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The Absurdity of 'Thinking in Language'
the author's site ^ | 1972 | Dallas Willard

Posted on 05/23/2003 3:59:51 PM PDT by unspun

The Absurdity of 'Thinking in Language'
This paper has been read to the University of Southern California philosophy group and the Boston 1972 meeting of the American Philosophical Association, as well as to the Houston meeting of the Southwestern Philosophical Society. Appeared in The Southwestern Journal of Philosophy, IV(1973), pp. 125-132. Numbers in "<>" refer to this journal.

Among the principal assumptions of major portions of philosophy in recent decades have been: (1) That philosophy somehow consists of (some sort of) logic, and (2) that logic is a study of and theory about (some sort of) language. There, of course, follows from these a third assumption: (3) That philosophy is a study of and theory about (some sort of) language--though this implication should not be taken as representing any phase of the historical development of recent philosophizing. Instead of listing these three points as assumptions, it would probably be more correct to regard them as categories or complexes of assumptions; or perhaps, more vaguely still, as 'tendencies' or proclivities of recent philosophical thinking. But precision of these points need not be put in issue here, as this paper does not seek any large-scale resolution of the problem area in question.

The aim here is to examine only one proposition which plays a role in the clearly existent tendencies referred to: Namely, the proposition that we think in or with language. I hope to show, first, that we do not always think in or with language; and then, second, that the very conception of thinking in or with language involves an absurdity. What implications this has for broader philosophical assumptions or tendencies will not be dealt with here, though the implications in question seem to me to be extremely important ones.

That human beings think in language is explicitly stated in such diverse places as ordinary newspapers, the more sophisticated popular magazines and journals, and serious discourse in the humanities and the social sciences, as well as in the technical writings of philosophers. To prove this broad range of consensus would be idle; but, in order to have the philosophical context clearly before us, we may give a few brief quotations. <126> 

     (1) Man, like every living creature, thinks unceasingly, but does not know it: the thinking which becomes conscious of itself is only the smallest part thereof. And, we may say, the worst part:--for this conscious thinking alone is done in words, that is to say, in the symbols for communication, by means of which the origin of consciousness is revealed. (Nietzsche, Joyful Wisdom, sub-sec. # 354)

     (2) Let no one be contemptuous of symbols! A good deal depends upon a practical selection of them. Furthermore, their value is not diminished by the fact that after much practice, we no longer really need to call forth a symbol, we do not need to speak out loud in order to think. The fact remains that we think in words or, when not in words, then in mathematical or other symbols. (Frege, Mind, Vol. 73, p. 156)

     (3) It is misleading then to talk of thinking as of a 'mental activity'. We may say that thinking is essentially the activity of operating with signs. This activity is performed by the hand, when we think by writing; by the mouth and larynx, when we think by speaking; and if we think by imagining signs or pictures, I can give you no agent that thinks. If then you say that in such cases the mind thinks, I would only draw your attention to the fact that you are using a metaphor, that here the mind is an agent in a different sense from that in which the hand can be said to be an agent in writing. (Wittgenstein, Blue Book, pp. 6-7)

     (4) ... The woof and warp of all thought and all research is symbols, and the life of thought and science is the life inherent in symbols; so that it is wrong to say that a good language is important to good thought, merely; for it is of the essence of it. (C. S. Peirce, Collected Papers, II, p. 129)

     (5) Words only matter because words are what we think with. (H. H. Price, Aristotelian Society, Suppl. Vol. XIX, p. 7)

     (6) Theorizing is an activity which most people can and normally do conduct in silence. They articulate in sentences the theories that they construct, but they do not most of the time speak these sentences out loud. They say them to themselves.... Much of our ordinary thinking is conducted in internal monologue or silent soliloquy, usually accompanied by an internal cinematograph-show of visual imagery.... This trick of talking to oneself in silence is acquired neither quickly nor without effort.... (Ryle, Concept of Mind, p. 27. See also pp. 282-83 and 296-97) <127>

     (7)This helps to elucidate the well-known difficulty of thinking without words. Certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself. Consider the way in which I 'thinkingly' wrote the last sentence. I can no more do the 'thinking' part without the talking (or writing) part than a man can do the being graceful part of walking apart from the walking (or some equivalent activity). (J.J.C. Smart, Philosophy and Scientific Realism, p. 89)

These quotations will suffice to establish the context within which philosophers speak of thinking in language (or with language). Many other quotations could be added from the literature.1 It is not assumed here that the persons quoted all occupy the same position with reference to the relationship between thought and language. Yet it would be interesting to see what any of these thinkers, or others who suppose that human beings think in language, could save of their position from the critique which follows.

