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Atlantis Under Antarctica?
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Posted on 05/30/2003 7:13:36 PM PDT by Sir Gawain

13:00 2002-12-02

Atlantis Under Antarctica?

After WW II, scientists started to pay close attention to the issue of a supposedly once-existing civilization in Antarctica. The hypothesis is confirmed by some medieval maps and research of paleogeologists and glaciologists.

In January of 1820, Lieutenant of Russian Empire Fleet Mikhail Lazarev discovered a new continent. In the beginning of 20th century, a Russian encyclopaedia, while adducing the approximate square milage of south pole continent, reported that it was insufficiently explored and there was no flora and fauna. The author of the article also mentioned the richness of the algae and sea life.

Twenty years later, the director of the Istanbul National Museum, Khalil Edkhem, was sorting out a library of the Byzantine emperors in an old palace. He found an ancient map made on gazelle skin. On the map, there were the shores of western and southern Africa, as well as the northern shores of Antarctica. Khalil could not believe hiseyes: the shores of the Queen Mod Land, to the south of the 70th parallel, was free of ice. An ancient cartographer marked a mountain chain there. The name of the cartographer was known: an admiral of the Ottoman Empire fleet, Piri Reis, who lived in the first half of 16th century.

The map-s authenticity was without doubt. Graphology examinations of the notes on the margin confirmed that they belonged to the admiral.

In 1949, a combined British and Swedish expedition conducted intensive seismic measurements of the South Pole through the ice cap. According to the commander of 8th Technical Investigation Squadron of the US Armed Force Strategic Command, Colonel Harold Olmayer, ? the geographical details of the bottom part of the map (the shore of Antarctica) correspond with the results of the seismic measurements. We cannot correlate these data with the supposed level of geography in 1513.¦

In his notes on the map-s margin, made in the early 16th century, Piri Reis explained that he was not responsible for the cartography and that the map was based on earlier sources. Some of these ?earlier sources¦ belong to his contemporaries (for example, to Christopher Columbus), while others could be dated to the 4th century B. C. Not later, because one of these sources belonged to Alexander the Great.

Of course, professional historians who specialize in ancient history could say the following: ?This is only one more hypothesis. What about documentary and, what is more desirable, trust-worthy sources? The opinion of the Turkish admiral and notes on a margin- You know, it is too disputable!¦

Therefore, I would like to present the position of the late historian and professor of Keene College in New Hampshire, USA, Charles H. Hapgood. In the late 1959, he found in the Washington Congressional Library a map created by Orontheus Phynius in 1531. Orontheus Phynius depicted Antarctica with mountains and rivers, without glaciers. The relief of the continent-s center was not marked, which, according to Hapgood, could mean that there had been an ice cap in that area.

In the early 1960s, Phynius- map was studied by Doctor Richard Stratchen of the Massachusetts Technology Institute together with Hapgood. Both scientists concluded that Phynius had indeed depicted Antarctica free of ice. The characteristics depicted were very close to the information that was obtained in 1958 by specialists from different countries

Gerard Cremer, known in the world as Mercator, also trusted Orontheus- evidence. He included the Phynius map into his atlas, in which several maps of Antarctica by Mercator himself were also included. There is one interesting feature: on Mercator-s map of 1569, the west shore of South America is pictured less accurately than on the earlier map of Mercator from 1538. The reasons for this contradiction are the following: while working at the earlier map, the cartographer of 16th century proceeded from ancient sources, which were not kept for our time, and while working at the later map, he proceeded from observations of the first Spanish explorers to South America. Gerard Mercato-s mistake can be excused. In the 16th century, there were no precise methods to measure longitude: as a rule, an error could have been hundreds of kilometers!

Finally, we come to Philippe Boiche, full member of the French Academy of Science. In 1737, he published his map of Antarctica. Boiche presented a precise picture of Antarctica of the time when the continent was free of ice. On his map, the under-ice topography of the continent is presented, about which our civilization had no clear idea until 1958. Moreover, based on now-lost sources, the French academician depicted in the middle of the South Pole a body of water dividing it into two sub-continents, which were situated to the west and to the east from the line, where the Trans-Antarctic Mountains are now marked. According to the investigation in the framework of International Geophysical Year (1958), Antarctic is in fact an archipelago of large islands covered with 1.5-kilometers of ice.


