Posted on 04/20/2003 10:36:35 AM PDT by JHL
On Easter of all days, Gary Trudeau uses his Doonesbury cartoon to insult Christians in general, and George Bush's faith in particular. How quick the liberals are to condemn someone else's faith and belief system, but just let a Christian say anything negative about another's belief system and how quick they are to invoke an injunction against "judgementalism."
You can read the cartoon for yourself at the following link CLICK HERE for cartoon
Where in evolutionary theory does it say that "...snow has been piling up in Greenland since the beginning of the Earth at a uniform rate..."? You say that this is constantly claimed. Where is this claimed constantly (not that your statement implies many such clamis)? Refereed literature reference required.
Sorry. It was Junior that made those statements. You sounded just like him.
Caught in a lie you try to continue with it through semantics and obfuscation. Ice is thicker than water. Therefore any compression of the snow will result in less than the 1 to 10 ratio of snow to water - as I already pointed out. Your 1 to 90 could have been called a mistake before this last post, but it can no longer be called that. You are intentionally making up stuff in an effort to deceive.
Second Request
Would you kindly quote my "statements against Genesis and Christ's statements in the Bible."
If you cannot find those false quotes, you should apologize for your false witness.
Are you a Christian or a fibber?
That was the premise of Jennyp's post which you were trying to back up. Further, evolutionist assumptions are indeed based on uniformitarianism - that all their measurements of today can be extended back without modification as far as they wish. I am glad you agree with me that such assumptions by evolutionists are utterly ridiculous.
Me: " ... Either you believe what God says or you don't."
You: Surely you mean, "either you believe one of the several books compiled from the words (often Nth-hand words) of people who *claimed* that they were God's mouthpieces (while leaving out the tales of other people who claimed the same thing), or you don't".
LOL! Can you prove it ISN'T true? Can you also explain WHY the Bible is vindicated ALL the time in archelogy and secular history? Other people may "claim" the same thing, however it is the Bible that is true - even through secular evdience.
You: Let's not pretend that any of us have indisputably heard "what God says" directly from the source.
Me: I don't need to "pretend" anything. Evidence speaks for me and endorses what "is written". If you hear voices, I strongly suggest you get professional help.
You: All too often someone's claims about "what God said" sounds a little too much like the story of Hank.
Me:I have no idea how you drifted off into hearing voices or who this Hank fellow is. You're way off topic.
Me:If you don't want to believe the Bible, believe in the Judeo Christian God or evidence that validates what "is written" in the Bible, then don't. But for heavens sake stop making a fool out of yourself.
Read post# 362. Now can you answer the question asked?
God could have used many methods to create my body, and at present, it seems that organic evolution is the best theory available.
My soul is a different matter. My soul was not inherited from my parents, therefore my soul was created directly by God before I was born.
Catholic.com says:
Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, ...
This verse fits you toa "t". It takes a tremendous leap of faith to buy into evolution. Goodness, it's been so discredited. I suppose what amazes me is the lengths one will go to to deny the Judeo Christian God and use their meager finite knowledge as the measuring stick in mocking God who is not limited by anything. It just strikes me as funny - the vanity and ego of your kind.
Weak apology, trying to blame your confusion on me.
Poor sap, the more he responds the sillier he looks.
How does evolution contradict God?
Hi Prag,
I don't believe anyone got around to addressing your question - so let me take a shot.
The hypothesis of evolution obviously doesn't contradict the existance of an Almighty, Eternal God - because we can always construct a belief that God created the mechanism of macro Goo to You evolution.
Its just contrary to the Bible - the Word of God. And God, unlike man, does not lie.
Re-read Psalm 119 (the longest Chapter in the Bible) for an idea of the importance that God puts in His Word.
Genesis states that God created life on earth on Days 5 and 6.
Exodus 20:11 reminds us that God created the Earth in six days; and Jesus tells us that man was here from the 'beginning'. Furthermore, the evolution model brings with it some theological problems, such as:
1) God looked at the Creation after Day 6 (Genesis 2) and found that it was all 'very good'. Tough to claim this if death and destruction reigned for millions of years.
2) If death existed for millions of years - why did Christ have to die (and rise from the dead)?
1 Cor 15:22
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Rom 5:12-15
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Death entered into the world because of sin (by the disobedience of the first man). And its through Christ we can finally say:
1 Cor 15:55-57
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
So, although evolution doesn't 'contradict God' - it is incompatible with the Bible.
And we've been told to reject God's Word for what? A fairy tale that requires organisms to gain genetic information. We're told to believe that a 'quantum fluctuation' created the universe, the galaxies, the stars, and eventually lifeless chemicals that coalesced together and formed life... To believe less, would be to reject 'science'.
Funny, this handicap didn't seem to hamper Creationists Issac Newton, Kepler, Pasteur, Robert Maxwell, etc ... but I guess they were lucky ignorami.
Well, I've droned on too long on this one, and as one poster put it earlier -- these Evolution vs. Creation threads can go on forever.
If I may, I'd like to recommend answersingenesis.org and icr.org as two excellent websites to review.
Beep. Wrong. No one is defending Trudeau. We do agree with him that creationists are ignorant, though.
... bashing Christians,...
Nope. Only bashing you, and you cannot be considered Christian because of your track record of lies and deceit.
... saying that the Bible cannot be taken literally (implying that it is not TRUE)...
Only some parts cannot be taken literally and must be taken allegorically. Genesis is an example. Otherwise the Bible is in conflict with the evidence. And, having to take parts of the Bible allegorically does not imply that it is not true. Allegories can be "true" if used correctly. The parables of Jesus are an example. You see, this is why most of us consider you to be, at best, a child. You seem to lack the reasoning skills possessed by most adults.
... and you folks dare call yourselves anything but atheists?
So, anyone who disagrees with the great Little Boy Blue on interpretation of Scripture must be an atheist. You are so full of yourself you squeak when you walk.
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