Uneasiness about the conception of thinking in or with language has been expressed by a number of writers, but only over limited aspects of it.2 Here we shall consider arguments which purport to call the conception into question entirely and in principle. First, consider a reason for rejecting the view that we always think in language. It consists in the fact that thinking often occurs without the production, manipulation, or perception of sense-perceptible signs, without which there is no use of language. Such occurrences often provoke offers of 'A penny for your thoughts.'

Thinking: Whatever we may decide to call them, and however it is that we are conscious of them, there are intentional states of persons, more or less fixed or fleeting, which do not require for their obtaining that what they are about or of be perceived by, or be impinging causally upon, the person involved. In order to think of3 Henry the Eighth, <128> of the first auto one owned, of the Pythagorean theorem, or of the Mississippi River, it is not required that they should disturb my nervous system. Such states (t-states) of persons are often called 'thoughts', especially in contrast with 'perceptions', and being in such a state is one of the things more commonly called 'thinking'. One no more needs to be going through a change of such states in order to be thinking, than he needs to be changing his bodily position in order to be sitting or lying or sleeping. Rarely if ever--as is alleged in the case of mystic contemplation--are these t-states unchanging. Usually they flow, at varying rates, intermingled with person states of many sorts, governed by such transitional structures as inference, goal orientation, objective structures given in perception or in other ways, and elemental association of 'ideas', among others. In what follows, we shall use 'thinking' to cover both the single t-state and the flow of such states, without regard to how intermingled with other person states.

Language: Sense perceptible signs or symbols are an essential constituent of language. It is always false to say that language is present or in use where no signs are present or in use. And, whatever else a sign may be, it is something which is apprehendable via its sensible qualities. That is, it is something which can be either seen, heard, felt, tasted or smelled. Moreover, the use of language requires some level of actual sensuous apprehension of the signs which are in use on the occasion. (Confusion or distortion of this sensuous feedback can render a subject incapable of writing or speaking; and, of course, without perception of the sign-sequences emitted, one cannot understand the person emitting language.)

Now cases can be produced almost at will where thinking occurs without language being present or in use. This, of course, is something which everyone--including the proponent of thinking-in-language--very well knows. It is these cases which, together with the assumption that we always think in language, create what in (7) was called "the well-known difficulty of thinking without words." If, as in (3), "thinking is essentially the activity of operating with signs," then when there are no signs--and when, consequently, the means by which we produce, manipulate, or perceive signs are not functioning--we do have a difficulty. In fact, a difficulty so severe that it amounts to a proof that thinking is not essentially the activity of operating with signs, and that often we think entirely without language. One cannot operate with signs where there are no signs. <129> 

As the above quotations indicate, the most common move made to save 'thinking in language' at this point is the shift to 'silent soliloquy,' as in (6), or to 'pieces of intelligent talking to oneself,' as in (7). These are latter-day shades of John Watson's 'sub-vocal language.' Of course one can talk to oneself or write to onself. But talking and writing to oneself require the production and perception of sensuous signs just as much as talking and writing to another. The realization of this is what drives the thinking-in-language advocate to silent soliloquy or to nonvocal speaking--the written counterpart of which would be invisible writing. That is, they are driven to flat absurdities. A silent soliloquy--that is, silent speaking--is precisely on a par with a silent trumpet solo, for example, or silent thunder. A poet may say:

       Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard

            Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on;

       Not to the sensual ear, but, more endeared,

            Pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone;...

               (Keats, Ode to a Grecian Urn)

But there are in fact no unhearable melodies, no ears other than the "sensual," no ditties of no tone.

