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That is completely insane.

"Red Son also demonstrates that there is a deep affinity between the aesthetics of superheroes and traditional socialist realism."

That was the first thing that came to mind - all that bad commie artwork extolling the "worker."

It's a bird! It's a plane! It's the hero of the comrade worker proletariat! And his cute girlfriend and Pravda journalist, Lubyana Laneskovich!(barf)

What next, a blonde Nazi version called Ubermensch?

1 posted on 05/16/2003 11:20:08 AM PDT by adam_az
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click on article link for pictures...
2 posted on 05/16/2003 11:21:22 AM PDT by adam_az
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I liked Dan Aykroyd's portrayal of "Uberman" -- a "what if" skit where Superman landed in NAZI germany.

3 posted on 05/16/2003 11:26:55 AM PDT by Smedley
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We really are overdue for some coverage of Communism's attrocities. We get non-stop coverage of the Nazi's attrocities, but with communism, the subtle message is that communism was fine, but was hijacked by evil individuals like Stalin and Pol Pot.

People need to be reminded that communism was inherently evil-- that is impossible to give communism a go without taking away individual freedom and turning a nation into a prison. The absolute authority of the State necessarily invites tyrants, either individual tyrants like Stalin, or tyrannical oligarchies.

5 posted on 05/16/2003 11:29:51 AM PDT by Montfort
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I wonder if Soviet Superman's secret identity would have been a reporter for Pravda.
6 posted on 05/16/2003 11:30:16 AM PDT by Smedley
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Although using the Soviet Union as a background, the storyline is actually a sly comment on contemporary world politics, where the United States dominates the globe like an unchecked giant.

Sly if you’re an idiot.

To buy into the analogy, you have to suspend all moral values and imagine a world where a constitutional republic, where people live in relative freedom is analogous to a brutal socialist hellhole which murders 20 million of its own citizens and denies all essential liberties to those that survive the purges.

Of course, somebody that dumb probably spends their time reading comic books instead of learning history.

7 posted on 05/16/2003 11:31:33 AM PDT by dead
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You should check out this series.

One of the coolest lines in the story is when MM confronts some ex-nazi's serving as security in a South American compound.

MM approaches an aged guard in the compound who sees in him the "Arian Ideal" so long touted to him in his youth in Germany. He looks up worshippingly..."It's you! The one they told us would come! The overman!"

MM approaches slowly, eminating an aura of power which is actually bright enough to illuminate the night. "Yes, I know."...he gently places his finger over the Nazi's chest. "You can go now..." and he pushes his hand through the Nazi's chest while the Nazi looks down in surprise.

Great work by Alan Moore.

8 posted on 05/16/2003 11:32:26 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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These 'Elseworlds' graphic novels have been going on since at least the 80's. I have several, one where he was raised by the Wayne family until they were killed before his eyes, one where he was involved in the American Civil War, or landed in the jungle and grew up as a tarzan-like savage.

In each case, the story shows how the CHARACTER of Superman overcomes his upbringing and circumstances to become a TRUE hero. Save your outrage until the story is over.

9 posted on 05/16/2003 11:33:53 AM PDT by Grig
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Just as President George W. Bush is willing to bomb any country that could challenge American hegemony...

Oh really? Someone thinks "hegemony" and "security" are interchangeable, I guess.

10 posted on 05/16/2003 11:35:56 AM PDT by Anamensis
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He will probably have some sort of "relationship" with Captain Planet.
13 posted on 05/16/2003 11:41:49 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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Saturday Night Live did a parody where baby Superman came to earth in Nazi Germany. He was later named Ubermann.
14 posted on 05/16/2003 11:44:13 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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Comic book heroes were pretty reliable until they started to tinker with the in the 60s, a time when absolutely everything had to be revised. Red Son is just another step down the same regretable path of moral relativism.

Does Red Son help Walter Duranty exterminate the peasants in the Ukraine? Does he help round up escapees from the Gulag Archipelago? No doubt he helped murder 10,000 Polish officers in Katyn Forest, too.
15 posted on 05/16/2003 11:44:53 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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writer Mark Millar posits an alternative universe where Superman grew up on a collective farm in the Ukraine in the 1930s rather than in the idyllic Midwest town of Smallville, U.S.A.

Funny they would choose a 1930s Ukrainian collective. Odds are good that the young'un would have been orphaned by Stalin's collectivization-induced famine there.

17 posted on 05/16/2003 11:48:42 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (http://c-pol.com)
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The comic is an interesting scenerio. I will have to pick this one up and judge it for myself.
19 posted on 05/16/2003 11:50:22 AM PDT by Portnoy (No complaints here....as long as I'm fly fishing.)
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Astonishing.

22 posted on 05/16/2003 11:52:09 AM PDT by pabianice
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Graced by strong, muscular art by Dave Johnson, the first issue of Superman: Red Son also demonstrates that there is a deep affinity between the aesthetics of superheroes and traditional socialist realism; both styles favour strong, manly physiques flexing their muscles.

Well, Nazi and fascist art is also similar. I think of all those bulging, muscular torsos in sculptures by the likes of Thorak or Breker. There's also a lot of similarity in the architecture of the three systems. I call it all "mid-20th century totalitarian". The New Deal may have been a totalitarianism manqué, but many of its adherents would have liked it to be totalitarian.

23 posted on 05/16/2003 11:54:12 AM PDT by aristeides
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I suppose that we would have shifted some resources for production of Plutonium to Kryptonite. Could have been more effective to make bullits out of that than depleated uranium ;)
24 posted on 05/16/2003 11:54:52 AM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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In one of the best serious SciFi short stories of the past ten years -- "Ubermench!" -- Superman lands in Germany in the 1930s and is raised as a good Nazi. After the end of WW II he realizes his mistake and allows himself to be improsoned by the Allies. In the end, he commits suicide.

Not only is the story great, but the author -- not having DC Comics' permission to use any copyrighted material -- writes the entire story without a single key word, such as Kryptonite. Wish I could remember the author's name...

26 posted on 05/16/2003 11:57:03 AM PDT by pabianice
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Just as President George W. Bush is willing to bomb any country that could challenge American hegemony...

Ummm...the only place that scenario would have any validity would have to be a comic book.

28 posted on 05/16/2003 11:59:51 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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read later
32 posted on 05/16/2003 12:09:22 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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It's nothing new. DC has always had Elsworlds and Marvel has had the What If? series. Both were designed from the begining to explore existing characters under different circumstances.

There has been an Elseworlds where Superman's ship was recovered by the U.S. Navy instead of the Kents. One where it was picked up by the Wayne family in Gotham instead of the Kents. One where Superman was raised on Apokolyps (Planet of a major DC villian) and raised by Darkseid. The list is a long one of the books just involving Superamn. These are just a few of the goodies.

Attempts to make this comic as anything more than another Elsewords story line involving Superamn is more than just a reach or a stretch, it's an untruth born of either ignorance of the comic book heritage or a deliberate attempt to rouse the rabble.

34 posted on 05/16/2003 12:20:18 PM PDT by Melas
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