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1 posted on 04/30/2003 5:45:42 AM PDT by CFW
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To: CFW
This guy's lawyer was an idiot.
2 posted on 04/30/2003 5:47:34 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Joe Brower
ping
3 posted on 04/30/2003 5:47:53 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: CFW
Why bother having a judge, when all you need is a Judge-O-matic?
4 posted on 04/30/2003 5:49:34 AM PDT by guitfiddlist
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To: CFW
He should havbe tried bow hunting!;~)
6 posted on 04/30/2003 5:51:36 AM PDT by verity
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To: CFW
So what? He's a convicted felon.

You ought to retitle the article as "ex con stupidly in possession of weapon gets the sentence he deserves".

7 posted on 04/30/2003 5:52:10 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (and the award for the most gratuitous use of the word "Belgium" in a screenplay goes to.......)
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To: CFW; *bang_list
Your NRA at work. "Project Exile"

Since it is a gun felony, he is likely to do more hard time than real rapists, thugs and thieves.

Best regards,

8 posted on 04/30/2003 5:54:08 AM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: CFW
I know I feel safer.
15 posted on 04/30/2003 6:01:03 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: CFW
In Central Texas the deer are so thick you don't have to hunt them on your property; you can hunt them on your car hood.
19 posted on 04/30/2003 6:03:00 AM PDT by twntaipan (Defend American Liberty: Defeat a demoncRAT!)
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To: CFW
Misleading headline, implying the issue was hunting - considering that the state (at least NY) tells you what/when you can/cannot hunt on your own property.
20 posted on 04/30/2003 6:05:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: CFW
Let's see......$23,000 per year for 15 years? That's $345,000.

I'd say keeping me safe from this guy has been about the same cost to me directly as the thieves who stole my 401K money. Would the New York cops start arresting anyone from Wallstreet who goes hunting?

27 posted on 04/30/2003 6:10:24 AM PDT by blackdog (Peace, love, and understanding.....$10 bucks a hit in America.)
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You can become a felon for watching cable TV channels the CTV company gives you but you don't pay for (as in: you pay for "basic" service, they forget to put on a line filter, and you discover you're getting "standard" service when you turn on the TV).

Half the problem is that only one item on the Bill Of Rights is lost by felons (why not the others?).

The other half is that it's so stupidly easy to become a felon for truly petty, even accidental, "crimes".
29 posted on 04/30/2003 6:11:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: CFW
Well, that's some sort of justice, I suppose.

Just not the kind one associates with a free country.
36 posted on 04/30/2003 6:18:34 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: CFW
When will the people of the United States wake Up? Mandatory Sentences are cruel and unusual punishment.
41 posted on 04/30/2003 6:21:42 AM PDT by Lucas1
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To: CFW
I'm sorry but championing a cause for a felon with a firearm only gives ammunition to the gun grabbers.

Felons should never be allowed to possess firearms as long as their felony record is still standing.

I support the right to bear arms, but only for the lawful citizenry.

If this guy has a felony record then he knows right well that his FID is no longer valid, his excuse is BS.

Lawful gun owners always say "If we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them", now is the time to put your money where your mouth is.

If this man had turned his life around and lived an examplery life, and if ample time has passed, he could have motioned for expungement of his conviction before taking a gun in his hands knowing that he was breaking the law by doing so.
44 posted on 04/30/2003 6:23:07 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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Btt
52 posted on 04/30/2003 6:27:26 AM PDT by chuknospam
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Here's the local coverage from 4/26/03.

Deer-hunting felon gets 15-year prison sentence

By Robert Baird
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Saturday, April 26, 2003

A Beaver County man who has three convictions for violent felonies complained Friday to a federal judge that he didn't know that he was prohibited from hunting deer with a rifle.

But U.S. District Judge Terrence McVerry told Jack C. Altsman, 43, of Fourth Avenue, Beaver Falls, that he had, indeed, violated the armed career criminal provisions of the federal firearms law.

McVerry sentenced Altsman to a mandatory 15 years in prison for possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.

A deputy game commissioner spotted Altsman with a Remington rifle in Hovey, Armstrong County, after he had been deer hunting on Nov. 26, 2001.

"I wasn't in a bank with an automatic weapon. I wasn't car-jacking someone ... I wasn't in a bar with a gun. I was deer hunting," Altsman said.

McVerry said Altsman had pleaded guilty to the charges in November before U.S. District Judge Donald Lee, who has since retired.

McVerry ordered Altsman to serve three years on supervised release after he completes his prison term.

Altsman said he didn't go to trial and present a defense because he believed he would face additional time if convicted by a jury.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Margaret Picking said Altsman has previous convictions in two burglaries and for criminal attempt.

Altsman said his father, who has Alzheimer's disease, hunts and fishes, and Altsman is the only one who can take him hunting.

McVerry said the sentencing caused him "great difficulty," because Altsman was hunting and may not have known he wasn't permitted to possess a gun.

He told Altsman he had no alternative but to impose the mandatory 15-year sentence and that he could have been sentenced to nearly 19 years.

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54 posted on 04/30/2003 6:29:57 AM PDT by Dane
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I'd be interested to hear what you ladies have to say on this.

Personally, I am opposed to jailing people for victimless crimes. Had the man used a firearm in the commission of a crime, then sure, lock him up. But otherwise...

Let's recall that the man was convicted of burglary, which means he was not carrying a firearm at the time, and did not commit violence. Otherwise, he would have been charged with robbery, armed robbery, battery, rape, or something other than burglary. Hell, this could have been a pantie raid in college, we just don't know.

Burglary:

Definition - The unlawful entry of a structure to commit a felony or theft. For reporting purposes this definition includes: unlawful entry with intent to commit a larceny or felony; breaking and entering with intent to commit a larceny; housebreaking; safecracking; and all attempts to commit any of the aforementioned.

I would like to hear what the NRA says on this, too, since they are one of the biggest pushers of mandatory sentances for "gun crimes".

58 posted on 04/30/2003 6:33:00 AM PDT by snopercod
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Throw your new born into a trash can get a year and a half, kill 6 cats get 12 years, hunt on your own property (given the constitutionally protected right to bear arms) and get 15 years. Does all this seem like we are peering through the looking-glass of wonderland or not?
60 posted on 04/30/2003 6:33:09 AM PDT by PISANO
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Then there's just a little matter of the law, which states:

being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm, in violation of title 18, United States Code, section 922(g)(1).

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922.html

63 posted on 04/30/2003 6:34:44 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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Speaking as a hunter and southern gentleman this is completely justified. Nothing against this man's character or ex-cons in general (he's paid his debt) but rules are rules and this one's got merit. I have had too many experiences of encountering irresponsible or nut-ball individuals with firearms to play loose with this idea. Just talk to any game warden and ask his or her opinion on the subject and you'll find out why they always have their hand on the butt of their pistol when they meet you in the woods.
70 posted on 04/30/2003 6:37:10 AM PDT by SquirrelKing ("Beware the barrenness of a busy life." - Socrates)
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