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TSA wrecks Texas caribou hunters meat
The Anchorage Daily News ^ | May 31st | Craig Medred

Posted on 05/31/2003 9:23:39 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector

Alaska caribou hunter is livid after airport security damages meat U.S. Transportation Security Administration is investigating

By CRAIG MEDRED Anchorage Daily News

(Published: May 31, 2003)

Caribou hunter David Williams arrived home in Houston, Texas, from an Alaska adventure in March to find a nasty surprise from the U.S. Transportation Security Administration.

When Williams cut open the strapping tape holding shut the first of two wet-lock boxes full of carefully handled, carefully packaged caribou roasts, steaks and burger, he found inside a mess and a preprinted form from the TSA informing him his airline baggage had been "inspected.''

The inspection, in this case, involved slicing open 45 packages of caribou double-wrapped in freezer paper and marked "roast,'' "backstrap'' and "caribou hamburger.''

Two months later, Williams is still mad about it.

"This baggage inspection was not done in my presence,'' he said. "Therefore I don't know if the meat was stacked on the floor during the 'prohibited item search.' Was any of it swabbed by chemicals for explosive detection? Did any bomb-sniffing dogs lick the caribou meat? Did the TSA inspectors wear new, previously unused rubber latex gloves while handling our tenderloins, or had they just finished handling someone's dirty underwear?

''The value of this caribou meat is about $28 per pound, and we are afraid to eat it. Would you eat it?''

Appeals to the airlines that hauled the meat brought no response, Williams added. They said it's not their fault.

And the Houston hunter, a former Alaska lodge owner, has had trouble getting any response out of the TSA.

TSA Alaska director Ken Jarman on Friday said he had only recently heard about what happened and begun investigating. He is, he added, determined to get to the bottom of the incident. He said he was almost as shocked as Williams at what happened.

"I'm a hunter and fisherman, too,'' Jarman said.

Cutting open packaged game meat or fish is against both TSA policy and procedure, he added.

Baggage inspectors on the X-ray line in Anchorage aren't even allowed to slice packages open if the alarm goes off on a bag there, he said. And in Kenai, where there is no X-ray, baggage checkers hand-inspecting bags are supposed to pass fish and game meat -- not cut it up.

"I feel badly about this,'' Jarman said. "It is under investigation. We are looking into it.''

He also offered assurances to the many anglers now beginning to ship fish south from Alaska that they shouldn't have to worry about the sort of bad experience endured by Williams, who has cooled down somewhat from the day he opened the first meat box in his garage.

"I opened the first box, and that was the first time I knew anything because they had retaped the box,'' he said. "I was irate. I was glad I couldn't get a hold of somebody when I opened that box. I had to cool down before I did anything I was so upset.''

Williams suspects the meat-slashing took place at the Kenai airport, where he first boarded a commercial flight upon returning from a caribou hunt in the Iliamna area. He was participating in a special winter hunt the state Board of Game established several years ago to try to trim the growing Mulchatna caribou herd before it overtaxes its range.

Williams said he was glad to have the opportunity.

Going to Alaska to hunt and fish, he said, "is my favorite thing to do. I don't bowl. I don't play golf. We usually go up in June and again in July. I went up early to get a caribou. I hadn't been up in winter in a long time, and we were out of meat.''

Williams said he plans to come back soon to fish, even though the March trip left him angry. Mainly, he said, he wants the government to get the baggage-inspection system fixed in Alaska. He has, he said, shipped meat and fish through major airports across the country and never had a problem like this.

"I'm trying to make a little stink about it,'' Williams admitted. "If nobody says anything, it just gets worse.

"Something needs to be changed so all of that stuff is scanned and not cut open. I have taken meat through the Houston airport and asked that it be scanned, and it has passed perfectly through a scanner.''

Similar scanners, Jarman said, are now being used for everything in Anchorage. And he's trying to get scanners for Kenai. Inspectors there, at the moment, are still hand-inspecting, but they are not supposed to slice anything open.

Williams wonders about that.

"The government doesn't have any customer service,'' he said.

Jarman, however, assured that the TSA in Alaska will try to act like it does.


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To: ContentiousObjector
Let's just all ignore the fact that this was one screener who was going against TSA rules in manhandling this man's caribour.

There, now you can all have a go at ME and tell me how stupid I am for injecting a little truth into this harangue you all have going here.

21 posted on 06/01/2003 5:03:18 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Squantos
........if the rental wannabe doesn't like the look of ya they trip it........

Some months ago I was at Denver airport.
I had carefully removed all metallic objects from my person in order to avoid setting off the metal detector.

The screener waves his magic wand over and around me, down my legs and 'BEEP'.

The eyelets on my shoes set it off.( there may be a 'beep' button on the wand)
Of course I now have to go over and remove my shoes.