Medieval maps show Antarctica without an ice cap or partially covered with ice. The precision of the 16th century cartographers was very high and even surprising. Their data surpassed the technical possibilities even of the late Middle Ages (for example, the determination of the longitude of a relief within one minute). This level was reached by mankind in the late 18th century, while in some cases, the 20th.

Scientists cannot comment on the high scientific level of medieval cartography. Information from almost 2000-year-old primary sources is supposed to be not well-founded.

Orthodox geology claimed that the age of the Antarctica ice cap was at least 25 million years; however, recently, it has been reduced to six million years

Therefore, we should notice the following feature of the Reis map: the shore of the continent was free of ice. On the Phynius map, made 18 years after the Reis map, there is an ice cap around the South Pole within the limits of 80th and the 75th parallels. Two hundred years later, academician Boiche depicted Antarctica with glaciers.

The conclusion is obvious: we can see the process of the spreading of glaciers on the southern continent.

In 1949, Admiral Baird-s expedition bore holes into the Ross Sea in three spots, where Orontheus Phynius marked river-beds. In the cuts, fine-grained layers were found, obviously brought to the sea with rivers, whose sources were situated in temperate latitudes (i.e. free of glaciers).

While using the nuclear dating method of doctor U. Oury from the Karnegy Institute in Washington, scientists discovered that Antarctica-s rivers, which were sources of fine-dyspersated deposits, were flowing as depicted on the Phynius map, about 6,000 years ago. About 4000 years B. C., glacial sediments started to accumulate on the bottom of Ross Sea. Kernels show that before this, there was a long warm period.

Therefore, the maps of Reis, Phynius, and Mercator present Antarctica when the ancient Egyptian and Shumer civilizations were newborn. This point of view is excluded by almost all professional historians and could be regarded as an operating hypothesis that cannot be verified. Any historian would say that there were no civilization of the kind in the late 5th millenium B. C. According to Doctor Jacob Hock from Illinois University, the deposits in-question could be 6 to 12 thousand years old.

In September 1991, US and Egyptian archaeologists discovered at a distance of 13 km from Nile River, in Abidos, 12 large boats that belonged to Pharaohs of First Dynasty. The age of the boats is about 5,000 years. They are believed to be the most ancient vessels in the world, the leader of the expedition, D. O-Connor far, the find is estimated to be aimed for religious rites.

According to Herodotus, ancient Egyptians tracked stars more than 10,000 years ago. This statement of the ?father of history¦ is supposed to be esoteric and, therefore, not true. However, land nations seldom produced astronomers. The fact that ancient Egyptians were interested in astronomy may indicate that they inherited some knowledge from an unknown civilization of navigators.

Workers of US technical intelligence determined the projection center of the Piri Reis map, whose data belongs to 4000 year B. C. The projection center was supposedly situated near today-s Cairo. At that time, according to most historians, all then-existing nations were at a very low level of development.


Between the 5th and 10th milleniums B. C., there was a civilization on Earth that possessed great knowledge in the field of navigation, cartography, and astronomy, which was no less advanced than that that of the 18th century.

This civilization preceded our civilization, and it was not an extraterrestrial one. Its age could be several thousands years, while its location was probably on the northern shore of the most southern continent, or archipelago: Antarctica. Later, this civilization may have resettled to the north-east of Africa.

The reason for the death of the civilization was the covering of Antarctica with glaciers. This process started no earlier not than in 10th millenium B. C. It cannot be excluded that there were also large-scale floods, which were regular and cause long-term local deluges (this is confirmed by archaeologists). These disasters could have destroyed most of the civilization-s cultural objects. However, some fragments might be found in the future under the thickness of ice. It can also be assumed that the survivors of Antarctica kept and handed down knowledge to the ancient Egyptians.

Therefore, if there will ever be an extensive exploration of Antarctica, mankind will most likely be surprised with the results.

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Translated by Vera Solovieva


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To: killermosquito
Somewhat off-topic, but you hear about those 3 pyramids they found in Italy? Pretty old. Nobody had any idea they were pyramids for the longest time, as they were grown over and looked like hills. If it weren't for recent technological developments, we'd probably have kept on thinking those pyramids were just hills.

