Kathy Ireland on Scarborough...on Pro-Life Issue...now

The dumb blonde is an actress on the soap opera "The Young and the Restless."

Scarborough had her on a couple of weeks ago to debate Ann Coulter. Needless to say she was a bit out of her league.

Ouch! That's gotta hurt her knees.

I missed that show! I would have loved to see her debate Ann Coulter. She came across as overbearing and not too bright!

Ouch! That's gotta hurt her knees.

She's a professional.

At one point in the debate, Ann Coulter just laughed and shook her head. The subject was "blacklisting" in Hollywood. Heather is under the impression that actors' freedom of speech is being squelched by the Bush admin because some citizens are making choices that include not spending their money on the work of Hollywood libs.

I noticed tonight that Heather brought that up again: The Bush admin has the Hollywood libs scared to death to speak their minds, blah, blah, blah.

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Heather, it's called business.

I have to admit I've never heard of the blonde one, but I along with most Americans probably know Kathy Ireland....I'd say that Kathy's opinion has a louder effect than an unknown soap player.
Then again although I like Ireland, I couldn't care less what a famous person thinks over someone I know well.

Not only is Kathy Ireland a GORGEOUS woman, but she is VERY bright, and completely Pro-Life.

OK...I can wipe the drool off my computer now. :-D

Transcript from Scarborough Country for pro-Life Kathy Ireland vs Y & R's Heather Tom (who also debated Ann Coulter recently on Sean Penn... transcript here

(HEADLINE NEWS BREAK)

SCARBOROUGH: Hey, welcome back to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. I’m Joe Scarborough. Glad you could be here with us tonight. Now, 30 years after the landmark abortion case, Roe vs. Wade, the former Jane Roe is asking a Texas court to reopen the case and reverse the decision. Since becoming a Christian in the 1990’s, Norma McCorvey had a change of heart, starting her own pro-life ministry called Roe No More.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NORMA MCCORVEY, “JANE ROE”: It gave me kind of a time to reflect on the first court case of Roe vs. Wade that brought the holocaust of abortion. And it suddenly dawned on me that I feel good about myself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Amen.

MCCORVEY: I really do. I feel like the weight of the world has just been lifted off my shoulders.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCARBOROUGH: Now, if the Texas court grants McCorvey a hearing, the case will likely go all the way back up to the United States Supreme Court. And with us tonight, we have actress, Heather Tom, from “The Young and The Restless”, and lifestyle designer, Kathy Ireland, who is the author of “Powerful Inspirations, Eight Lessons That Will Change Your Life”. I would like to thank both of you for being with us tonight. And let me begin with you, Kathy. You used to be pro-choice. Now you’re pro-life. Tell me why.

KATHY IRELAND, DESIGNER, AUTHOR: Absolutely. I was always pro-choice. As a woman who always has and always will continue to fight for the rights of women, I am angered and offended that this issue has been politicized and become a political football. And I am angry that it has been marketed to women as a women’s rights issue. This is a human rights issue. I was caught up in the emotion when I was pro-choice, but when I learned the scientific facts that the unborn, from the moment of conception, it’s a human being. If you look at any biology textbook, you will see...

(CROSSTALK)

HEATHER TOM, PRO-CHOICE ACTIVIST: Let me say something here...

IRELAND: ... that from the moment of conception, a new life comes into being, and this new life...

(CROSSTALK)

HEATHER TOM, ACTRESS: I’d like to jump in here if I can, to talk about (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

IRELAND: ... has a complete genetic blueprint.

SCARBOROUGH: Hold on, hold on, Heather. We’ll get to you, Heather.

IRELAND: This new life - excuse me, Heather - This new life has a complete genetic blue print. The fingerprints are unique, the blood type is determined, the sex is determined. But what kind of life is this? According to the law of biogenesis, all life comes from preexisting life. Each species reproduces after its own kind, therefore human beings can only reproduce other human beings. And if anyone has evidence - Heather, if you have evidence that the unborn is not a human being, I would happily join the pro-choice side.

