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300,000 M-14s destined for trash pile
WorldNet Daily ^ | June 15, 2003

Posted on 06/15/2003 1:13:08 PM PDT by Mini-14

A petition drive is underway to convince lawmakers to "civilianize" hundreds of thousands of M-14 military battle rifles so they can be legally sold by the government to the general public as a way to pay for the Iraq war.

According to the online petition, "there is a strong demand for an M-14 DCM [Director of Civilian Marksmanship] program, which will curb government waste by providing up to $300-600 million [for] deficit reduction."

 


M-14

"With uncertainty of the price tag of the current war, this will help pay for freedoms we enjoy in this country," says the petition. "With the looming war deficit, our government should not throw away hundreds of millions of dollars by destroying M-14 rifles – some of which are brand new."

The petition, which is being spearheaded by Robert A. Yoder, says as many as 300,000 rifles could wind up in the scrap heap without the government getting any return on its investment.

The DCM program to save the M-14s could work like a similar program involving another venerable military workhorse, the M-1 (Garand) and M-1 carbine series of military rifles.

 


M1 Garand

The DCM sold those through the Civilian Marksmanship Program, a course that promotes firearms safety training and rifle practice for all qualified U.S. citizens with special emphasis on youth.

The Civilian Marksmanship Program also offers for sale AR-15-type match rifles, M1917 Enfields, M1903 bolt-action rifles (a former U.S. military weapon) and .22-caliber target rifles at subsidized rates.

 


M1903 bolt-action rifle

"The U.S. Rifle, 7.62 mm, M-14 was the first rifle the U. S. fielded that improved upon the highly regarded U. S. Rifle, Caliber.30, M1 (Garand) and attempted to give U. S. Forces a NATO-standardized weapon," says the online petition. "The M-14 came into active service around 1957 and remained the standard infantry weapon until the official adoption of the M-16 rifle in the late 1960s.

"Like its predecessor, the M-14 is now relegated to ship's arms rooms, ROTC detachments, storage bins in government arsenals and, of late, the demilitarized scrap pile," says the petition.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; cmp; firearm; firearms; gun; guns; m14
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To: in the Arena
Agree.....laste year we saw a LA Sheriff Dept armored vehicle (old USAF peacekeeper) pull up with an M60 on top when they burned down the cop killers house.

I read recently here on FR that some small parish police department in Louisiana was buying SAW M249's.........These are just the ones presstitutes let us in on.

Don't get me wrong I firmly believe in full auto small arms for dynamic entries but to recon by fire in the burbs with a belt fed weapon is BS....IMO.

Stay Safe

101 posted on 06/16/2003 10:38:43 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: ExSoldier
I have a Mil-Dot instruction manual a buddy of mine got me from his unit's MTU (Marksmanship Training Unit).

Go to the tutorial on this website.

www.shooterready.com

It's a lot of fun. It's on the left side in the column and under mildot ranging. My son bought the game and we had a lot of fun with it. I still have a problem with the wind.

102 posted on 06/16/2003 10:49:58 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Mini-14; CapandBall
Bump for #9312
103 posted on 06/16/2003 11:17:48 AM PDT by m1911
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Got a credit card to get an advance?

It's a thought, but I don't care to do things on the never-never.

If it's still available four days from now, I'll do it. If not, the money will go for ammo and clips for the very nice match Garand I now have, tuned by Marine riflesmith Rollie Beaver of Arkansas.

After that, I think I'll set some money aside for an M14 and supporting accessories. If the *assault weapons ban* sunsets in the Fall of 2004, M14 magazines should again become available at reasonable prices well below the $40-$50 each they're tagged at now. And if one becomes available from the CMP, swell. If not, building one up on a Springfield Armory M1A or Armscorp aftermarket receiver will do.

104 posted on 06/16/2003 11:18:20 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Squantos; SLB; the irate magistrate
I still remember my M-14 serial number from years ago. I'd like to buy that one!
105 posted on 06/16/2003 11:22:44 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: steplock
Just signed it. Only 9338 signatures so far? It's gonna need 100 times that, at least, to get anywhere IMHO.
106 posted on 06/16/2003 11:35:40 AM PDT by OKSooner
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Bump for a letter to Warner, Allen and Cantor. Warner is generally useless, although I suspect his position on the Armed Services Committee could be of help if he wanted to use some push on this.
107 posted on 06/16/2003 12:19:14 PM PDT by m1911
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To: Mini-14
Bump for the later crowd
108 posted on 06/16/2003 2:16:54 PM PDT by m1911
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To: Mini-14
I have signed this and also talked to my Congressman (Doc Hastings) about this.
109 posted on 06/16/2003 2:26:38 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: Squantos
? didn't I read a thread here about some pucker-brush town police department in Louisana picking up a ma-deuce?

