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The Absurdity of 'Thinking in Language'
the author's site ^ | 1972 | Dallas Willard

Posted on 05/23/2003 3:59:51 PM PDT by unspun

The Absurdity of 'Thinking in Language'
This paper has been read to the University of Southern California philosophy group and the Boston 1972 meeting of the American Philosophical Association, as well as to the Houston meeting of the Southwestern Philosophical Society. Appeared in The Southwestern Journal of Philosophy, IV(1973), pp. 125-132. Numbers in "<>" refer to this journal.

Among the principal assumptions of major portions of philosophy in recent decades have been: (1) That philosophy somehow consists of (some sort of) logic, and (2) that logic is a study of and theory about (some sort of) language. There, of course, follows from these a third assumption: (3) That philosophy is a study of and theory about (some sort of) language--though this implication should not be taken as representing any phase of the historical development of recent philosophizing. Instead of listing these three points as assumptions, it would probably be more correct to regard them as categories or complexes of assumptions; or perhaps, more vaguely still, as 'tendencies' or proclivities of recent philosophical thinking. But precision of these points need not be put in issue here, as this paper does not seek any large-scale resolution of the problem area in question.

The aim here is to examine only one proposition which plays a role in the clearly existent tendencies referred to: Namely, the proposition that we think in or with language. I hope to show, first, that we do not always think in or with language; and then, second, that the very conception of thinking in or with language involves an absurdity. What implications this has for broader philosophical assumptions or tendencies will not be dealt with here, though the implications in question seem to me to be extremely important ones.

That human beings think in language is explicitly stated in such diverse places as ordinary newspapers, the more sophisticated popular magazines and journals, and serious discourse in the humanities and the social sciences, as well as in the technical writings of philosophers. To prove this broad range of consensus would be idle; but, in order to have the philosophical context clearly before us, we may give a few brief quotations. <126> 

     (1) Man, like every living creature, thinks unceasingly, but does not know it: the thinking which becomes conscious of itself is only the smallest part thereof. And, we may say, the worst part:--for this conscious thinking alone is done in words, that is to say, in the symbols for communication, by means of which the origin of consciousness is revealed. (Nietzsche, Joyful Wisdom, sub-sec. # 354)

     (2) Let no one be contemptuous of symbols! A good deal depends upon a practical selection of them. Furthermore, their value is not diminished by the fact that after much practice, we no longer really need to call forth a symbol, we do not need to speak out loud in order to think. The fact remains that we think in words or, when not in words, then in mathematical or other symbols. (Frege, Mind, Vol. 73, p. 156)

     (3) It is misleading then to talk of thinking as of a 'mental activity'. We may say that thinking is essentially the activity of operating with signs. This activity is performed by the hand, when we think by writing; by the mouth and larynx, when we think by speaking; and if we think by imagining signs or pictures, I can give you no agent that thinks. If then you say that in such cases the mind thinks, I would only draw your attention to the fact that you are using a metaphor, that here the mind is an agent in a different sense from that in which the hand can be said to be an agent in writing. (Wittgenstein, Blue Book, pp. 6-7)

     (4) ... The woof and warp of all thought and all research is symbols, and the life of thought and science is the life inherent in symbols; so that it is wrong to say that a good language is important to good thought, merely; for it is of the essence of it. (C. S. Peirce, Collected Papers, II, p. 129)

     (5) Words only matter because words are what we think with. (H. H. Price, Aristotelian Society, Suppl. Vol. XIX, p. 7)

     (6) Theorizing is an activity which most people can and normally do conduct in silence. They articulate in sentences the theories that they construct, but they do not most of the time speak these sentences out loud. They say them to themselves.... Much of our ordinary thinking is conducted in internal monologue or silent soliloquy, usually accompanied by an internal cinematograph-show of visual imagery.... This trick of talking to oneself in silence is acquired neither quickly nor without effort.... (Ryle, Concept of Mind, p. 27. See also pp. 282-83 and 296-97) <127>

     (7)This helps to elucidate the well-known difficulty of thinking without words. Certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself. Consider the way in which I 'thinkingly' wrote the last sentence. I can no more do the 'thinking' part without the talking (or writing) part than a man can do the being graceful part of walking apart from the walking (or some equivalent activity). (J.J.C. Smart, Philosophy and Scientific Realism, p. 89)

These quotations will suffice to establish the context within which philosophers speak of thinking in language (or with language). Many other quotations could be added from the literature.1 It is not assumed here that the persons quoted all occupy the same position with reference to the relationship between thought and language. Yet it would be interesting to see what any of these thinkers, or others who suppose that human beings think in language, could save of their position from the critique which follows.