SCARBOROUGH: You know, Heather, let me ask you a question about why you believe...

TOM: All right.

SCARBOROUGH: ... what you believe. And we’re talking, obviously, about something that’s been on the front pages today. But you know, I’ve found it very interesting, when you know, I’ve got children and my wife’s expecting a child, and it’s very interesting, when you go and look at the ultrasound one month, two months, three months into it, they don’t talk about the fetus, they don’t talk about whatever, the embryo, they always talk about your baby. This is whether they’re pro-life or pro-choice. I mean, don’t you...

TOM: Right.

SCARBOROUGH: ... instinctively think - I mean, have you ever seen an ultrasound...

(CROSSTALK)

TOM: Let’s talk about life at conception. Life at conception is a moral issue. It’s a philosophical question. There is no scientific...

IRELAND: It’s a scientific fact.

(CROSSTALK)

TOM: ... that says life starts at conception. Excuse me, my turn to talk now. It has been politicized to fight against the use of contraception, to fight against reproductive rights and to also advocate abstinence only sexual Education. You are absolutely right. This issue has been politicized, and that is wrong. I do not need my legislature telling me what I can and cannot choose. I do not need my government making my personal choices for me.

SCARBOROUGH: Well, Heather, do you...

(CROSSTALK)

IRELAND: Is it OK, Heather...

SCARBOROUGH: Heather...

IRELAND: I have a question for you. Is it all right for a mother and father to abuse their child in the privacy of their own home? What it’s about is what is it? And I agree with you, Heather. I completely understand where you’re coming from...

TOM: We are talking...

IRELAND: ... because I was pro-choice.

TOM: about (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and legally

IRELAND: There are a lot of good arguments for birth control, Heather

TOM: That’s what we are talking about...

IRELAND: There are a lot of good...

SCARBOROUGH: All right, hold on.

TOM: ... talking about whether the fetus can live outside of the woman’s body. We’re not talking...

IRELAND: Many, many...

TOM: ... about the child living and breathing in someone’s home. We are talking about a fetus inside a woman’s body. That’s what we’re talking about. We are talking about...

SCARBOROUGH: Well, Heather, let’s talk about that.

TOM: And we are talking about...

SCARBOROUGH: All right, Heather, let’s talk about that for a second.

TOM: OK, let’s talk about that.

SCARBOROUGH: Let’s talk about like for instance,

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH: Heather, let me ask you a quick question.

TOM: ... health decisions.

SCARBOROUGH: OK. Heather. Let’s ask you a question about-We’ve seen the Scott and Laci Peterson case. Obviously we’ve had a big debate about fetal homicide laws. The president of the United States is about to sign a bill that will outlaw partial birth abortions. Do you think that’s OK? Is that acceptable for the United States of America to say that partial birth abortion should not be legal?

TOM: Let’s talk about partial birth abortions. There’s no such thing as a partial birth abortion. This has to do with late-term abortions. These late term abortions happen very rarely. Most often they are a medical necessity. And this bill leaves no room for the health of the woman. They have effectively raised the rights of the fetus...

IRELAND: Heather...

TOM: ... above the rights of the woman.

SCARBOROUGH: All right, Kathy Ireland, respond to that.

IRELAND: Here is where - OK. I believe that if abortion does not take the life of an innocent human being, have as many abortions you want, whenever you want, wherever you want, no justification is necessary. If, on the other hand, abortion does take the life of an innocent human being, no justification is adequate unless another human life is at risk. And in that instance, you are not acting to kill, you are acting to save the life of the mother.

SCARBOROUGH: All right, Kathy, let me...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH: Hold on. Kathy. Kathy.

TOM: This is a personal choice.

SCARBOROUGH: All right Kathy. Let me play-Heather, hold on a second. Kathy, let me play devil’s advocate with you for a second. What do you think about the exceptions? Like, for instance, in rape or incest, do you think abortion should be legal in cases of rape and incest?