Then there's the Sphinx. For a long time in its history, the Sphinx was buried up to its neck in sand. Imagine if it had been completely buried and had stayed that way. Wouldn't the Sphinx be considered today nothing more than a myth? I bet you that if that had been the case, archaeologists would be laughing at anyone who thought the Sphinx was real (After all, how can something that big escape notice for so long?).

My point? This: Even the BIGGEST stuff has a way of vanishing without a trace after a few thousand years. Which is why I'm open to the idea of ancient civilizations thousands of years old. There may not be any such civilizations. But if there were, than there're plenty of places for evidence of said civilizations to have disappeared into. After all, if 3 pyramids could be hiding in plain sight, then you can lose pretty much anything anywhere.
21 posted on 05/30/2003 8:20:17 PM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in '08.)
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To: Sir Gawain
This is all documented in the movie "The Land that Time Forgot."
22 posted on 05/30/2003 8:23:47 PM PDT by Paraclete
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To: killermosquito
Yup. Man has been genetically Man for millions of years. Anyone thinking the only civilization is in the current interglacial has a very closed mind.
23 posted on 05/30/2003 8:26:19 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Green Knight
But if there were, than there're plenty of places for evidence of said civilizations to have disappeared into.

Every human on Earth could be buried in a two-mile long stretch of Grand Canyon. We are smaller than most people think.

24 posted on 05/30/2003 8:28:42 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Green Knight
It's pretty hard, given what we know about plate techtonics and global climate even in Antarctica, to ever see how it could have been habitable for homo sapiens. It's been where it's been, and the ice layer is too easily dateable through pollen, etc. to ever have hosted anything resembling a permanent civilization.

I wonder about the oil reserves there. That's far more likely than any ancient human civilization.

25 posted on 05/30/2003 8:33:49 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Sir Gawain
Therefore, we should notice the following feature of the Reis map: the shore of the continent was free of ice. On the Phynius map, made 18 years after the Reis map, there is an ice cap around the South Pole within the limits of 80th and the 75th parallels

I dunno, but isn't 18 years a pretty drastic climatic change, figuring the formation of an ice-cap?

26 posted on 05/30/2003 8:42:16 PM PDT by fat city (This space for rent--Mini Digital Cameras!)
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To: fat city
If one man was there during the heights of summer, and the other after the snow fell, it could be.
27 posted on 05/30/2003 8:55:32 PM PDT by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: Dengar01
As of four years ago NASA was indeed funding a six week junket (boondoggle) to the south pole with scientists from JPL doing research. I was invited at one time based on a good proposal I wrote to go to the volcanos of Hawaii making an excuse for some folks from JPL to tag along. They wanted me to justify a NASA paid trip so they could help to justify their trip to Antarctica. I did not have six weeks or a reason to go, however. I suspect NASA will report any science it believes it learns in Antarctica if it means the scientists can return another year at my and your expense.
28 posted on 05/30/2003 9:04:36 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: jeremiah
If one man was there during the heights of summer, and the other after the snow fell, it could be.

Maybe, but it still puts them at the focal point of a major change. And are these climatic changes reflected worldwide?

29 posted on 05/30/2003 9:05:58 PM PDT by fat city (This space for rent--Mini Digital Cameras!)
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To: Kay Ludlow
Of course, what does this say about global warming having been cause by the USA? If it was much warmer on the planet 10,000 years ago, how could THAT have been Amernicans fault???

Because Helen Thomas, Mollie Ivans, and other liberals will say Atlantean Republicans were at fault.

Oh yeah, Mo Dodd, also.

30 posted on 05/30/2003 9:51:11 PM PDT by CT
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To: Sir Gawain
read later
31 posted on 05/30/2003 10:21:45 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: RightWhale
Dr Hapgood was onto something.

FLIP!

32 posted on 05/30/2003 10:32:10 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Tagline Extermination Services, franchises available, small investment, big profit)
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To: Dengar01
One of the key items which keeps dragging this topic up are Port-to-Port maps, which were used for ships to make it from Port X to Port Y. These were common from the earliest days of sailing. There are maps of this type for regions around Antarctica. No one can identify the source or the timeline...but the maps actually exist in a British museum. The question is why would you need port maps around Antarctica unless it was a thriving place and not covered by ice? If you shift the access of the earth by 5 degrees...you come up with an island that is in the similiar position as New Zealand. We already know the magnetic pole is not at the north pole but rather the Hudson Bay area....approximately 5 degrees off. We can't say when the shift occurred...but there had to be a shift at some point. There are numerous little clues which lead to Antartica being a liveable place...and if so...possibly the location of Atlantis.
33 posted on 05/30/2003 10:40:34 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: fat city
I dunno, but isn't 18 years a pretty drastic climatic change, figuring the formation of an ice-cap?

