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Trudeau insults Christians in Easter Day Doonesbury cartoon
Doonesbury Cartoon ^ | April 20, 2003 | Gary Trudeau

Posted on 04/20/2003 10:36:35 AM PDT by JHL

On Easter of all days, Gary Trudeau uses his Doonesbury cartoon to insult Christians in general, and George Bush's faith in particular. How quick the liberals are to condemn someone else's faith and belief system, but just let a Christian say anything negative about another's belief system and how quick they are to invoke an injunction against "judgementalism."

You can read the cartoon for yourself at the following link CLICK HERE for cartoon


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antibush; antichristian; bc; bushbashing; cartoonist; cartoonists; christian; christianity; christiansoldier; comic; comics; comicstrip; comicstrips; creationism; crevolist; doonesbury; easter; evolution; johnnyhart; mrjanepauley; trudeau
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To: whattajoke
No scientist purports to have all the answers

Then evolution cannot be a science since scientists who hold to evolutionary beliefs claim to have most, if not all, of the "answers".

281 posted on 04/22/2003 11:45:01 AM PDT by HalfFull
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To: dighton
Gary Trudeau does indeed draw the strip but he has had the same uncredited art assistant since the early 1970s.
282 posted on 04/22/2003 11:52:40 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: Ichneumon
Comic strip submission deadlines are usually weeks in advance of their publication date. He may have not consulted a calendar. If his life doesn't revolve around religious holidays (and it most likely doesn't), he might not have been aware that that strip's publication date was going to fall on a religious holiday.

Just like Mirimax-Disney was unaware that their antiCatholic art film "Priest" was originally slated to be released on Good Friday some years back?

You give them too much good faith and credit.

283 posted on 04/22/2003 11:59:48 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: HalfFull
You're assumption is not correct. Sure, scientists have a very good grasp on the facts of evolution, and they have an incredible amount of evidence to back them up, but there is still some healthy debate on the processes behind it. Just like there is in many realms of physics, among other sciences. It is the religionists who claim to have all the answers (even if they usually end with, "God made it so.")
284 posted on 04/22/2003 12:01:14 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: eagleman
Read through the Genesis account, and see to whom God promised immortality.

Specifically, note whom He did NOT promise immortality or eternal souls to... (bacteria, fish, animals, et al).

Therefore, the only conflict between evolution and the creation account comes down to the meaning of the length of a day, unless you want to read immortal parakeets into the Genesis account...
285 posted on 04/22/2003 12:08:36 PM PDT by Nataku X (Never give Bush any power you wouldn't want to give to Hillary.)
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To: Hillary? Hell no!
Plenty of Christians, if not the majority, believe that it is possible or even quite likely that evolution was the very mechanism that God used for creation, and that the Genesis account is a beautiful allegory.

This means that a know-nothing cartoonist has turned HIS back to vast human experience and knowledge...

286 posted on 04/22/2003 12:08:46 PM PDT by FreeReign (V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
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To: weegee
He does hit the nail on the head with Walden College & Zipper, Zonker's nephew. Other than that worthless.
287 posted on 04/22/2003 12:20:44 PM PDT by wordsofearnest
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To: Diplomat
Your arguments are incomplete (rather than wrong.)

The uniformity of distribution has nothing to do with clustering. What it means is that there is no preferred position nor direction in space. The universe should look the same from any point.

The luminosity of a star does drop of as 1/R** for a star at radius R. However the volume of a spherical shell at distance R is proportional to R**2 so the average luminosity should be constant.

Small scale uniformity isn't required but averaging over these small scales should be essentially uniform. Failure to have such uniformity would require that stars line up behind each other as seen from the Earth. From other perspectives, one would see long lines of stars pointing away from Earth. It's not easy to explain how such an arrangement could remain in place for billions of years. Note: even if the Earth saw an anisotropic arrangement, this doesn't necessarily hold for other vantage points which themselves would have to deal with Olbers Paradox.



In terms of distant galaxies, they've already been seen.

Ther is no center for the big bang. The whole universe is the center. It happened everywhere at once.
288 posted on 04/22/2003 12:24:48 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; whattajoke; All
May ya’ cooperate with leeches,
May you grow up to be fools,
May the knowledge of my half-truths,
Just block the light around you too.
And may you stay, forever dumb,
Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.




To: ravinson

I knew I would hit---dredge up the mother lode out there...

FOREVER DUMB ...

May my herd always be loyal, (( cnn bots ))

(parody of "Forever Young")

May God bless and keep my lawyers,
May my bitch not piss-off Jews,
May y'all do it to each other,
And let the government do it to you.
May ol' Bill still matter to the stars
And rise above his scum,
And may you stay, forever dumb,
Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.

May ya’ cooperate with leeches,
May you grow up to be fools,
May the knowledge of my half-truths,
Just block the light around you too.
May y’all ignore outrages,
And let my guys take all your guns,
And may you stay, forever dumb,
Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.

Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.

May old "Handsome" always be sleazy,
May the meek always vote left,
May I mask equivocations,
When the winds of change may shift.
May my herd always be loyal,
May my throngs always be numb,
And may you stay, forever dumb,
Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.

thanks!