IRELAND: Rape and incest are horrific acts. And you have to go back to the question, we cannot decide if we can kill it until we determine what it is that we can kill. Once you answer that question, that will answer the question for you. When a woman becomes pregnant from a rape, there are two...

(CROSSTALK)

TOM: I think that if you really want...

SCARBOROUGH: Hold on, Heather. Listen, listen. Hold on. Cut of the mikes. Cut off the mikes for a second. Cut off the mikes!! Please, one at a time. We’ve got enough time for everybody. Let’s go back to Kathy, then we’ll go to Heather, and we’ll do it one at a time. Kathy...

TOM: All right.

SCARBOROUGH: ... I understand the point you were starting to make, but again, answer the question, do you believe that in cases of rape and incest, for you personally, that abortion is wrong? And it should be outlawed?

IRELAND: We have to answer the question of, what is it? Is it a human being? Once you answer that question, that will answer the question, is it OK? When a woman becomes pregnant from rape, there are two victims. Should a woman be allowed to kill her rapist once he’s served his time? Because looking at him will cause her undue hardship. What we need to do is roll up our sleeves and help women who are in a crisis pregnancy situation.

SCARBOROUGH: I understand-I agree with you, Kathy, but what’s your answer to that? For you personally, do you believe that abortion in cases of rape and incest should be illegal?

IRELAND: I do not think that abortion-I do not think that abortion in any case is going to make a woman, except if her life is in jeopardy. That is when I feel it is justified.

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH: Heather...

IRELAND: There’s no easy answer. When a woman is in a crisis center...

(CROSSTALK)

TOM: So if you - if her life is in jeopardy, then you do...

SCARBOROUGH: OK, listen. We’re going to have to take a quick...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH: We are going to have to take a quick break, everybody. We are going to have to take a quick break. When we come back - Hold on. You’ve got to stop so I can talk and say we’re going to break. But when we come back, we’ll go to Heather Tom and get her response to that question and many more when SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY returns. Stick around, and I promise, when we come back, everybody is agreed to talk one at a time. We will be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) Welcome back to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY. I’m Joe Scarborough. We’ve got Heather Tom, of the “Young and Restless”, and we have Kathy Ireland with us also. And, Heather, it is your turn to respond. Let me ask you a...

TOM: All right.

SCARBOROUGH: ... question though - a follow-up question first. You certainly have heard many conservative pro-life people saying that they were against abortion in cases of rape and incest. And when that happens, everybody throws their arms up and say, how in the world can you believe that way. But you just heard Kathy Ireland talk, and doesn’t it make sense to you that if you believe that abortion is a killing of an innocent life, then it doesn’t matter how that innocent life was created. That makes sense to you, doesn’t it?

TOM: Well, I suppose that would make sense to me, although Kathy didn’t really answer the question. I want to go back...

(CROSSTALK)

IRELAND: What question didn’t I answer?

TOM: ... a little bit to life and conception. One second. Hang on a minute. If we really want to lessen the occurrences of abortion in the United States, we will provide women with the resources and the information to prevent unwanted pregnancies. We will provide women - let’s say - emergency contraception over the counter. Outlawing abortion is not going to make it stop. It is only going to make it more dangerous.

SCARBOROUGH: OK.

TOM: It is a personal issue.

SCARBOROUGH: All right, lets move on to a broader issue of Hollywood activistism. Kathy, we’ve had Heather on many times, and she has been...

TOM: Again?

SCARBOROUGH: ... she’s been very good to come on our show and has done a very good job defending Hollywood. I want to ask you, though, as somebody who’s apparently has conservative views and certainly pro-life views. Have you always found yourself, as a conservative, on the minority side of the Hollywood viewpoint, and do you believe - do you ever believe that it’s cost you jobs out there?