Uneasiness about the conception of thinking in or with language has been expressed by a number of writers, but only over limited aspects of it.2 Here we shall consider arguments which purport to call the conception into question entirely and in principle. First, consider a reason for rejecting the view that we always think in language. It consists in the fact that thinking often occurs without the production, manipulation, or perception of sense-perceptible signs, without which there is no use of language. Such occurrences often provoke offers of 'A penny for your thoughts.'

Thinking: Whatever we may decide to call them, and however it is that we are conscious of them, there are intentional states of persons, more or less fixed or fleeting, which do not require for their obtaining that what they are about or of be perceived by, or be impinging causally upon, the person involved. In order to think of3 Henry the Eighth, <128> of the first auto one owned, of the Pythagorean theorem, or of the Mississippi River, it is not required that they should disturb my nervous system. Such states (t-states) of persons are often called 'thoughts', especially in contrast with 'perceptions', and being in such a state is one of the things more commonly called 'thinking'. One no more needs to be going through a change of such states in order to be thinking, than he needs to be changing his bodily position in order to be sitting or lying or sleeping. Rarely if ever--as is alleged in the case of mystic contemplation--are these t-states unchanging. Usually they flow, at varying rates, intermingled with person states of many sorts, governed by such transitional structures as inference, goal orientation, objective structures given in perception or in other ways, and elemental association of 'ideas', among others. In what follows, we shall use 'thinking' to cover both the single t-state and the flow of such states, without regard to how intermingled with other person states.

Language: Sense perceptible signs or symbols are an essential constituent of language. It is always false to say that language is present or in use where no signs are present or in use. And, whatever else a sign may be, it is something which is apprehendable via its sensible qualities. That is, it is something which can be either seen, heard, felt, tasted or smelled. Moreover, the use of language requires some level of actual sensuous apprehension of the signs which are in use on the occasion. (Confusion or distortion of this sensuous feedback can render a subject incapable of writing or speaking; and, of course, without perception of the sign-sequences emitted, one cannot understand the person emitting language.)

Now cases can be produced almost at will where thinking occurs without language being present or in use. This, of course, is something which everyone--including the proponent of thinking-in-language--very well knows. It is these cases which, together with the assumption that we always think in language, create what in (7) was called "the well-known difficulty of thinking without words." If, as in (3), "thinking is essentially the activity of operating with signs," then when there are no signs--and when, consequently, the means by which we produce, manipulate, or perceive signs are not functioning--we do have a difficulty. In fact, a difficulty so severe that it amounts to a proof that thinking is not essentially the activity of operating with signs, and that often we think entirely without language. One cannot operate with signs where there are no signs. <129> 

As the above quotations indicate, the most common move made to save 'thinking in language' at this point is the shift to 'silent soliloquy,' as in (6), or to 'pieces of intelligent talking to oneself,' as in (7). These are latter-day shades of John Watson's 'sub-vocal language.' Of course one can talk to oneself or write to onself. But talking and writing to oneself require the production and perception of sensuous signs just as much as talking and writing to another. The realization of this is what drives the thinking-in-language advocate to silent soliloquy or to nonvocal speaking--the written counterpart of which would be invisible writing. That is, they are driven to flat absurdities. A silent soliloquy--that is, silent speaking--is precisely on a par with a silent trumpet solo, for example, or silent thunder. A poet may say:

       Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard

            Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on;

       Not to the sensual ear, but, more endeared,

            Pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone;...

               (Keats, Ode to a Grecian Urn)

But there are in fact no unhearable melodies, no ears other than the "sensual," no ditties of no tone.