Perhaps, perhaps not. The icecaps are still growing. Greenland was reported to be covered with trees... hence the name. Ancient maps depict Greenland as being three islands... and radar and soundings today confirm this fact. In 1944 a flight of bombers was abandoned on the ice of Greenland when headwinds depleted their fuel leaving them insufficient gas to finish the flight. In 1990(?), an expedition was mounted to recover the planes... they were found 340 feet deep in ice a mere 46 years later. At that rate of ice accumulation, a one mile thick ice cap could grow in a mere 750 years.

A station established on the ice on Antartica in the early 1920s included an 80 foot guyed radio antenna. The base was abandoned shortly afterward. About 20 years later another expedition went to the site of the abandoned outpost and found only the top SIX FEET of the still standing antenna protruding from the ice. That rate of ice accumulation was 3.7 feet per year... which would require only 1400 years of snowfall to build a one mile thick icecap.

34 posted on 05/30/2003 10:46:43 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Tagline Extermination Services, franchises available, small investment, big profit)
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To: TC Rider

Ask and you shall receive.. It's your for the taking..

All you must do is go and find it, because it's still out there, somewhere.

35 posted on 05/30/2003 11:00:43 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Sir Gawain; amom; Alamo-Girl
Found at the atlantisrising.com web site:

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/10080_atlantis.html

Atlantis Will Be Found
05/26/2003 11:19
Russian researchers have held the Second Congress of Atlantis Explorers in Moscow

Has legendary Atlantis ever existed? Russian explorers and researchers have recently held a meeting in Moscow in order to discuss the material about the legendary continent and share their opinion with each other. Alexander Voronin, the director of the Russian association for studying Atlantis's problems stated at the meeting that Atlantis would be found. Alexander Voronin added that various findings in different parts of the planet proved the certainty of finding the lost continent.

Remains of the "big land" have been found in the water area of the Brazilian island of Sao Paulo; an undestroyed temple of thousands years old has been found in the sea not far from Europe. Voronin believes that such findings testify to the existence of a "central kingdom and numerous islands, on which ten Atlas brothers lived."

Participants of the meeting stated that there had been a lot of evidence collected to prove the existence of Atlantis. Researchers believe that one has to continue the quest, looking for other discoveries. As far as the significance of the lost continent's existence is concerned, Alexander Gorodnitsky, a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences said that the discovery of Atlantis might change the concept of nature and life development on planet Earth. Gorodnitsky believes that the proved existence of supreme civilizations in the past will make the up-to-date Darwinist society reconsider its views. Alexander Gorodnitsky has been on several expeditions to the places, where Atlantis allegedly existed. He still hopes to organize a targeted mission in order to study the problem in detail. "I am sure that this issue is extremely complicated and important, so one has to deal with it seriously, on a serious scientific level," Gorodnitsky was quoted as saying.

RIAN


Read the original in Russian: http://science.pravda.ru/science/2003/6/18/50/10696_atlantida.html (Translated by: Dmitry Sudakov)



36 posted on 05/30/2003 11:11:52 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: eno_
I don't believe modern man is the only civilization that has been here.

There were angels here first.
37 posted on 05/30/2003 11:52:44 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Sir Gawain
Pravda is Truth in English but it is far from it.

A few seconds search on the Internet provided this article on the Reis Map:

http://www.intersurf.com/~chalcedony/FOG9.html

38 posted on 05/31/2003 12:30:28 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: gitmo
I agree. I should find this nonsense funny, but it's just depressing to think that I post on a board where people believe such fancifal things.
39 posted on 05/31/2003 12:38:53 AM PDT by FreedomFlyer
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To: TC Rider
You don't see too many convertibles in the OHP's fleet today.

-Eric

40 posted on 05/31/2003 12:45:48 AM PDT by E Rocc
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