What those who speak of silent discourse have in mind is, no doubt, the fact that interlaced with our thinking of or about things is a great deal of imaging of linguistic entities. (This is especially true of academics or intellectuals in general, because of their great concern with expression of thought. Probably an adequate phenomenology of thinking would exhibit great contrast between them and other classes of persons precisely at the relation between thinking and degree of activity in imaging linguistic entities and events.) But imaging a word is not using a word, any more than imaging a horse is using a horse. Moreover, imaging a word, phrase, or sentence is not producing or perceiving a word, phrase, or sentence any more than imaging a horse is producing or perceiving--or otherwise 'having'--a horse. To image a linguistic sequence is not to have it in a special sort of place--the mind--nor is it to have a special sort of linguistic sequence. To image is to exemplify a certain sort of thinking or intentional state, and a sort which does have interesting relationships with other kinds of thinking. But there is no reason at all to suppose that all kinds of thinking necessarily involve or are accompanied by this kind of thinking (imaging) directed upon language segments. And if there were, it still would not follow that all thinking requires language, since this kind of thinking about language segments is not itself language at all. Nor does it require any <130> language present in order for it to come to pass, since intentional inexistence applies to mental events when language segments are the objects, as well as when sticks and stones and animals are.

Having considered a reason for rejecting the proposition that human beings always think in language, let us now consider whether they ever do. In fact, the difficulty is not, as Smart (above) and others have thought, in seeing how one can think without language, but in seeing how one would think with it. Thinking with or in language must consist in doing something with symbols, and so necessarily involves doing something to them--e.g., producing, altering, or perceiving them. If we would do something with the knife (e.g., cut the bread), we must do something to the knife, (e.g., clasp it in our hands). But, as we have seen, thinking occurs where nothing at all is being done to or with signs, there not being any signs in these cases. The power or act of having or changing t-states--that is, the power or act of thinking--is, then, not a power or act of having or altering linguistic symbols. (It is not, in fact, a power of doing anything with or in anything at all. The profound difference in kinds of powers and acts involved here is what Wittgenstein calls attention to in the last sentence of (3) above.) Thought is, of course, practical, in that it exercises an influence upon, or makes some difference in, the world of sense particulars. But it alone is not capable of acting with the sorts of particulars used in linguistic behavior as its immediate instruments. It is just this incapacity which makes it impossible for the advocates of thinking-in-language to give any account of the mechanisms or the 'how' by which the words in which we, allegedly, think are produced, manipulated, and gotten rid of--though they must be produced (or stored and hauled out), manipulated, and, in some sense, gotten rid of, if we are to think with and in them as our tools or instruments.

Merely to ask the question of how, in detail, this is done in the course of thinking reveals, I believe, the absurdity of 'thinking in language'. Mere thinking can do nothing to signs which might be used in a language, and hence it can do nothing with such signs, or in the act of modifying the conditions of such signs. It is absurd to suppose that one can do x with y without in some way bringing about a change in the condition, state, relations, or properties of y. It is this and only this that I put by saying that it is absurd to suppose that one can do something with y while doing nothing to y.

If it is replied that, of course, the mind or thought does not do these things, but that when we write, speak, hear, see, and otherwise relate to actual words in the actual employment of language, we then are thinking, with bodily parts managing the symbols involved, then it <131> must be pointed out that, while we may indeed also be thinking in such cases, we are not simply thinking. The total event here, to which language certainly is essential, is not thinking. Correct use of language can even occur, as has been pointed out by Wittgenstein, without the occurrence of any peculiarly relevant t-states. On the other hand, thinking does occur without the use of hands, mouth, ears, eyes, fingers in any appropriately relevant manner. Hence, what can only occur by the use of these is not the same as thinking, though it may somehow involve or influence thinking.

Smart remarks in (7) that, when he thinkingly wrote the sentence, "Certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself," he could "no more do the 'thinking' part without the talking (or writing) part than a man can do the being graceful part of walking apart from the walking." This may be true of thinkingly writing the sentence (whatever that means). But it does not follow that one cannot think that certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself without the use of language, though Smart clearly thinks that it does. Of course one cannot thinkingly write without writing. But that is nothing to the point of whether or not we can and do think with or without words. Also, the comparison to graceful walking is not apt. We do, as above shown, sometimes think without words or symbols, while no cases of grace without behavior are known.