What those who speak of silent discourse have in mind is, no doubt, the fact that interlaced with our thinking of or about things is a great deal of imaging of linguistic entities. (This is especially true of academics or intellectuals in general, because of their great concern with expression of thought. Probably an adequate phenomenology of thinking would exhibit great contrast between them and other classes of persons precisely at the relation between thinking and degree of activity in imaging linguistic entities and events.) But imaging a word is not using a word, any more than imaging a horse is using a horse. Moreover, imaging a word, phrase, or sentence is not producing or perceiving a word, phrase, or sentence any more than imaging a horse is producing or perceiving--or otherwise 'having'--a horse. To image a linguistic sequence is not to have it in a special sort of place--the mind--nor is it to have a special sort of linguistic sequence. To image is to exemplify a certain sort of thinking or intentional state, and a sort which does have interesting relationships with other kinds of thinking. But there is no reason at all to suppose that all kinds of thinking necessarily involve or are accompanied by this kind of thinking (imaging) directed upon language segments. And if there were, it still would not follow that all thinking requires language, since this kind of thinking about language segments is not itself language at all. Nor does it require any <130> language present in order for it to come to pass, since intentional inexistence applies to mental events when language segments are the objects, as well as when sticks and stones and animals are.

Having considered a reason for rejecting the proposition that human beings always think in language, let us now consider whether they ever do. In fact, the difficulty is not, as Smart (above) and others have thought, in seeing how one can think without language, but in seeing how one would think with it. Thinking with or in language must consist in doing something with symbols, and so necessarily involves doing something to them--e.g., producing, altering, or perceiving them. If we would do something with the knife (e.g., cut the bread), we must do something to the knife, (e.g., clasp it in our hands). But, as we have seen, thinking occurs where nothing at all is being done to or with signs, there not being any signs in these cases. The power or act of having or changing t-states--that is, the power or act of thinking--is, then, not a power or act of having or altering linguistic symbols. (It is not, in fact, a power of doing anything with or in anything at all. The profound difference in kinds of powers and acts involved here is what Wittgenstein calls attention to in the last sentence of (3) above.) Thought is, of course, practical, in that it exercises an influence upon, or makes some difference in, the world of sense particulars. But it alone is not capable of acting with the sorts of particulars used in linguistic behavior as its immediate instruments. It is just this incapacity which makes it impossible for the advocates of thinking-in-language to give any account of the mechanisms or the 'how' by which the words in which we, allegedly, think are produced, manipulated, and gotten rid of--though they must be produced (or stored and hauled out), manipulated, and, in some sense, gotten rid of, if we are to think with and in them as our tools or instruments.

Merely to ask the question of how, in detail, this is done in the course of thinking reveals, I believe, the absurdity of 'thinking in language'. Mere thinking can do nothing to signs which might be used in a language, and hence it can do nothing with such signs, or in the act of modifying the conditions of such signs. It is absurd to suppose that one can do x with y without in some way bringing about a change in the condition, state, relations, or properties of y. It is this and only this that I put by saying that it is absurd to suppose that one can do something with y while doing nothing to y.

If it is replied that, of course, the mind or thought does not do these things, but that when we write, speak, hear, see, and otherwise relate to actual words in the actual employment of language, we then are thinking, with bodily parts managing the symbols involved, then it <131> must be pointed out that, while we may indeed also be thinking in such cases, we are not simply thinking. The total event here, to which language certainly is essential, is not thinking. Correct use of language can even occur, as has been pointed out by Wittgenstein, without the occurrence of any peculiarly relevant t-states. On the other hand, thinking does occur without the use of hands, mouth, ears, eyes, fingers in any appropriately relevant manner. Hence, what can only occur by the use of these is not the same as thinking, though it may somehow involve or influence thinking.

Smart remarks in (7) that, when he thinkingly wrote the sentence, "Certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself," he could "no more do the 'thinking' part without the talking (or writing) part than a man can do the being graceful part of walking apart from the walking." This may be true of thinkingly writing the sentence (whatever that means). But it does not follow that one cannot think that certain kinds of thinking are pieces of intelligent talking to oneself without the use of language, though Smart clearly thinks that it does. Of course one cannot thinkingly write without writing. But that is nothing to the point of whether or not we can and do think with or without words. Also, the comparison to graceful walking is not apt. We do, as above shown, sometimes think without words or symbols, while no cases of grace without behavior are known.