IRELAND: Well, first of all, I don’t like labels. I believe they cause us to dismiss one another assuming we know all there is to know about someone else. And I feel that I am extremely liberal when it comes to protecting the human rights of the unborn. I grew up believing that the liberals were all about protecting the underdog, the little guy. And who among us is more vulnerable than the unborn. And I - Heather, I totally understand where you’re coming from. I understand that for many pro-choice people this is a very emotional issue, but it’s lacking scientific evidence.

(CROSSTALK)

TOM: The bottom line is it’s a personal choice that a woman makes for herself. The anti-choice advocates are basically saying that women are not intelligent enough to make an informed decision regarding her health and regarding her body.

SCARBOROUGH: All right. OK. OK. You all have gone back to abortion. I understand that, but Heather...

TOM: You want to talk about Hollywood...

SCARBOROUGH: ... let’s stick for a second to Hollywood. Now certainly, you would agree with me, because I’ve got friends out in Hollywood, some pretty powerful friends out there, whose names I won’t reveal because I’ll probably hurt their career. But you have got to agree with me that somebody coming out and taking a pro-life stance does not help their career in Hollywood, does it?

TOM: I would say that at this point, someone coming out and taking a pro-choice stand would hurt their career more than taking a pro-life stand. I think that...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH: Wait, wait. In Hollywood?

TOM: Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: In Hollywood?

TOM: Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: I mean, I went to awards programs where everybody - oh, you’re a Congressman, that’s great. They’d introduce me, Congressman Scarborough. Go around shaking people’s hands. Then they would say you’re a Democrat? Right? And I would say, No, I’m a Republican.

(CROSSTALK)

TOM: It is very unpopular right now...

SCARBOROUGH: Seriously, everybody would just move away. So you think that being pro-choice in Hollywood would actually hurt an actress more than being pro-life in Hollywood?

TOM: I think at this point if you were willing to stand up against this administration for their policies, then, yes, I think that it will hurt you more than if you’re just ready to fall in line behind everybody else.

SCARBOROUGH: So you’re still taking the point that you believe there’s blacklisting going on in Hollywood?

TOM: I believe that there is an atmosphere of fear. I believe that people are afraid to stand up and say what they believe in if it is not-if it doesn’t happen to be which way the wind is blowing at the time. So yes, I think at this point, because of the current situation in Washington, it’s very unpopular to disagree.

SCARBOROUGH: Kathy Ireland, do you have any response to that?

IRELAND: I became pro-life about 10 years ago. And it’s irrelevant to me about whether it’s popular or not. What this is about is about human beings being killed at the rate of over one million a year in this country. And if anybody out there has any scientific evidence that the unborn is not a human being, please share that information with me.

SCARBOROUGH: All right, thank you very much.

IRELAND: And until I hear that...

SCARBOROUGH: Kathy Ireland...

IRELAND: ... I will continue to fight for the unborn.

SCARBOROUGH: All right. Thank you, Kathy Ireland. Thank you, Heather Tom. And Kathy Ireland, I’ve got to tell you, if you want it, you’ve got a future in politics, because you stay on message. Stay on message. Very good. Coming up on SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY...

pro-life debate in post #50 with Kathy Ireland.

bttt

Does anyone have contact information for Kathy? She could use just a little tweek in her lines of argument and I'm just arrogant enough to send them to her.

Nice job...thanks so much for posting.

She has an online contact form, where it says she is Executive Editor of the website and reads the comments. Here

There is also info on that same site, for contact for a person at Sterling Winters (the co. that owns her website):

Richard Morales
Director of Communications for Kathy Ireland Brand
Office: (310) 557-2700, ext. 144
Fax: (310) 557-1722
E-mail: rmorales@sterlingwinters.com

You might also try Scarborough Joe to see if they'll direct you to their own contact (probably her manager).

Quite welcome.

ping

Actually, I think she did very well: stick with the human rights issue and the fact that the unborn are human, are alive, and are killed by abortion. (Okay, one tweak: She could have mentioned that "emergency contraception is intended as an abortifacient.)

Thanks for the heads up!