Robert E. Lee Boy Scout Council, Richmond, VA, to be Renamed. More PC for the Boy Scouts...

WRVA Radio ^ | 5/13/03 | VMI70

[VMI70]

This past weekend, my son and I went on his troop's annual father-son hike. His troop is one of many in the Robert E. Lee Council of the Boy Scouts of America, which is headquartered in Richmond, VA.

On Sunday, during the church service at the end of the hike, it was announced that the Council directors had voted to change its name from The Robert E. Lee Council, which has been in use for many decades, to something else.

This morning, the news broke on the local radio station: WRVA 1140 AM, Richmond's Morning News with Jimmy Barrett.

[HELLRAISER II]

Well I love the South, I want the flag back and I'm not a Nazi. I don't have a skin head, I don't have a nazi symbol tatooed on my forehead and I don't hate Blacks so where does that put me? Well i'm not sure but it damn sure ain't no Nazi, you think about that.

[WhiskeyPapa]

It was agreed that all federal property would have to be handed over to the government of South Carolina.

The rebels were no better than common thieves.

South Carolina ceded all claims to Fort Sumter in 1841. The feds refused to build the fort unless clear title were conveyed.

It is a travesty to call these people heroes.

Walt

[let us cross over the river]

re:#91 Civil War Times Illustrated has dedicated the current issue to Gen. Jackson. It has several good articles, and some pictures I haven't seen before. It is the 140th Anniversary issue.

[SCDogPapa]

I got news for you America is next, Old Glory is the next target and some of ya'll can't even see it happening.

They are blind, that's why.

[jgrubbs]

Thanks, I will head down to the magazine rack to pick up a copy!

[jgrubbs]

There is already a group that are trying to get the US flag changed. They refuse to say the pledge. There is even a black Congresscritter from up North who is part of this anti-American group.

[Scoutmaster]

Sorry, you're too late for a Stonewall Jackson Council. One already exists in Virginia.

As I scan my memory and look at the framed Council Shoulder Patches on the wall of my office, I see that few Councils are named after individuals. Most are geographic.

Those named after individuals that come to my mind are named after individuals who assisting the Scouting movement. Why name a Council after a CSA military officer? By the way, there is no Martin Luther King, Jr. Council either.

[HELLRAISER II]

It's teaching them that the minorities have the right to tell the majority to bend over and take up the er... (excuse me but you get the idea). Every time they get their feelings hurt the minorities scream bloody murder, hell they don't even have to have their feelings hurt. They think it's their job to whine continuously about nothing, what contribution to society will they ever become?

[SCDogPapa]

Well, that does NOT surprise me.

[Mister Baredog]

This is Newspeak worthy of the best "1984" propagandist. The -heritage- WAS hate.

Gee I thought Newspeak would be applied to the ones running around rewriting history. How are you so smart to claim that the civil war was all about HATE? They were ALL Americans. HATE is just your way of demonizing. I'm not from the South but my wife is and the "civil war" museums and historical markers are a part of our HISTORY, would you just rewrite it to suit your PC views. Historical context is important. Of course slavery was a stain on America, one that we are still paying for, but WE ended it, a fact we should feel good about.

[stainlessbanner]

Gen. Lee is a fine role model. I think it is fitting that this Council honor him and teach their young men the very best virtues of Gen. Lee. Our boys need exemplary models more than ever. Frankly I'm surprised that neither of you would speak out against this.

The liberals have proven that they will change the fabric of American life - gays in the scouts, removing the POA, the American flag, etc....what next, no bibles?

I'll take my stand.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Let me ask you a question Walt, go back to the last Presidential election and pretend just for a moment that the U.S. split into two sides because of the Election fiasco. One side is Bush supporters the other side Gore supporters, the next thing you know there's a war. Which side is right, which side is wrong?

For any one side to be "right" to disavow the outcome of an election., you'd have to show intolerable abuse of the system.

The problem for the "heritage" defenders is that in 1860, there had been no such abuse. The rebels tried to break up the government -they- had controlled for decades simply because a free election, held in accordance with the rules agreed to by all, had not gone the way they wanted.

You need to think about that, and -then- see if you can consider Lee, Jackson, or -any- of the rebels as heroes. If you do consider the real events in their proper context, you won't call Lee a hero any more.