Now it is very certainly true that some processes clearly involving thinking as described above depend for their occurrence upon linguistic behavior and the sensible signs which it involves, for example, the processes of learning algebra or the history of the Basques, or learning how to counsel emotionally upset persons. But it is to be noted that these are not themselves processes of thinking, but rather are extremely complex processes involving all kinds of events and entities other than language and other than thinking--e.g., feelings, perceptions, buildings, other persons, days and nights, books, and so on. None of these processes is a process of thinking; and for that reason alone it is invalid to infer from them that thinking is linguistic behavior, or that one thinks with language. What is essential to things or events of a certain sort must be shown essential to them taken by themselves, not in combination with many other things. With reference to the involved processes in question, it might be more appropriate (though it would still be wrong) to say--as some have said in recent years--that we live in or with language. Nevertheless, it is certain that some kind of dependence relation--probably similar to feedback mechanisms--exists between linguistic processes and their sensuous signs, on the one hand, and certain sequences of t-states on the other. What, exactly, this relation <132> of dependence is continues to be veiled by, among other things, a priori assumptions about what thinking and language must be and do. One such assumption is that which holds thinking essentially to be an operation with signs or symbols, or doing something with--or in--linguistic processes or entities.

The view that we (necessarily) think without language is, today, regarded as so outlandish as not to merit serious consideration. But this is not due to a lack of arguments to support it. My object here has been to focus upon certain arguments purporting to show the absurdity of thinking in language. The main points in these arguments are: Thinking does occur without any accompanying language whatsoever, and thus shows itself not to be a power or act of managing linguistic signs, once it is clear what such a sign is. Thinking, as distinct from behavioral processes involving it, can do nothing to signs or symbols, and hence can do nothing with them.


NOTES

  1. See for example, Ramsey's Foundations of Mathematics, p. 138, and Kneale's remarks in Feigl and Sellars, Readings in Philosophical Analysis, p. 42. Return to text.
  2. See S. Morris Engel, "Thought and Language," Dialogue, Vol. 3, 1964, 160-170; Jerome Shaffer, "Recent Work on the Mind-Body Problem," American Philosophical Quarterly, Vol. II, 1965, esp. p. 83; R. Kirk, "Rationality Without Language," Mind, 1967, pp. 369-368; G. Ryle, "A Puzzling Element in the Notion of Thinking," in Studies in the Philosophy of Thought and Action, P. F. Strawson, ed., (Oxford: 1968), pp. 7-23. Interesting remarks on the issues here are also found in Bruce Aune's Knowledge, Mind and Nature, chap. VIII and H. H. Price's Thinking and Experience, Chap. X.  See also Wm. James, "Thought Before Language; A Deaf Mute's Recollections," Mind, Vol. I, 1892; and see Wittgenstein's comments on this in Philosophical Investigations, No. 342. Return to text.
  3. I use only think here, for simplicity; but think that and other structures of such intentional states (and sequences thereof) might also be mentioned. Specifically, I would also wish to hold that instances of thinking that, in the sense of inferring or puzzling something out, occur in the absence of appropriate linguistic entities or activities. Return to text.


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To: unspun
Is it not an fallacy of reason to claim that only that which we can reason out exists?
-tpaine-

Well, hello. I would say it is a fallacy of false premise to claim that only that which I can know by reason exists, since there are many things of which I am not informed and thus cannot know.
-unspun-

"It is an abandonment of reason to assert that only exists which we can reason out."
#512 -unspun-


I'd say the above is getting real close to proof positive that you will string together most any series of words if they advance your agenda. --
-- Which I see as very amusing efforts at self-aggrandizment.
581 posted on 05/26/2003 2:30:26 PM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.,)
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To: tpaine
It is an abandonment of reason to assert that only exists which we can reason out.

Reason should tell you that there are things more complicated all around you, than what you can reason out in complete knowledge of all of what they involve.

Thank you for sharing your perspective.
582 posted on 05/26/2003 2:34:07 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Eastbound

The past issues from the future through the present. Events issue from the Thinker through the thought.

It makes more sense to write ...

The future issues from the past through the present. Events issue from the Thinker through the thought.

583 posted on 05/26/2003 2:34:27 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: tortoise
..."reality" and its behaviors tends to vary depending on which observer you ask.

Yes, it's part of what makes up individuality. Reality is what we think it is. I'm using the word think as a noun here. Some people are using it as a verb to imply that we create our own reality. That concept excites some and bothers others.

