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To: Matchett-PI
"I hate to break it to you, but you are NOT a person who will have credibility with intellectually honest critical thinkers. And the others don't matter."

This is getting down right funny... do you honestly think I give a hoot, about a group of people that would place me or my country, in a position to die a slow death. Hell NO! For no matter how you spin your thinking... that's what one will end up with.


Please, before you reply.. think about this point... How many government programs has Bush ended? How many has he expanded? In your "intellectually honest critical thinking", do you not see that no matter who we have in office right now.. is does not bode well for the future of a FREE America?

Yes, Gore would have been worse, no question. But how much? I look around and see many programs that were defeated, held in committee, or shot down while Clinton was in office. That now are LAW. Signed into that Law, by Bush.

But yet, you tell me I am one-armed. Well, at least I still have two eyes to see what is in front of me. And your GOP isn't acting much better, then the Democrats that you seek safety from in the GOP.



700 posted on 07/15/2003 5:54:48 PM PDT by Refinersfire
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To: Matchett-PI
Hey, the GOP is making me feel safe already...

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/15/gaddy.htm

FBI And DOJ Move To Subvert Political Process
By Michael Gaddy

With over 100 cities having voted nonsupport for the Patriot Act, the government has swung into action to influence the votes in jurisdictions that are considering such a vote, or those that might do so.

Obviously the pressure is beginning to mount. How can they expect to push Patriot II at us when so many have caught on to the game and are rejecting Patriot I?

The FBI, working in conjunction with DOJ, is now sending --through local police forces to city councils and other local government bodies --a piece of drivel called "US Patriot Act Myths." (See in its entirety below) A United States Attorney for the Western District of Pennsylvania, Mary Beth Buchanan, prepared this document.

This appears to be a cooperative effort between the FBI, DOJ and the local police departments of the cities considering legislation against the Patriot Act. DOJ prepared the propaganda; the FBI provides it to sources inside the police departments, who then send it to their cronies in the governing bodies.

This should put to rest the idea the police really want to honor their oaths to the Constitution.

Sources that shall remain anonymous, for obvious reasons, say that in addition to the state authored drivel, the governing bodies are being provided with lists of potential domestic terrorists within the governing bodies immediate area. These lists appear to be very much inflated. A jurisdiction of 40,000 inhabitants was provided with a three-page list of these potential domestic "terrorists."

Are we to believe for a moment that such a document is not intended to intimidate the governing body into supporting the Patriot Act out of abject fear? Attempts are now being made to secure one of these "lists." First indications are they have been classified and are not to be disseminated to the public, which ultimately means the governing bodies would not be able to confirm or deny the authenticity of such a list.

It is imperative to big brother that these tyrannical pieces of legislation receive full support. I have been told that Patriot II will establish data bases of all those, who for reasons I am sure they believe in, have seen fit to beg government for the rights guaranteed by our Creator through the Constitution, namely, those currently holding concealed carry permits.

Congressman Ron Paul in an earlier interview here at Sierra Times stated that no member of Congress was allowed to view Patriot I before the vote was called. Now the DOJ boasts of the level of support the act received in the Congress.

On February 7, 2003 the Center for Public Integrity, a nonpartisan public interest think-tank in Washington, revealed the full text of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003. (Patriot II) The classified document had been leaked to them by an unnamed source inside the Federal government. Remember, if you will, John Ashcroft's initial denial of the existence of this document.

There was a version of this act presented to Speaker of the House, Hastert, and many of the provisions of Patriot II are included in Senate Bill S.22. This is very important because it catches the Justice Department in a bald-faced lie. The Justice Department claimed that the secret legislation brought into the House was only for study, and there was no intention to try to pass it.

This legislation calls for registration of ALL gun owners and a national ballistics database, while prohibiting the private sale of firearms.

All of these Hitler-esque actions have passed through the various committees and have made their way into these pieces of legislation now pending. Where is the outcry from our lawmakers?

Remember all of the prevarications of government as you review the propaganda now being delivered to city councils etc. as they debate the local support and enforcement of the Patriot Acts.

717 posted on 07/15/2003 6:25:45 PM PDT by Refinersfire
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