Canada's 9-11

Envoy Encore ^ | June 21, 2003 | Pete Vere

[Theosis]

I was two-hundred miles from New York City when the terrorists struck the World Trade Center. I never thought I would live throught another event that would so affect the psyche of a nation. And yet, for our American readership, this is exactly what has happened this week as Canada legalizes homosexual marriages.

I spent a good part of the evening talking to various friends from back home – friends from among the Church hierarchy as well as those within the Catholic apologetics and pro-life community. The legalization of so-called homosexual marriages is the only topic on our mind right now. For those who keep tabs on such things, you have probably noticed the personality change among all the Canadians who hang around Envoy Encore. As the shock sets in, we've transformed from our usual laid-back and fun-loving selves into a group of angry and bitter people.

Thus calling this Canada’s Moral September 11th is not melodramatic on my part. I cannot begin to explain the effect this is having on our national psyche. Unlike America which is still fighting the culture war, Canada has now crossed the Tiber back into pagan lands.

[Theosis]

Folks, this is just across the border!

[Theosis]

ping!

[AZLiberty]

Perhaps this is Canada's version of homeland defense. Now all the Muslims will go back home.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Comparing gay marriages to 9-11? Yeah, not melodramatic at all. *roll eyes*

[Mr. Mojo]

Definitely a nasty day in Canadian history, but to compare it with the killing of thousands of people is a bit insane.

[Wilhelm Tell]

How long before it is a "hate crime" for a church to refuse to "marry" a same-sex "couple?" Whereas before I'm sure some very liberal "churches" had "wedding ceremonies" for same-sex "couples," there were more conservative churches that only recognized traditional marriage. So you were free to go to a liberal church or a more traditional church, depending on your beliefs about a number of things.

You know it won't be good enough for the homosexists to have their liberal churches and to let the conservative churches alone. No, they will use the force of government to make traditional churches accept homosexual "marriage" or disband. There will not be the SLIGHTEST toleration towards anyone who doesn't follow the official dogma -- all in the name of "tolerance" and "diversity." Also, it is interesting how the left for years used to go on about how "useless" and "worthless" marriage was. Their ideal was brief, undemanding relationships and they ridiculed love and commitment. In the past five years marriage has gone from being an anachronism to being the most important thing in the world to the left (as long as it's "gay" marriage).

[Wilhelm Tell]

The presentation was a little over the top but I think the author's premise is basically sound: On 9-11 America was attacked by external enemies, while with this gay "marriage" ruling and other things Canada is being attacked by internal enemies. I can understand the author's anguish at seeing a decent country self-destruct really over nothing (I mean "nothing" in the sense that things that any sane person should scoff at and dismiss are becomming the centerpiece of an increasingly arbitrary and unjust system of law).

[irgbar-man]

My advice to the American people? This has taken place not in the distant future, but just across your northern border by a group of people who for the most part look and sound like Americans. So begin lobbying your elected officials now for a constitutional ammendment to protect the common definition of marriage.

Not a bad idea at all.

[Loyalist]

Perhaps this is Canada's version of homeland defense. Now all the Muslims will go back home.

Multiculturalism and liberal tolerance are about to have their first major head-on clash in Canada, and it will be ugly.

Some of the so-called Christian churches will roll over for the state on this issue, but I have no illusions about our growing populations of Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus accepting homosexual 'marriage'.

[pttttt]

Marriage, as we understand it is a custom and a social institution, has evolved over millenia, along with accompanying customs on child raising, parental rights and duties, and property.

Heretofore, marriage of a man and a woman has been perhaps the most universally recognized and portable social convention (see e.g. http://www.dfat.gov.au/travel/marriage_os.html).

But this will pose an exception to that, as the Australian Government has in their law (the Hague Convention on Marriage is silent AFAIK on same-sex marriages).

And it sets a ludicrous precedent. What'll be next? Someone decides they want to marry their dog? Gimme a break.

[VOA]

Canada has now crossed the Tiber back into pagan lands

But note:
The Province of Alberta is fighting back, from what I hear in radio reports.
As I understand, the provincial government of Alberta has said they will do some sort
of "opt-out" of the gay-marriage situation.

As a US citizen, I don't know if this will actually work, but at least the
folks in Alberta putting up a fight.