584 posted on 05/26/2003 2:35:18 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Eastbound
I think your equation is brilliant. To some of you I met on another recent thread I contend that we too are triune. Nefesh, Neshama, and Ruarch. I will tap out now and thank the Lord for the meal I am about to partake of. BBS.
585 posted on 05/26/2003 2:36:14 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: tortoise
If I did use it as a verb it was in the context of contemplating and not creating. (I have to review my parts of speech.)
586 posted on 05/26/2003 2:40:44 PM PDT by Consort
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To: unspun
How mystical was it for the disciples of Christ to see him come into their room through the wall, then ascend into Heaven?

How harmful was it to the man inhabited by a "legion" of demons to have them cast out?

How safe have been the philosophies on earth this last century, which have denied by their reason (or whatever other means) the existence of God?

All I can say is that ...

Once upon a time, there was this nice talking Jewish boy that couldn't write his own stuff; but he was God and ...

587 posted on 05/26/2003 2:43:54 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Consort
1. Reality is that which exists. And what ceases to exist and newly emerges and constantly changes.

2. Reason is the standard (man's tool) for knowing reality. Consciousness and awareness will let you know what is there in addition to reason. Reason is an attempt to understand and make judgements about what we know.

3. Truth is the recognition of reality. Understanding is the comprehension of the things we know, why they are so, and how they are related.

4. Knowledge is a treasure chest collection of "truth" held within an individual's mind. It is the collection of facts as we believe them to be, subject to change at any time.

I'm in agreement with your qualifications for 1, 3 and 4; but disagree with your take on reason (Consciousness and awareness will let you know what is there in addition to reason) because ...

All knowledge -- and understanding -- flows from reason, even if your understanding some knowledge comes from books. It is only after you know something is dangerous that your consciousness and awareness will incur your instant recognition about imminent danger.

588 posted on 05/26/2003 2:56:55 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Kudsman
"I think your equation is brilliant."

Thank you, Kudsman, but I found the equation in Nathan R. Wood's book, "The Secret of the Universe" -- "God, Man and Matter" originally published in 1936. The book was re-printed several times since, and the title was changed to: "The Trinity in the Universe." I don't know if it's available anymore, but you might do a search at Amazon.com. I've had my copy for 40 years.

589 posted on 05/26/2003 3:01:01 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: thinktwice
Thanks for your view, but I suggest you apply principles of forensics if you need.
590 posted on 05/26/2003 3:13:18 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: thinktwice
All knowledge -- and understanding -- flows from reason, even if your understanding some knowledge comes from books.

Yes.

It is only after you know something is dangerous that your consciousness and awareness will incur your instant recognition about imminent danger.

Maybe it is after you learn or experience (know) something is dangerous that your knowledge will incur your instant recognition about imminent danger. Consciousness and awareness have to already be there before any of that can happen, i.e., the learning, the experiencing, the knowledge, the reasoning, and every thing else.

591 posted on 05/26/2003 3:15:30 PM PDT by Consort
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To: thinktwice; Consort
I tend to agree with your perspectives, C.

All knowledge -- and understanding -- flows from reason, even if your understanding some knowledge comes from books. It is only after you know something is dangerous that your consciousness and awareness will incur your instant recognition about imminent danger.

Then why do babies invariably avoid what appears to be crawling off a ledge?

Also, the above does not demonstrate that knowledge comes only by reason.

What is recognizabley true is very often demonstrable by reason. Perhaps that is why some assert that logic is involved whenever perceptions are incorporated reasonably. (Willard refered to this phenomenon among logicians as they overextend their favorite assertions and theories.) But when the perceptions are incorporated before one applies logical thought to them, is this somehow to be revisionistically called non-knowledge?

Does intuition exist?

592 posted on 05/26/2003 3:25:54 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: Eastbound
In a book titled Thinking and Destiny originally published in 1945, the term Triune Self is used to to describe humans. The three parts are the Doer, the Thinker, and the Knower.
593 posted on 05/26/2003 3:26:16 PM PDT by Consort
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To: thinktwice
"It makes more sense to write ...

The future issues from the past through the present"

Yes, it seems to, until we realize the thinker and the thought exist in the future reservoir of events until they become manifest. Things happen so quickly when they do manifest in the 'now' that we only become aware of them after they occur -- in the past. We see things at the speed of light and hear things at the speed of sound. Take lightning, for example. It flashes and is gone before we see it. We are only registering the after-image with our senses. If we were to see lightning at the exact moment it strikes, it would only be because we got struck by it.