Now it is very certainly true that some processes clearly involving thinking as described above depend for their occurrence upon linguistic behavior and the sensible signs which it involves, for example, the processes of learning algebra or the history of the Basques, or learning how to counsel emotionally upset persons. But it is to be noted that these are not themselves processes of thinking, but rather are extremely complex processes involving all kinds of events and entities other than language and other than thinking--e.g., feelings, perceptions, buildings, other persons, days and nights, books, and so on. None of these processes is a process of thinking; and for that reason alone it is invalid to infer from them that thinking is linguistic behavior, or that one thinks with language. What is essential to things or events of a certain sort must be shown essential to them taken by themselves, not in combination with many other things. With reference to the involved processes in question, it might be more appropriate (though it would still be wrong) to say--as some have said in recent years--that we live in or with language. Nevertheless, it is certain that some kind of dependence relation--probably similar to feedback mechanisms--exists between linguistic processes and their sensuous signs, on the one hand, and certain sequences of t-states on the other. What, exactly, this relation <132> of dependence is continues to be veiled by, among other things, a priori assumptions about what thinking and language must be and do. One such assumption is that which holds thinking essentially to be an operation with signs or symbols, or doing something with--or in--linguistic processes or entities.

The view that we (necessarily) think without language is, today, regarded as so outlandish as not to merit serious consideration. But this is not due to a lack of arguments to support it. My object here has been to focus upon certain arguments purporting to show the absurdity of thinking in language. The main points in these arguments are: Thinking does occur without any accompanying language whatsoever, and thus shows itself not to be a power or act of managing linguistic signs, once it is clear what such a sign is. Thinking, as distinct from behavioral processes involving it, can do nothing to signs or symbols, and hence can do nothing with them.


NOTES

  1. See for example, Ramsey's Foundations of Mathematics, p. 138, and Kneale's remarks in Feigl and Sellars, Readings in Philosophical Analysis, p. 42. Return to text.
  2. See S. Morris Engel, "Thought and Language," Dialogue, Vol. 3, 1964, 160-170; Jerome Shaffer, "Recent Work on the Mind-Body Problem," American Philosophical Quarterly, Vol. II, 1965, esp. p. 83; R. Kirk, "Rationality Without Language," Mind, 1967, pp. 369-368; G. Ryle, "A Puzzling Element in the Notion of Thinking," in Studies in the Philosophy of Thought and Action, P. F. Strawson, ed., (Oxford: 1968), pp. 7-23. Interesting remarks on the issues here are also found in Bruce Aune's Knowledge, Mind and Nature, chap. VIII and H. H. Price's Thinking and Experience, Chap. X.  See also Wm. James, "Thought Before Language; A Deaf Mute's Recollections," Mind, Vol. I, 1892; and see Wittgenstein's comments on this in Philosophical Investigations, No. 342. Return to text.
  3. I use only think here, for simplicity; but think that and other structures of such intentional states (and sequences thereof) might also be mentioned. Specifically, I would also wish to hold that instances of thinking that, in the sense of inferring or puzzling something out, occur in the absence of appropriate linguistic entities or activities. Return to text.


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To: Alamo-Girl; tpaine
G'night, Alamo-Girl. G'night, Yappy.
661 posted on 05/26/2003 11:05:51 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe; Alamo-Girl; yall
G'nite yall. Thanks..
662 posted on 05/26/2003 11:09:44 PM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.,)
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To: unspun
STICK IT IN YOUR EAR
663 posted on 05/26/2003 11:32:48 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: thinktwice
Consider how much language was used to communicate the issues of eternal life and the first coming of Christ and the topics of spirit and heaven. Yet even with so much truth and language provided, there were still many men, even the leaders of the Jewish community during the first Advent of Christ who failed to understand the language although they emphasized reason and logic.

I don't present this to belittle reason and logic, but note that reason and logic berift of faith is misguided and allows false statements to be implied from sound reasoning.

This is a shocking weakness of science when employed without faith in Him.

Consider than most of science is true with Faith in God and the 'miracles' in Scripture are indeed true and attempt to reconcile them. Without a grasp of faith and belief a major understanding of Scripture is lost.