[JonathansMommie]

What's this world comming too. Ping

[gcruse]

I was two-hundred miles from New York City when the terrorists struck the World Trade Center. I never thought I would live throught another event that would so affect the psyche of a nation

Equating the shock of homosexual marriage in Canada to the World Trade Center attacks in America is revolting.  Thousands of people died in New York, remember?  Pious outgassing unable to distinguish a difference between how other people wish to live their lives and  innocents being  blown to bits in the marketplace is Islamic to the core.  The Taliban are here, and they are no longer Arabic.

[Theosis]

Equating the shock of homosexual marriage in Canada to the World Trade Center attacks in America is revolting. Thousands of people died in New York, remember?

Not necessarily. Despite the loss of life, America emerged from 9-11 much stronger as a democracy. On the other hand, the legalization of homosexual marriages in Canada emerged from the court-system, in opposition to the will of most Canadians. Basically, Canada is now governed by an unelected judiciary.

[biffalobull]

As a US citizen, I don't know if this will actually work, but at least the folks in Alberta putting up a fight.

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT

Our Priemer, Ralph Klien says that it will Not happen in Alberta. And he has a huge majority of the populace behind him. Tell me, are there not a large number of States in the US that have legalized same sex marriages.?

[dufekin]

Well, easy enough. Have Alberta submit an (US) application for statehood.

[gcruse]

I feel sorry for you. If your life is so disrupted by how other adults choose to live theirs, that you equate the shock you feel to the deaths of thousands, your need to control others is a pathology. You have my sympathies.

[saquin]

As a New Yorker, I'm incredibly insulted by the premise of this column. 3, 000 innocent men women and children incinerated = consenting adults who love each other being allowed to marry?
I don't think so. Attempting to equate them is disgusting.

Anway, I don't see what gets people so upset by the concept of gay marriage. They're consenting adults, they're not hurting anyone... why the moral outrage to the point that someone would even think of equating it with 9/11? Maybe I'm the minority here, but I believe a certain percentage of people are born destined to be homosexual. It's been that way through the ages. I don't see the point in denying death benefits, right of hospital visitation, etc. to the person they have chosen to spend their life with. It doesn't bother me in the least. I think there are much larger things to worry about in this world.

When I was growing up, in a nice Ozzie and Harriet suburban community, a gay man lived in the house next door, all through my childhood. He was a very nice neighbor and always kind to me (I'm female, in case anyone should jump to a wrong conclusion.) I always knew he was gay, so maybe knowing a gay person firsthand from the time I was very wrong has kept me from developing prejudices. I'm thankful for it.

[longtermmemmory]

The taliban are the homosexuals. The taliban are the regressive liberals who impose their brand of thought crime.

The CBC and others may cover what the man on the street in saying. (and we do mean saying) The public is disgusted and outraged over this homosexual marriage deviance. Cretian is a fool and has done this to make his own anticoncervative mark. I have not spoken to one, not one, canadian who approves of this. It is NOT just the devout religioius people who object. Its Joe average canadian who objects.

Moslems would support this since now they can easily push to have their polygamist marragages recognized. If you allow one you SHALL allow the other.

Only homosexuals would not understand, just like the al-queda did not understand the US reaction to the bombings. Just like the terrorist did not understand what would happen in afganistan or Iraq. Homosexuals don't get it because they are not parents raising children. They do not have a generational contitnuation. For them its only about sex.

[VOA]

Tell me, are there not a large number of States in the US that have legalized same sex marriages.?

I'm not an expert on the topic...but I think only the state of Vermont has
passed anything resembling anything close to real "same-sex marraige".
IIRC, most of these ceremonies are performed for couples from states other than VT.

I think (and am fully open to correction), but the "gay weddings" you see,
especially the mass ceremonies in places like San Francisco are just
"show" marriages, not recognized legally.

Amazing as it will seem, California passed a "protection of marriage"
(as in only for man-woman union) a few years ago by state referendum.
I think it passed with something like 65-70% of the vote.

I suspect this didn't get that much national press coverage, nor a court
invalidation...the gay-agenda parts of the national media doesn't want the
rest of the USA (or the world for that matter) to know that the concept of gay marriage
doesn't even fly with 50% of Californians.

I give the gay Nazis credit. Just like Adolph and his buddies, they know how
to hang on and bid their time on their way to seizing power over matrimony.