Concerning events, plans and decisions have to be made first. When those plans or thoughts become real or manifest, such as taking a vacation, they occur in the 'Now.' And the reflections or images of those events after they are manifest, flow into the past while new events replace them in the 'now.'

I think the reason we have the sense that we are moving past to future, is because as passengers on a train, we are traveling with our backs to the engine and can't see what's ahead -- only viewing the cows in the pasture through the window after the engine has passed the field and is now crossing a trestle. If we turn around, we would be able to predict the future landscape to those on the train who were still facing backwards, but still moving forward with the rest of the train.

Such is life. Some re-actors and some pro-actors.

594 posted on 05/26/2003 3:37:38 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Consort; unspun; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; tortoise
Consciousness and awareness have to already be there before any of that can happen.

Consciouness, existence, and identity are classified by Ayn Rand as "Axiomatic concepts," that require no proof -- they are "givens" within living and rational beings.

Human babies experience consciousness before awareness years before they are capable of using reason.

Ayn Rand's "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology" includes common sense detail about the importance of reason to epistemology. The subsequent chapters in the above titled 164 page book are titled ...

Cognition and Measurement
Concept-Formentiation
Abstractions from Abstractions
Concepts of Consciousness
Definitions
Axiomatic Concepts
The Cognitive Role of Concepts
Consciousness and Identity

Can anyone on this thread provide us with chapter titles from any other philosopher's Epistemology work?

595 posted on 05/26/2003 3:48:26 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Kudsman
Good guess, but that is all that it is, a guess.
596 posted on 05/26/2003 3:50:23 PM PDT by fifteendogs
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To: Consort
Thanks, Consort. I'll look for the book.

" . . . the Doer, the Thinker, and the Knower."

That equates well with Nature, Person, and Personality. The nature of the person that I am is revealed by my personality. My personality issues from its source, my nature, through the Person that I am. I'm doing my best (most of the time) to keep those three in agreement with each other.

Try, The Holy Spirit issues from the Father through the Son. The Nature of God the Father is revealed by the Holy Spirit through the Son. The three are aspects of the one and in agreement. The equation holds.

597 posted on 05/26/2003 3:56:43 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: thinktwice
The concept of Santa Clause is a non-dangerouse, mythical comcept;

It is also, I aver, useful, and amenable to the laws of logic for some purposes.

whereas concepts about God are mystical concepts that sometimes prove to be harmful to human life.

And sometimes helpful--just like santa claus. And, I point out, just as is the case with, say, subnuclear physics, which has proved useful to many, but on the whole, must be considered a net negative for the babies of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.

598 posted on 05/26/2003 4:01:28 PM PDT by donh (/)
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To: thinktwice
"Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology" includes common sense detail about the importance of reason to epistemology.

Common sense, eh? Well, that's one opinion. Perhaps, since you are familiar with AR's epistemology, you could just briefly reprise her axiomatic proof of God's non-existence. If you can do so with a straight face.

599 posted on 05/26/2003 4:05:44 PM PDT by donh (/)
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To: DaughterofEve
Regarding bias getting in the way of determining thought processes: Don't you think that people who have been together a long time (like a married couple) would be likely to go through the same series of reactions and initial associations after an event, in order to often simultaneously introduce the same exact (seemingly non-connected) next topic of conversation?

If so, isn't it possible that there are wider commonalities that we might share in different types of groups that might be studied? Just curious as to your thoughts.

Hey I told you I'd reply! Yes. Wouldn't it be a shocker, if after seeing humans behaving so similarly for all these centuries (though with unique personalities, and discernable kinds of patterns of behavior) we discovered that many of us behave very differently from what we've ever known? (E.g., perceiving only mechanistically, by the five senses and then immediately applying linguistic logic strings to them, without any other valid aspect of regarding sensory information, or any other valid information than what is sensory.)

Why that sounds like Commander Data doesn't it? Yet many would seem to be telling us that silly computer model is a working model of life. Another expression of man the idol maker.

You find that you can go from one subject to another, sympatico with your husband, because you have grown together, as well as are made similarly, right?

600 posted on 05/26/2003 4:08:19 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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