lots of lea's and state govts. are getting in on homeland security grants and spending it on what fits the guidelines of the grants. there are taxpayer supported agency groups that have meetings to sit down with the grant proposals and brainstorm on how they can get this grant to spend it.

similar to school boards that will fill every closet with supplies as the fiscal year winds down (whether they'll use the crap or not), they spend it or lose the appropriation for the subsequent year... and these one time sugar grants are frosting.

why? because they can.

so next time yer in pucker-brush LA, think carefully bout them local ordinances. you don't want any surprises :)
110 posted on 06/16/2003 2:56:59 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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And another bump for almost 6
111 posted on 06/16/2003 2:57:03 PM PDT by m1911
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To: Mini-14
I was around for the conversion from the 14 to the 16 and let me tell you that the first generation of those little mattel toys (the 16) sucked, big time. They tried to completely replace our outfit and the things failed on the first mission. The first generation 16s were not reliable, they jammed easily when slightly dirty (hey, we're in a jungle here, I ain't got time to break down and clean my weapon in the middle of a firefight) their small caliber round was easily deflected in the deep brush. I could go on and on here. My whole company came back to the quartermaster and threw the damned things back at him and demanded our 14s back. The CO was the first one in line. That pretty much ended that. As the story goes, the 2nd generation of the 16 was much better. But, our outfit demanded to carry both, the 16 and the 14, just couldn't trust it after the initial useage.

You could dunk a 14 in a rice patty and the damn thing actually worked better. You grab one from your buddy in a fire fight, click in you combat zero and it was like your own weapon. Turn that bad boy to "rock & roll" and you got yourself a mini-BAR. Saw a guy chop down a big palm tree with 3 clips. The weapon would rock the enemy's world and only give a little kick.

I loved that rifle. I've owned many a long rifle but nothing, nothing shoots like an M-14. You hit what you aim at without a fancy scope.

I wish they would auction those rifles off instead of destroying a fine weapon. Break them up into lots and give them to VFWs and American Legion posts. Let them raffle them off for 25 buck a pop. Do something, but don't destroy a work of art like these weapons. Boys became men at the butt of them, enemies were thwarted and the mussle of them. They were the best friends of the brave grunts that carried them. Give them a better home, not a roaring furnace.

112 posted on 06/16/2003 3:02:39 PM PDT by timydnuc (FR)
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To: ExSoldier
Get the SA scope. I have one on mine, and it is indeed a sweety.

The 1st Generation will set you back about 500 bucks, 2nd Generation around 600.

Money well spent IMO.

L

113 posted on 06/16/2003 3:15:07 PM PDT by Lurker (A 'moderate' Arab is one who carries a grudge for less than 8 generations.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
That was 1962! However, the Federal Supply Catalog would be the place to begin or more specifically

Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service

114 posted on 06/16/2003 3:18:10 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Eaker
I saw a Cadillac deflected by a VW bug. The Cadillac still won.
115 posted on 06/16/2003 5:44:04 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (I need to keep my .50 BMG so I can stop you when you come to take it. ><>)
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To: Blue Collar Christian; Shooter 2.5
Agreed.

Shooter has training and knowledge.

I have not had time to run the numbers and won't for a while.

I will still trust a .223 or a .308 through a playing card.


Eaker

116 posted on 06/16/2003 6:03:38 PM PDT by Eaker (AdiĆ³s reality; I want to be a Jack-Ass millionaire!!............;<)
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To: glorgau
So do I, probablly the only thing I'll get for my tax dollars.
117 posted on 06/16/2003 6:07:01 PM PDT by LauraJean (Fukai please pass the squid sauce)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
I saw a Cadillac deflected by a VW bug. The Cadillac still won.

Since you didn't address that comment to me, I missed it. That's pretty good. I'll have to remember that one.

As Eaker said: Agreed. I was adding a bit of information when people talk about brush busters. Yes, It will go through brush. It just may fail as to where in the brush it may wind up.

This subject had come up once in a while and I have spent hours looking for that particular picture without success. The closest I can tell each of you is kind of a humorous portion of a video that was sold a long time back called "Deadly Weapons". It was a entertaining video with no real science to it. They put some brush in a pile and tried to shoot through it. Some rounds made it and the narrator was shocked that a .50 BMG was deflected. The look on his face was funny. I mentioned the .50 before but I thought I would elaborate on it some more.

118 posted on 06/16/2003 6:26:29 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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Late night bump for anyone who hasn't seen it already. Get M14's to the CMP!
119 posted on 06/16/2003 7:27:38 PM PDT by m1911
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To: m1911
done #9951
120 posted on 06/16/2003 8:11:49 PM PDT by CapandBall
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