Interestingly, one can read Scripture,..true language, and unless guided by faith and belief, never understand its meaning.
664 posted on 05/27/2003 3:42:24 AM PDT by Cvengr (0;^))
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To: Hank Kerchief
Regarding your query about languauge and whether it is inadequate to communicate meaning.

Of course not. Many works of philosophy are outstanding examples of communicating even entire constructs of xonsitent reasoning to discover new principles which are also true.

My points regard my experience after years of dedication to mathematics and logic as God given devises for our employment, but not comprehending any significance of faith or belief or spirit. I suspect my dedication to logic was employed while faithful to Him, but my belief was weakened by preoccupation of human manipulation of logic as a counterfeit to faith and belief in Him.

Faith and belief to Him does't imply any less success of logic, but on the contrary when employed independent of Him may lead to false conclusions with disasterous consequence. I state this from experience and observation, not as a structured argument with one statement leading to another by rule of inference.

I don't take this to the extremes of the Gnostics as I consider the criticism and labeling of Gnosticism as heresy to be well deserved. But likewise, considering some who devoted themselves to Gnosticism, obviously weren't berift of reason, there is probably good reason why they were so tempted , yet it was found to be heretical.
665 posted on 05/27/2003 3:55:27 AM PDT by Cvengr (0;^))
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To: thinktwice
"Reality is that which exists. Reason is the standard (man's tool) for knowing reality. Truth is the recognition of reality. Knowledge is a treasure chest collection of "truth" held within an individual's mind.

And then ...

Make Reality the foundation for your metaphysics. Make Reason the driving force for your epistemology. Seek Truth, and accumulate truths as knowledge. Trust first in ethics ... your own mind.

But without Faith and belief in Him, all these things lack wisdom.

666 posted on 05/27/2003 4:08:01 AM PDT by Cvengr (0;^))
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To: Alamo-Girl; thinktwice; betty boop; unspun; cornelis; tortoise; logos; Cvengr; donh
How many times must I say, all a concept does is identify something, and nothing more. Why do you ask, "how can any abstract concept possibly capture the richness, complexity, and dynamism of this "total system" called "reality?, when you know a concept does not "capture" anything. If you want to ask this kind of question, ask a platonist, like Alamo-Girl. Why ask me how a concept can do something you already know I do not for a moment suppose a concept can do?

That is an example of the point I've been trying to make. To you, Platonism is false and thus symbols are not "real."

Oh yes, I believe symbols are quite real. Men invented them, and they are one of, possibly the most, useful and important inventions of all time. The use of them is called language.

I do not reify them, as the Platonists do, and suppose they have existense independent of men or the minds that created them.

The odd thing is, those who think symbols or words have independent ontological existense do not believe they are capable of fully comprehending and expressing the truth, but those who believe they are real only as inventions of human consiousness beleive they are capable of comprehending and expressing the truth. (The only way, as a matter of fact.)

Hank

667 posted on 05/27/2003 5:05:29 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: tpaine; thinktwice; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; unspun; cornelis; tortoise; logos; Cvengr; donh
I guarantee, -- you will get no comprehensible answer.

In all fairness, I did get one from Alamo-Girl, who is always honest and consistent. She said quite frankly, "That is my belief, i.e. we are incapable of comprehending Truth objectively and in fullness, therefore no language could suffice."

I am sure she is fully aware of what that position costs. The other responses were somewhat squiggly. I know they sensed a trap, and unlike Alamo-Girl, do not have the character to spring it on themselves.

Yet they all said enough to indicate they do not really believe language is capable of expressing truth entirely and exactly, so anything they say or write from now on can be dismissed as not expressing the truth entirely and exactly, according to their testimony about the inadequacy of words.

This thread is beyond the "The Absurdity of Thinking in Language". It is an absurdity in itself.

Oh yes! Aburd is the word.

Hank

668 posted on 05/27/2003 5:20:31 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: tortoise; thinktwice; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; unspun; cornelis; logos; Cvengr; donh; tpaine
Even if we had a perfect understanding of reality in our minds, language as we generally know it will be grossly inadequate for expressing and communicating that understanding.