Walt

[LouD]

The United States was constitutionally created as a confederation of states, with a weak central government. That it has evolved into something different since the conclusion of the Civil War is irrelevant to the historical analysis. Lee, along with the rest of the South, believed that states reserved the right of secession. The conflict that Lee fought settled the matter of state versus national primacy. It is not fair to condemn him for his actions before the matter was settled.

[samuel_adams_us]

The rhetoric for the next civil war has already started, this last election shows that this country is deeply divided and it will be fun to watch as the liberals bring their mouths, dull minds, and their signs to a gun battle.

[jgrubbs]

Where is the "Ignore Walt" button on the FR site?

[HELLRAISER II]

Well let's see, the Nazi's not only enslaved the Jews but tried to annihalate their whole race. They had every intention of controling the whole world and killing anyone that got in their way. While the Confederacy simply wanted the North to stay out of their damn business, yes we had a few slave and yes it was wrong. But I can't in my wildest dreams find anything remotely close to Nazi's & the Confederacy. You seem to know all the numbers on everything, find out how many people the Nazi's killed and then get back with me on how man people the South out right went and killed simply because they were black or white.

[Only1choice____Freedom]

>>"What is amazing and unique about the American experience of insurrection and rebellion is that the losers could get such favorable treatment for such inexcusable actions."

Sherman wanted a hard war and a soft peace. He got what he wanted. Because of that, we are one nation that we are today. If the North did what most wanted to, enslave the South for generations, we would have been in s situation such as Germany after WWI and the war would not have ended so well. The America that we have today is because of great men then who made wise decisions (not all the time.)
God was truely watching over us.

We could use some of that wisdom today.

[HELLRAISER II]

No American flag and no America? That's what the P.C. freaks want, I say it'll be cold day in hell before that happens.

[WhiskeyPapa]

How are you so smart to claim that the civil war was all about HATE?

Because of this:

"... a North Carolina mountaineer wrote to governor Zebulon Vance a letter that expressed the non-slave holder's view perfectly Believing that some able-bodied men ought to stay at home to preserve order, this man set forth his feelings: "We have but little interest in the value of slaves, but there is one matter in this connection about which we have a very deep interest. We are opposed to Negro equality. To prevent this we are willing to spare the last man, down to the point where women and children begin to suffer for food and clothing; when these begin to suffer and die, rather than see them equalized with an inferior race we will die with them. Everything, even life itself, stands pledged to to the cause; but that our greatest strength may be employed to the best advantage and the struggle prolonged let us not sacrifice at once the object for which we are fighting."

-- "The Coming Fury" p. 202-203 by Bruce Catton.

"Though I protest against the false and degrading standard to which Northern orators and statesmen have reduced the measure of patriotism, which is to be expected from a free and enlightened people, and in the name of the non-slaveholders of the South, fling back the insolent charge that they are only bound to their country by the consideration of its "loaves and fishes," and would be found derelict in honor and principle, and public virtue, in proportion as they were needy in circumstances, I think it but easy to show that the interest of the poorest non-slaveholder among us is to make common cause with, and die in the last trenches, in defence of the slave property of his more favored neighbor.

"The non-slaveholders of the South may be classed as either such as desire and are incapable of purchasing slaves, or such as have the means to purchase and do not, because of the absence of the motive-preferring to hire or employ cheaper white labor. A class conscientiously objecting to the ownership of slave property does not exist at the South: for all such scruples have long since been silenced by the profound and unanswerable arguments to which Yankee controversy has driven our statesmen, popular orators, and clergy. Upon the sure testimony of God's Holy Book, and upon the principles of universal polity, they have defended and justified the institution! The exceptions, which embrace recent importations in Virginia, and in some of the Southern cities, from the free States of the North, and some of the crazy, socialistic Germans in Texas, are too unimportant to affect the truth of the proposition." --J.E.B. DeBow, 1860

DeBow was the taker of the 1850 census.

The heritage CLEARLY was and IS hatred.

To take as a theme "heritage, not hate" is to deny the historical record as surely as the Nazis did when they blamed the Jews for World War One.

The record is clear on this.

Walt