He wanted my shoes off, one way or the other.

IMHO.. this security hoax is killing the airline industry. Searching baby diapers, old women, etc.

I can fly free but if I can drive where I want to go in a day, that's what I do.

22 posted on 06/01/2003 5:03:48 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Jesse
And that idiot who attacked the flight crew last week, I don't remember where, used two wooden steaks he had sharpened into weapons. All they are doing at airports is Window Dressing Indeed! If someone wants to attack you they will use a tennis racket, someone was killed by being beaten to death with one, here in this area of Texas. All the searches of luggage and people are smoke and mirrors, window dressing. You know who looks like a terrorist, search THEM MORE closely and leave mom and pop from small town USA the hell alone!
23 posted on 06/01/2003 5:07:51 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Vinnie
I remember the last few times I flew, back and forth between Houston and LA last year, we had two homes due to job. I was a nervous wreck when they searched my bags. I about had a heart attack. I was thinking what if I forgot to remove my fingernail file or nail clippers, etc. Things I have had in my bags forever, flying around the world. But all of a sudden I am supposed to feel safer because they don't let me take my fingernail file on a flight...... SHEESH!
24 posted on 06/01/2003 5:09:54 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Trust but Verify
Let's just all ignore the fact that this was one screener who was going against TSA rules in manhandling this man's caribour

It doesn't matter what the rules are if no one enforces them.

25 posted on 06/01/2003 5:12:48 AM PDT by Jarhead_22 (Peace can wait. I want payback.)
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To: Vinnie
They almost undressed my husband at Denver airport, not in a private room, but right there in front of everyone in the lobby. His belt buckel beeped. They had his belt off and I thought he was going to be cavity searched. They made him leave his keys, cell phone, computer, wallet, briefcase sitting back at the area where the screeners were, which was pretty far from where he was standing. I got permission to stand guard over his belongings while they searched him. He is CAUCASIAN with very very BLONDE hair and pale skin - does not look like a Mid.Eastern terrorist. He is a chemical engineer, very conservative looking and acting, mild mannered man.

This was after we had waited two hours to go thru security. We missed our flight. You had to be there ten min. before take off so they could match bags with passengers. I recall the 9/11 terrorists didn't mind being blown up in the plane - what makes TSA think that future terrorists will try to blow up with plane with a bomb in their bag, without going on the flight. Terrorists don't mind being blown up, they are suicide bombers. What good would it have done to match bags to passengers on 9/11. Those guys planned to go down with the plane.

Then they not only took our bags off the plane, WE had to go find out what they did with them. The people working at the airport didn't know what to do.

I felt so sorry for the elderly people who had to use canes and walkers, and the young couples with crying kids, as we waited in line for two hours to go through security.

I WILL NEVER USE DENVER AIRPORT AGAIN. The next time we went to visit my father-in-law in Denver, WE DROVE, IN THE WINTER WEATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

26 posted on 06/01/2003 5:17:26 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: buffyt
I WILL NEVER USE DENVER AIRPORT AGAIN

There was an old woman in front of me that was so feeble she shouldn't have been travelling alone. She committed the heinous 'crime' of starting down the 'to be searched' line, then realized she was in the wrong line. Apparently starting down that line and turning around is a major no-no.
I could not believe the way they treated that lady. I was boiling mad, but just bit my tongue.

BTW.. did you happen to see the mural on the wall in the baggage claim area?
It looks like a cross between Star Wars and the Nazi invasion of Poland. I remember several threads on FR concerning this and other murals at DIA.

27 posted on 06/01/2003 5:33:35 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: buffyt
Finger nail files are no longer considered prohibited items by the TSA. Neither are cork screws or nail clippers as long as they're not the kind that have a knife blade built into them.

There are some cork screws out there that one could do some major damage with, but they're now allowed in your carry-on.

Cuticle clippers, eyelash curlers, tweezers and knitting needles are all ok. No pointy scissors of any kind are allowed.

Leave your fancy propane burning cigar and pipe lighting torches at home and don't buy one on vacation. They won't allow those even in your checked baggage. Those things cost $30 to as much as $400 and TSA will make a passenger surrender it. I saw one guy almost go nuts when TSA confiscated his $400 torch. At least they left him his cigars. ;)

A passenger can only carry-on 2 'Bic' lighters and 4 books of matches. The extras are confiscated.

No tools allowed in your carry-on, nada, none, checked baggage only, unless it's for a prosthesis.

I hope this helps. Keep in mind that this could all change next week, though. ;^)

28 posted on 06/01/2003 6:14:47 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: ContentiousObjector
''The value of this caribou meat is about $28 per pound...

What a bargain! Bwahahaha!

