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To: PatrickHenry
That is your comment in response to a website with photos and information about pre-human skulls?

The photos are garbage, they prove nothing at all. You can see people with numerous different head shapes today, they are all human nevertheless. To show that one evolved from another you would have to date with certainty each and every one of those skulls. Most of them cannot be dated.

To show that one evolved with certainty from another, you would have to have the rest of the skeleton to see more features. Most of the skeletons for those skulls do not exist.

To show that one evolved from another you would have to know how the internal organs developed on those skulls. Fossils do not provide us with the internal organs.

To prove the gradual evolution of one from another you would need the DNA of those organisms. You cannot get DNA from fossils except in very, very exceptional circumstances.

In short, the skulls prove nothing at all. They are mostly of totally undated finds.

393 posted on 04/25/2003 5:02:57 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
The photos are garbage, they prove nothing at all.

Only to those who wish to cover their eyes and sing, "la la la I can't hear you". To those willing to examine the evidence, however, they prove quite a bit.

You can see people with numerous different head shapes today, they are all human nevertheless.

Yawn. And yet, no one, anywhere today, has skulls like most of those in the photo. Conversely, no modern-type skull has ever been found anywhere prior to a few hundred thousand years ago.

To show that one evolved from another you would have to date with certainty each and every one of those skulls. Most of them cannot be dated.

Sorry, but you're quite mistaken.

To show that one evolved with certainty from another, you would have to have the rest of the skeleton to see more features.

Again, you are quite mistaken.

To show that one evolved from another you would have to know how the internal organs developed on those skulls.

Again, quite mistaken. This is getting to be quite a habit for you, isn't it?

To prove the gradual evolution of one from another you would need the DNA of those organisms.

Wrong again.

You cannot get DNA from fossils except in very, very exceptional circumstances.

It's not *that* rare. And the times that DNA has been recovered, it supports the evolutionary view.

In short, the skulls prove nothing at all.

Finish this sentence: "There are none so blind..."

413 posted on 04/25/2003 5:40:28 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: gore3000
PatrickHenry writes,
The photos are garbage, they prove nothing at all. You can see people with numerous different head shapes today, they are all human nevertheless. To show that one evolved from another you would have to date with certainty each and every one of those skulls. Most of them cannot be dated.

Pure unsubstantiated bunk!!! Do you think you can just make up whatever the heck you want, without the slightest documentation, and not get caught doing it?

Here is a plot of fossil skull dates vs. fossil skull cranial capacities. Read it and weep.

Here is the source article, Falk et al. I'm sure that if you follow the references in the caption, the dating of every single skull in in the graph can be traced to peer-reviewed publications.

So far the creationists have offered up *nothing* in support of their views in this thread except for (1) unreferenced, unsubstantiated, and often disproved assertions and (2) insults about the character and religion of the evolutionists.

While their science sucks, you have to admit that they are doing a pretty good imitation of the Iraqi Information Minister.

433 posted on 04/25/2003 9:00:58 PM PDT by eagleman
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