Well I'm certainly glad you explained this. But then, since you used language to do it, and language is grossly inadequate for expressing and communicating, I assume the explanation is grossly inaccurate, and thus I will dismiss it.

Hank

669 posted on 05/27/2003 5:49:05 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: thinktwice; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; unspun; cornelis; tortoise; logos; Cvengr; donh
Those immersed in mysticism float in a dream world where reason is avoided whenever necessary to keep irrational hopes alive. To them, the worst of enemies are those that question their irrationality using reason and language.

Meanwhile, those immersed in reality find serenity in reason and concepts derived using reason. To them, reason provides knowledge that mankind needs for survival -- they see reason and language as liferafts, so to speak.

Exactly!

But that kind of bright light, in this dark theatre of the absurd, is as likely to blind and confuse those who have grown accustomed to the gloom of ignorance as it is to awaken them.

Thanks for the light!

Hank

670 posted on 05/27/2003 5:56:59 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Semi Civil Servant
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671 posted on 05/27/2003 6:46:31 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: unspun
How odd that I also thank God daily, yet our beliefs are so different.

I'm not interested in this thread.
672 posted on 05/27/2003 6:49:28 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: thinktwice; Anybody
Meanwhile, those immersed in reality find serenity in reason and concepts derived using reason. To them, reason provides knowledge that mankind needs for survival -- they see reason and language as liferafts, so to speak.

I tend to agree with that, except I wouldn't see the need for reason/languages as liferafts -- perhaps one of the paddles.

673 posted on 05/27/2003 7:21:46 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Hank Kerchief; tpaine; thinktwice; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; unspun; cornelis; tortoise; logos; ...
Yet they all said enough to indicate they do not really believe language is capable of expressing truth entirely and exactly, so anything they say or write from now on can be dismissed as not expressing the truth entirely and exactly, according to their testimony about the inadequacy of words.

Again, "surely you must know" there is a difference between all the truth and enough truth.

674 posted on 05/27/2003 7:29:06 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: stuartcr
Thanks for the reply.
675 posted on 05/27/2003 7:29:27 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Hank Kerchief; tpaine; thinktwice; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; unspun; cornelis; tortoise; logos; ...
This thread is beyond the "The Absurdity of Thinking in Language". It is an absurdity in itself. Oh yes! Aburd is the word.

Then isn't absurd for you to participate in it?

676 posted on 05/27/2003 7:30:37 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: chicagolady
Well, I could give that a try, I suppose.... ;-)
677 posted on 05/27/2003 7:35:09 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: unspun
Then isn't absurd for you to participate in it?

But, since, An "aspect" may be represented accurately by language, but it is only an aspect and not all that is true of a particular in all its aspects and relationships, from every "angle" in every dimension., as you said, and you have not expressed what angle you are coming at this from, or what aspect you ar talking about, there is no way to know what it means, is there?

Hank

678 posted on 05/27/2003 7:50:09 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Cvengr
Thank you so much for your excellent post! Hugs!!!

Interestingly, one can read Scripture,..true language, and unless guided by faith and belief, never understand its meaning

Your last sentence really hit “home” – because whereas my eyes read the word, the Spirit in me reads the Word. For years I studied the Bible in great detail with lots of concordances, commentaries, dictionaries and the ilk. But it wasn’t until I quit studying it and started reading it casually, like a letter, that the Word came alive within me. Now, when I ought to know something, the verses come to mind effortlessly.

For instance, when I read your post I immediately thought of Romans 1:28:

And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


679 posted on 05/27/2003 7:58:54 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: unspun; tpaine; thinktwice; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; cornelis; tortoise; logos
Again, "surely you must know" there is a difference between all the truth and enough truth.

But, I can have no idea what you mean by this. After all, as you siad: An "aspect" may be represented accurately by language, but it is only an aspect and not all that is true of a particular in all its aspects and relationships, from every "angle" in every dimension, and you do not say whether you are using truth as a particular concept or a general one, and whatever you mean by it, it will not be true "in all its aspects and relationships," how I can I know what you mean?

How can anything said by someone who uses words which are, "not ... true in all ... aspects and relationships," be understood? How would one determine what parts are true and what parts are not, and how true or untrue they are?

Hank

680 posted on 05/27/2003 8:05:40 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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