29 posted on 06/01/2003 6:24:49 AM PDT by verity
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To: Electron Wizard
the flight 800 explosion

a little D*MNED presumptious I'd say ...

30 posted on 06/01/2003 6:34:50 AM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: ContentiousObjector
We go twice a summer as well. The first salmon run is around the end of June then we go back in the end of July. What we did with the salmon is filleted it, wrapped it with a plastic sealer thingy that our friends had and then froze them. We put them in a cooler with dry ice and a note taped on the top: Frozen Salmon caught 2July 2002. and taped the cooler shut. When we got back to STL, the box was intact. Im really surprised that Alaska TSA would do something like this, it makes me think the guy wasnt from Alaska. I wouldnt put it past some of the TSA boobs here in the lower 48, though. Since we are airline employees we get the double whammy; our bags are automatically searched and we are put in the security line. Why? Who knows. I have been background checked at least three times since 9-11 and am drug tested every two months or so. Yet Im deemed the biggest risk, next to Mohamedd Atta. Another problem we have is that we would have no recourse since we are employees. Since we dont pay to fly, we wouldnt have been reimbursed for the fish. The TSA sucks.
31 posted on 06/01/2003 6:38:45 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: American in Israel; Marine Inspector; buffyt
Frozen food looks like a big opaque blob on an x-ray screen, especially if it's wrapped in tin foil. It would be hard to tell what might be frozen inside of it, or hidden amongst or behind the frozen packages, without physically inspecting the container.

I don't know who packed this meat or where, but if there was any way that these packages were placed on a surface that had gunpowder residue on it, at the hunting lodge, that might have been enough to trigger an alarm on TSA's ETD (Explosives Trace Detection) machine.

I've been in line when a passenger's computer gave a false positive for explosive residue on an ETD machine. Let me tell you, a lot of these Screeners may be none too bright, but even their neurons must screem 'Oh Shit!' when that machine alarms.

IMO, a terrorist doesn't have to get a bomb on a plane to cause another crisis. If a bomb went off in a busy checkpoint, with a thousand or so passengers standing in line at the ticket counter or waiting to enter the so-called sterile gate areas, it would be just as bad.

A bomb exploding in a checked baggage inspection area, fully staffed with TSA employees, would be equally as bad.

It would have the same negative impact on the traveling public's confidence in their ability to fly safely.

Wouldn't all of you agree?

32 posted on 06/01/2003 6:46:42 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: 4Freedom
Wouldn't all of you agree?

You're asking for the impossible with a request/a question like that ...

33 posted on 06/01/2003 7:07:26 AM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: cardinal4
You've been lucky with that dry ice. If someone with TSA ever believes you packed more than 5 lbs of it with your salmon, you could have big problems. Next time you have a chance, stop at the supervisor's desk and find out what they're SOP is for dry ice. I'll bet if you ask 3 different TSA employees, you'll get 3 different answers. Probably, none you'll like.

The supervisor I talked to showed me the book. He says it says no dry ice. He was looking in the wrong column!

It wasn't completely his fault. There were two pages and the columns were transposed from one page to another. I'll bet those 2 pages in their SOP books are messed up all over the country.

You've been real lucky up until now. :)

34 posted on 06/01/2003 7:22:35 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: Vinnie
Thank Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, for that!

It's because of him that TSA wants all shoes with soles that are more than 1" thick, platform heels and athletic shoes passed through the x-ray machine and even ETD'ed.

35 posted on 06/01/2003 7:27:38 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: 4Freedom
We packed it at the terminal with the help of an AA employee reading out of some manual. And it was way less than 5 lbs. This month, however, we will go to Fedex and send it home that way. With our benefits, it will only cost 6.95. I would be livid if the TSA sliced open the sealed salmon.
36 posted on 06/01/2003 7:28:20 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Jarhead_22
And you know the rules are not being enforced, how? Do you know this person has not/will not be disciplined?
37 posted on 06/01/2003 7:34:56 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: _Jim
Well, let's start with you're opinion of the impact a bomb exploding in a crowded airport checkpoint would have on air travel.

I've seen terminals jammed with 2,000 domestic and international passengers, trying to catch connecting flights, at one time.

That would be a major catastrophe.

Wouldn't you agree?

38 posted on 06/01/2003 7:36:45 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: Trust but Verify
If the investigation shows that this box triggered an alarm on TSA's ETD (Explosive Trace Detection) machine, the Screener and his supervisor will not be disciplined. Every alarm is documented.

There's a good chance this box had some explosive's trace (gun powder) on it, if it was packed at a hunting lodge.

39 posted on 06/01/2003 7:43:19 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: ContentiousObjector

It's not their fault.

It's our fault for over-reacting and putting un-accountable union jackboot's in charge of air travel.

40 posted on 06/01/2003 7:43:23 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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