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To: cgk; Kevin Curry; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; Remedy; wardaddy; WarSlut
I'll say, "Bless their unborn souls, but I supported the right of women to choose. I erred on the side of people that were actually born and in existence, and if they felt they weren't ready to give birth, they knew better than I did. I chose not to punish women that made the mistake of getting pregnant by forcing them to carry an unwanted child to full term. These women were encouraged to consider having the child, then giving it up for adoption, but since it was their body, they had the final say." This line of thinking, according to the Rudloph apologists, is going to cause me to burn. #685 posted by LanPB01

This post might be instructive on several levels, but we'll address the pro-abortion perspective.

First, we have this comment : " ... I supported the right of women to choose. I erred on the side of people that were actually born and in existence ..." This is evidence that the poster does not consider the unborn to be people, to be alive, fully human, beings. Such a dehumanization is convenient for the omissions it affords to the mind of the poster. If the thing in the womb is not fully human, not yet a fellow human being, then the right of a woman's liberty obviously trumps the right to Life. It the thing in the womb is not yet a human being worthy of protection from arbitrary serial killing, then the people who would raise the specter of the children being slaughtered in abortuaries --and the generations never born because of the serial killings-- well, these people must be dismissable as irrational fanatics.

Then we have the following : "I chose not to punish women that made the mistake of getting pregnant by forcing them to carry an unwanted child to full term." Well, which is it? Are the things in the womb children or are they less than human beings? If they're human beings, children, then this poster is four-square for killing the innocent as an expedient method of ridding society of unwanteds. If the things in the womb are not human beings, then why refer to them as children? There is a confusion of belief that has surfaced even in this casual setting.

Then there is this : "These women were encouraged to consider having the child, then giving it up for adoption, but since it was their body, they had the final say." To which body do we suppose the poster is referring and which body is being dehumanized as not even worthy of Life already up and running for several months? It is biologically absurd to say the unborn child's body is the woman's body ... the conceptus has instituted the life support from the woman's body, built its own placental sac, filled it with amniotic fluid, built its own organs, and will trigger its own birth day contractions by the woman's body. In short, the ORGANISM has been a separate individual human life from the very first cell division the ORGANISM accomplished, and has been drawing life support from the woman. It is evident the poster doesn't mistake the baby's body for the woman's body, so what is the poster inferring?... The poster is affirming the pro-abortion mantra that the woman's liberty is the only fact to be considered regarding a pregnancy, the alive, individual child is to be no more valued than the woman wishes when juxtaposed with her liberty. Even Al Goreghoul stands for this belief as he counted it a condemned woman's right to take her unborn, alive child to the death chamber with her if she was under a capital crime death sentence.

And finally, the poster wants to accomplish argumentum absurdum, claiming anyone not condemning Ruloph before his trial, of being ... well, I'll let the specious poster's words speak for it : This line of thinking, according to the Rudloph apologists, is going to cause me to burn. posted by LanPB01 I've seen not one person acting as an apologist for Eric Rudolph if he is convicted of the crimes for which he is accused. I've seen a few jumping to unwarranted conclusions, based on their emotional responses to phrasing of other posters, but not one defending Eric Rudolph's crimes if convicted. [There's even been a few posters trying to bait Christians and sling homosexual innuendo, trying to divert the thread from the issue of Rudolph's capture and the speciousness of painting the pro-life people as 'cut from the same cloth as the murdering Rudolph --if he's convicted of the crimes for which he's accused.

Is Eric Rudolph guilty of all four bombings? I have no idea and the dissimilarities of the bombings lead one to conclude that if he is guilty of at least one of these atrocities it is also likely that someone else, perhaps in cahoots with Rudolph or some organization to which he belongs, was also a guilty bomber.

It has been instructive to read along on this thread, to see which posters were so ready to jump to unwarranted conclusions, and some repeatedly! It is also interesting to note that Physicist, to whom I addressed my first post on this thread has seen fit to avoid further posting, no doubt because he doesn't jump to unwarranted conclusions ... and I appreciate his remaining neutral, to allow folks their opportunities to expose what agendas may be driving them. [One last note: it is proper for pro-life people to be aghast at what I posted first, if they were under the mistaken notion that I would protect an FBI fugitive accusewd of bombing and killing fellow Americans; I chose my wording very carefully, to allow some ambiguity, to allow certain posters to expose their agenda ... I've made a few enemies during my time at FR. I'll leave anytime Jim tells me to and hold no grudge toward Mister Robinson. But I suspect the thread has been instructional for our fearless leader, also.]

708 posted on 05/31/2003 8:50:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Cathryn Crawford
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709 posted on 05/31/2003 8:51:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
I've made a few enemies during my time at FR.

You're not making them. You're just meeting them.

716 posted on 05/31/2003 9:09:11 PM PDT by WarSlut (Absence of proof is not proof of absence.)
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To: MHGinTN
Nice post. Troubling thread....to be expected.
738 posted on 05/31/2003 9:34:24 PM PDT by wardaddy
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