The Tenet Fiasco - Discussion Thread

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[Cathryn Crawford]

George Tenet's admission last night that it was his mistake that caused President Bush to use faulty intelligence in his State of The Union address is interesting at the same time as it is convienent. In the statement itself, which is lengthy and filled with reasons as to the intelligence failure, Tenet wholeheartedly takes responsility for his agency.

"Let me be clear about several things right up front. First, CIA approved the President's State of the Union address before it was delivered. Second, I am responsible for the approval process in my Agency. And third, the President had every reason to believe that the text presented to him was sound. These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the President. "

On the face of it, this admission seems like the perfect solution to the growing problems for both the Bush and Blair administration. It's all CIA's fault, they can claim. But is that really viable?

On the face of it, perhaps. But Bush is the President. He has to take final responsibility, doesn't he?

If Bush can truly claim to know absolutely nothing, then don't we have a serious problem - wouldn't that imply that Bush is either incompetent or is simply not paying attention?

For discussion purposes - has Bush been conned by Tenet? And if he has, isn't that rather serious?

And if he wasn't conned by Tenet, what is the alternative?

[Mo1]

The libs will never go away.

Who said they would? and what does that have to do with supporting Bush as Cathryn claim?

[cyncooper]

I see you haven't read the Straw article yet, since it answered the question about Wilson and his supposedly negative reports.

[Lauratealeaf]

Great post arasina!

[PhiKapMom]

Your post #571 -- she wrote that?

All this rhetoric on here that Crawford really does like George W. Bush and is a Republican that voted for him is pure Bravo Sierra IMHO!

Republicans that support President Bush would NEVER write something like that! DemocRATs want to destroy all Republicans and as a lifelong Republican I am supposed to sit and say we need to be bi-partisan?

[PhiKapMom]

Hillary Clinton sure learned that well -- ends justifies the means. Just like she helped rewrite the rules of impeachment to get Nixon.

[arasina]

Now, now, VRWC For Truth. You saw the rules for this thread in Post #1.

This thread is for civil discussion of the different theories and reasons behind this situation. It is not a place for bashing of posters with different opinions.

1 posted on 07/12/2003 2:52 PM CDT by Cathryn Crawford
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Implication being, don't question the questioner. Post only if you agree or what you say will be considered bashing. We don't want to become a one-party system, now, do we? < /sarcasm WAY OFF >

[nopardons]

Many thanks for the ping and the link ! Both are greatly appreciated.:-)

[Dan from Michigan]

I don't want to see the Democratic Party eliminated.

I was responding to what was in bold.

As for supporting Bush, when he's right I back him, when he's wrong, I don't.

[nopardons]

Your's GLAD that Cathrine calls the president an incompitant and worse ?

[nopardons]

Your's GLAD that Cathryn calls the president an incompitant and worse ?

[PhiKapMom]

President Bush doesn't work that way. He never has and he never will. When are some of you going to understand that this President is honest and honorable. If he thought George Tenet should leave, then he would ask for his resignation. He doesn't make deals to keep someone's job. He governs and does what he thinks is best for the United States not for some individual person in a job.

President Bush does not stick a finger in the wind to see which way it is blowing either. He is loyal to people he has working for him and expects that same loyality -- no deals!

[Cathryn Crawford]

Consider the context of the Democratic Party quote, Dan.

[VRWC For Truth]

Better yet #573 and #574 agree with it.

[VRWC For Truth]

Jim Robinson sets the rules. Please don't take it personally if I ignore you.

[Z-28]

The Democrats opprobriate President Bush's every good action.

[hoosiermama]

of course not. Just glad I could give her my opinion directly.

I spent several hours e-mailing members of the media in the last two days. Sending them WM McKinley's work and the dem's talking points. Just "saved me a stamp" to type directly to her. (you wouldn't believe how many have "changed addresses")

[PhiKapMom]

Unbelieveable!

I just got an email from Newsmax about Hillary Clinton and a book that Limbacher wrote. He mentions that she has been planning to run for President for 20 years. Remember Thompson said that Wilkinson had been his source for 20 years. I know tin foil hat time! Here is the email and I am supposed to be bi-partisan and want Democrats to get elected because power corrupts! No one is more corrupt than the clintons and last I checked they were RATS!

My email from Newsmax:

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In shocking detail, investigative journalist Carl Limbacher here blows the lid off the New York senator's plans for a grand political coup, something she has been carefully and quietly plotting for more than 20 years. With a patience, doggedness, and thirst for the truth that few reporters have displayed, Limbacher got the full story of Hillary's plans by conducting extensive research into Hillary's past and securing exclusive interviews with Clinton insiders. He even questioned Hillary herself! Limbacher uncovers the juicy morsels, backroom deals, and insider wrangling surrounding Hillary's presidential ambitions -- the hidden details that the mainstream press is too intimidated by (or enamored of) the Clintons to tell you about.

Think that Hillary doesn't stand a chance to become President? Limbacher shows how they'll get around potential and real scandals of a magnitude that ended the careers of many politicians less resourceful and ruthless than they are. He explains how the Clintons' approach to issues that could derail their plans -- such as Whitewater and Bill's thirst for bimbos -- has been consistently characterized by a brazen disregard for the rule of law and even for common decency. With startling precision, Limbacher also draws parallels between today's political environment and that which existed in 1992 -- the year George H. W. Bush lost the race to an upstart governor from Arkansas.

Limbacher reveals the real answers to questions Hillary avoids in public -- and much more, including:

• Why Hillary is not likely to wait until 2008 to enter the race for President

• How Hillary torpedoed Al Gore's chances for a rematch with President Bush

• The Clintons: why they're the most calculating and cold-blooded political team America has seen since John and Robert Kennedy

• Compelling evidence that Hillary has accepted money from Muslim groups with open sympathy for terrorists

• The eleventh-hour dirty tricks machine that beat Bush the father in 1992 and almost beat Bush the son in 2000 -- a machine that Hillary is ready to use again when she runs

• Conclusive evidence of bribery in the last-minute pardon frenzy just before Bill Clinton left office

• Remember the furor over Hillary's calling an aide a "Jew b-----d"? It wasn't the only time she has indulged in vicious slurs

• How the Clintons have effectively silenced publicity about Bill's philandering (including details about the stash of explosives discovered in a Clinton security agent's car)

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[hoosiermama]

Read the first post here!

[nopardons]

You're on to CC! She imagines that she knows it all and should one disagree, they're automatically wrong and bashing poor, little, high scholl graduate, 20 year old her. LOL

[Torie]

This is a tempest in a teapot, except with the voters, where it has registered in the polls, negatively, for Bush. Thus the tempest has burst the teapot. The public has a considerable confusion about Iraq. They went for it because they trusted Bush, really. Forces are at play to erode that trust, and to the extent it erodes, so does the support for Iraq. Does it have any impact with me personally? No, hell no, but then my support for the endeavor came from considerably deeper wells of belief, and of a certain moral perspective about foreign policy, and the role of America on this planet.