about criticizing Republicans. The issue is about actively trying to split Republican support for the President IN THE ELECTION, which would of course cause a democrat to take the White House.

I don't like the education bill. I have tried to look at it from the point that it has accountability, but I still don't like it and I think it's too expensive.

However, I am willing to overlook that when I think about how ANY democrat would have handled Kyoto, judicial appointments, and most importantly, the war on terror.

683 posted on 07/15/2003 5:26:29 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: OWK
My favorite character flaw would probably be my ignorance...it excuses me from a lot of mis-statements.

What was that? "Controlled anarchist"? Would you elaborate?

684 posted on 07/15/2003 5:26:43 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Fedgov is the problem, not the solution)
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To: Howlin
I'm sorry I don't seem to be as taken with myself and my views as you guys are; perhaps it's because I realize this is just an internet forum and not the real world and/or high school.

I guess you didn't get it after all: no one here, in the least, in any meaning of the notion, is taken with you.

You really need to get over us being totally over you.

685 posted on 07/15/2003 5:26:51 PM PDT by Pahuanui (when A Foolish Man Hears The tao, He Laughs Out Loud.)
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To: Dane
No arguement here.
686 posted on 07/15/2003 5:29:26 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Fedgov is the problem, not the solution)
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To: A Navy Vet
I know you really want to dwell on this and I don't know why it is such a concern of yours.

It was obvious sarcasm (laced with truth) based on prior exchanges with the guy.

Sheeeeesh.....get over it.

But for the record, I don't always disregard the opinions of those with other beliefs, no matter how much I disagree with that belief. However in the case of a true atheist, I write them off as pretty hopeless; literally and figuratively speaking.

I hope this satisfies your peculiar interest in my comment.

687 posted on 07/15/2003 5:30:21 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: A Navy Vet
The constitution party has all the ideals that we conservatives embrace,and here comes the but! It has about as much chance to win a national election as Al Sharpton. This is a political reality, in this political envirement. It is quite obvious that you do not care for liberal policies, so why take any action that would furthur their agenda?

Here is a thread, read post 39 written by south hack. It may help you to look at the glass being half full, with the outlook of one day having it full.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/942035/posts?page=39#39

688 posted on 07/15/2003 5:30:31 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: A Citizen Reporter
I 'gaowuntee' (my Men's warehouse impression) you won't be alone.
689 posted on 07/15/2003 5:30:33 PM PDT by budwiesest (A cheap suit serenade.)
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To: Pahuanui
I guess you didn't get it after all: no one here, in the least, in any meaning of the notion, is taken with you.

Ah, you're the one who brought that up, not me.

But if it makes you feel better to keep saying nobody is taken with me, keep doing it; if it's therapy you need, be my guest.

690 posted on 07/15/2003 5:30:47 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Miss Marple
Understood. Thank you.
691 posted on 07/15/2003 5:31:04 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Fedgov is the problem, not the solution)
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To: A Navy Vet
What was that? "Controlled anarchist"? Would you elaborate?

Rational Anarchist.

Have you read Heinlein's "Moon is a Harsh Mistress".

If not, invest a couple of days.

A particular character (Professor De La Paz) helps establish a new government on a lunar colony toward the end of the book.

An intersting model.

An executive branch, and a legislative branch.

The legislative branch is composed of a two houses.

The lower house makes laws, requiring a 2/3 majority for passage.

The upper house may only repeal laws, and requires only a 1/3 vote. Only those laws which are truly legitimate can get passed and stay that way.

Any, De La Paz is a self-described rational anarchist.

In short, he chooses to live to maximize his potential for freedom in an inherently unfree world, holding closely to a moral code for guidance, and rendering occasional aid to those whose efforts might help advance the state of liberty.

I rather like the idea.

692 posted on 07/15/2003 5:35:14 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Okay. Didn't see the sarcasm and don't know your history with OWK. I was respectfully and sincerely asking why someone who doesn't belive in a god, should be automatically excluded from a political debate - what is the reasoning? I wasn't looking to start anything...I thought it might be an interesting side discussion.
693 posted on 07/15/2003 5:36:26 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Fedgov is the problem, not the solution)
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To: A Navy Vet
Okay. Didn't see the sarcasm

Me either.

694 posted on 07/15/2003 5:37:06 PM PDT by OWK
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To: budwiesest
Please don't tell me that someone with a screename "budwiesest" is going to pull an elitist card?

I really think that "a cheap suit serenade" might be beneath your dignity. But I don't know you very well...LOL!

695 posted on 07/15/2003 5:40:02 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter ("We are facing something familiar, but they are facing something new." GWB 8/3/2000)
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To: woodyinscc
Yeah, I realize the down side...but as I said, I'm just looking.

As I mentioned to JR, I'm just getting tired of holding my nose when voting. President Bush is an excellent CIC, and he has eliminated some things and done good by others, but has taken a socialist position on others - and I don't believe for expediency. He's a "compassionate conservative", remember? Actually, most of the problem is with Congress.

696 posted on 07/15/2003 5:44:12 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Fedgov is the problem, not the solution)
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To: OWK
I guess I'm still confused with the definition of anarchy, and how that term would apply even in the Heinlein model.
697 posted on 07/15/2003 5:46:53 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Fedgov is the problem, not the solution)
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To: tpaine
You are correct. I should have pinged you. My apologies as I don't normally do that.
698 posted on 07/15/2003 5:50:54 PM PDT by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor.)
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To: A Navy Vet
I guess I'm still confused with the definition of anarchy, and how that term would apply even in the Heinlein model.

De La Paz suggests this form for those who are predisposed to governmental structure, and will likely seek some state construct anyway.

(thereby aiding in the ultimate advancement of liberty)

But at the same time lives his own life outside the bounds of any state, appealing instead to his own moral authority for guidance, and choosing only such actions as can be substantiated by his moral code.

699 posted on 07/15/2003 5:53:05 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Matchett-PI
"I hate to break it to you, but you are NOT a person who will have credibility with intellectually honest critical thinkers. And the others don't matter."

This is getting down right funny... do you honestly think I give a hoot, about a group of people that would place me or my country, in a position to die a slow death. Hell NO! For no matter how you spin your thinking... that's what one will end up with.


Please, before you reply.. think about this point... How many government programs has Bush ended? How many has he expanded? In your "intellectually honest critical thinking", do you not see that no matter who we have in office right now.. is does not bode well for the future of a FREE America?

Yes, Gore would have been worse, no question. But how much? I look around and see many programs that were defeated, held in committee, or shot down while Clinton was in office. That now are LAW. Signed into that Law, by Bush.

But yet, you tell me I am one-armed. Well, at least I still have two eyes to see what is in front of me. And your GOP isn't acting much better, then the Democrats that you seek safety from in the GOP.



700 posted on 07/15/2003 5:54:48 PM PDT by Refinersfire
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