Posted on 05/31/2003 5:02:27 AM PDT by Vinnie
CNN is reporting that Eric Rudolph has been captured in Murphy, North Carolina
If this guy is convicted ... he caused a lot of destruction, devestation and lifelong harm to innocent Americans. He's as bad as they come.
I have no "conflict avoidance" issues with the kind of people who would rationalize this murder and mayhem. Terrorism, ambush murder and flight. I want to know where he was and why the FBI couldn't find him all these years. Louis Freeh needs to account for his unit.
Remember the effect that Malvo and Muhammed had those two weeks? They paralyzed our American capital, they shot and killed our fathers and mothers and neighbors in ambush. We can't live that way and be rockin' Americans as we have been blessed by God to be.
The goofballs need to be neutralized here. Just in principle.
Good post, Cathryn. You have captured the irony of all this in a single question.
People who condone killing in this way are not pro-life, although they seem to think they are the purest and strongest of the pro-life cause. What a bizarre distortion.
This post might be instructive on several levels, but we'll address the pro-abortion perspective.
First, we have this comment : " ... I supported the right of women to choose. I erred on the side of people that were actually born and in existence ..." This is evidence that the poster does not consider the unborn to be people, to be alive, fully human, beings. Such a dehumanization is convenient for the omissions it affords to the mind of the poster. If the thing in the womb is not fully human, not yet a fellow human being, then the right of a woman's liberty obviously trumps the right to Life. It the thing in the womb is not yet a human being worthy of protection from arbitrary serial killing, then the people who would raise the specter of the children being slaughtered in abortuaries --and the generations never born because of the serial killings-- well, these people must be dismissable as irrational fanatics.
Then we have the following : "I chose not to punish women that made the mistake of getting pregnant by forcing them to carry an unwanted child to full term." Well, which is it? Are the things in the womb children or are they less than human beings? If they're human beings, children, then this poster is four-square for killing the innocent as an expedient method of ridding society of unwanteds. If the things in the womb are not human beings, then why refer to them as children? There is a confusion of belief that has surfaced even in this casual setting.
Then there is this : "These women were encouraged to consider having the child, then giving it up for adoption, but since it was their body, they had the final say." To which body do we suppose the poster is referring and which body is being dehumanized as not even worthy of Life already up and running for several months? It is biologically absurd to say the unborn child's body is the woman's body ... the conceptus has instituted the life support from the woman's body, built its own placental sac, filled it with amniotic fluid, built its own organs, and will trigger its own birth day contractions by the woman's body. In short, the ORGANISM has been a separate individual human life from the very first cell division the ORGANISM accomplished, and has been drawing life support from the woman. It is evident the poster doesn't mistake the baby's body for the woman's body, so what is the poster inferring?... The poster is affirming the pro-abortion mantra that the woman's liberty is the only fact to be considered regarding a pregnancy, the alive, individual child is to be no more valued than the woman wishes when juxtaposed with her liberty. Even Al Goreghoul stands for this belief as he counted it a condemned woman's right to take her unborn, alive child to the death chamber with her if she was under a capital crime death sentence.
And finally, the poster wants to accomplish argumentum absurdum, claiming anyone not condemning Ruloph before his trial, of being ... well, I'll let the specious poster's words speak for it : This line of thinking, according to the Rudloph apologists, is going to cause me to burn. posted by LanPB01 I've seen not one person acting as an apologist for Eric Rudolph if he is convicted of the crimes for which he is accused. I've seen a few jumping to unwarranted conclusions, based on their emotional responses to phrasing of other posters, but not one defending Eric Rudolph's crimes if convicted. [There's even been a few posters trying to bait Christians and sling homosexual innuendo, trying to divert the thread from the issue of Rudolph's capture and the speciousness of painting the pro-life people as 'cut from the same cloth as the murdering Rudolph --if he's convicted of the crimes for which he's accused.
Is Eric Rudolph guilty of all four bombings? I have no idea and the dissimilarities of the bombings lead one to conclude that if he is guilty of at least one of these atrocities it is also likely that someone else, perhaps in cahoots with Rudolph or some organization to which he belongs, was also a guilty bomber.
It has been instructive to read along on this thread, to see which posters were so ready to jump to unwarranted conclusions, and some repeatedly! It is also interesting to note that Physicist, to whom I addressed my first post on this thread has seen fit to avoid further posting, no doubt because he doesn't jump to unwarranted conclusions ... and I appreciate his remaining neutral, to allow folks their opportunities to expose what agendas may be driving them. [One last note: it is proper for pro-life people to be aghast at what I posted first, if they were under the mistaken notion that I would protect an FBI fugitive accusewd of bombing and killing fellow Americans; I chose my wording very carefully, to allow some ambiguity, to allow certain posters to expose their agenda ... I've made a few enemies during my time at FR. I'll leave anytime Jim tells me to and hold no grudge toward Mister Robinson. But I suspect the thread has been instructional for our fearless leader, also.]
See post #696. Again, it's not about abortion, or any OTHER "cause". He and his ilk are psycho killers, period. They just plain like to kill. They are, however, sophisticated enough to choose victims that SOME people will actually laud them for killing. And whom some will actually encourage the killing of.
Such people, with little mental variation, are cultivated by terrorist and extremist organizations around the world.
Do NOT make excuses for these jackals, nor find sympathy for them, just because you happen to be prolife. In truth, they couldn't care less about that cause, outside of all the marks they seem to get because of it.
Oh, and by continually (and legally inaccurately) calling abortion providers "murderers", you provide encouragement for these maniacs. You might consider this when the urge to use the inflammatory rhetoric strikes.
They intentionally and brutally snuff out the lives of the most innocent and helpless among us without providing them even the slightest semblance of due process. If you don't like calling them what they are, what antiseptic mealy-mouthed euphemism do you prefer?
You're not making them. You're just meeting them.
Which murder and mayhem? That which takes place by the millions each year in the abortion mills of America, or that which took place by the devious hand of terrorist Rudolph?
Make your point clear, man.
Temper, temper. Wild emotionalism is not becoming to thinking folk. The FACT is that those who provide abortions, as much as you wish it were not so, are acting within the law, which does NOT define murder thusly.
All the wishing and ranting in the world will not change that. And continually referring to it so, and also by calling providers "serial killers" (again, without ANY regard for the true definitions of the term) only encourages REAL psycho killers...like Rudolph, Kopp, and their heirs and assigns.
They're doctors, don'tcha know...
And the Nazis who turned on the gas at Auschwitz were anethesiologists.
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