12 posted on 12/17/2001 3:02 PM PST by f.Christian


May ya’ cooperate with leeches,
May you grow up to be fools,
May the knowledge of my half-truths,
Just block the light around you too.
And may you stay, forever dumb,
Forever dumb, forever dumb,
May you stay, forever dumb.
289 posted on 04/22/2003 1:04:39 PM PDT by f.Christian (( There go I but for the grace of God !))
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To: f.Christian
You seem to have gone that way inspite of the Grace of God.
290 posted on 04/22/2003 1:19:42 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PatrickHenry
This is the research center where all those amazing blue postings come from:

I like this new theme in your responses to the blue posts!

291 posted on 04/22/2003 1:20:24 PM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Watermelons ...

green (( brainwashing )) -- on the outside ...

- red (( indoctrination )) -- on the inside !

Weapons of mass liberation -- instruction --- FR // Rush Limbaugh !

also ...

regime (( junta reno // gore )) change --- ELIAN !
292 posted on 04/22/2003 1:26:15 PM PDT by f.Christian (( There go I but for the grace of God !))
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To: Doctor Stochastic
There is no center for the big bang. The whole universe is the center. It happened everywhere at once.

If there is no center, why is it still called the big bang theory? Isn't this what astronomers have been trying to prove since I was in school, oh so many years ago? I guess the determination of the initial center point didn't pan out with the red shift calculations and our current observations, so they dropped the idea of the initial explosion creating the universe as we know it?

Do astronomers accept the notion that If stars are constantly being created on their own, living and dying over time, independent of the initial creation of the universe? if so, then shouldn't it be called the "continual bang theory"? Or do astronomers not accept the notion that new stars are being created on an ongoing basis?

As to the distribution argument, why is the observable universe not somewhat uniformly distributed as we see it now? Why wouldn't we see uniformity now if The big bang happened everywhere at once.?

The only place where I appear to differ from the current scientists is that they believe our viewable universe is all that there is. We are a one shot wonder, nothing more.

How about all the existing dead "cluster universes" are acting like black holes and trapping all the light from the further out dead/alive universes and are thus preventing us from collecting the data to prove my hypothesis? "Would you believe" it's not the bogus space dust that invalidates Olber's paradox, but all these burnt out universes acting as black holes trapping the light that we should find from our vantage point. Are the current astronomers still looking for additional mass within the universe to validate their red shift or other mathematical problems? Or to eplain why our aged (whatever the current number is) universe doesn't have more mass in it to explain the current state of our universes expansion/contraction?

btw, what do you do for a living to know so much about this?

293 posted on 04/22/2003 1:32:39 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: JHL
I liked gym and band.
294 posted on 04/22/2003 1:43:12 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th% (Is Algore really preparing for a recount of the war in Iraq?)
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To: Diplomat
I do mathematical work for the government.
295 posted on 04/22/2003 1:51:02 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Diplomat
The directions and the math behind it is up to someone else with superior ability than I to discover.

This has already been done, and, except for some local clumping (galaxy clusters, and what not), the universe is isotropic and homogeneous on large scales.

You may or may not have heard of the phenomenon known as gamma-ray bursts, first observed by spy satellites in the 1970's searching for gamma-rays emitted by nuclear tests in the USSR and elsewhere.

Throughout the 1980's and early 1990's, we didn't know where this phenomenon originated. What could cause an intense, short emission of gamma-rays, and where did they come from? Scientists devised several statistical tests to determine the distribution of GRB's, and then applied the current observed set to those tests. As more and more bursts were observed, it was determined that they were isotropic and homogeneous in distribution, that is to say, there was no clumping in any direction in the sky. These results were deemed to be supportive of a cosmological source of the phenomenon, because anything nearby (even in the Local Group) would introduce asymmetries in the distribution.

If you need references I'd be happy to dig them up for you.

296 posted on 04/22/2003 1:52:38 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: Diplomat
Maybe this helps a little bit: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm ;)
297 posted on 04/22/2003 1:59:01 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: JHL
Hebrews 11:

1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. 2This is what the ancients were commended for.

3By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. 4By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead. 5By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

7By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.

8By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.

11By faith Abraham, even though he was past age--and Sarah herself was barren--was enabled to become a father because he[1] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. 17By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, "It is through Isaac that your offspring[2] will be reckoned."[3] 19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death.

20By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.

21By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph's sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.

22By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions about his bones.

23By faith Moses' parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king's edict.

24By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh's daughter. 25He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a short time. 26He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king's anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.

29By faith the people passed through the Red Sea[4] as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.

30By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the people had marched around them for seven days.

31By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[5] 32And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets, 33who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection. 36Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison. 37They were stoned[6] ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated-- 38the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground.

39These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.


I'll take faith any day over being someone like Trudeau, a miserable, hateful, low life.
298 posted on 04/22/2003 2:05:26 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Diplomat

If there is no center, why is it still called the big bang theory? Isn't this what astronomers have been trying to prove since I was in school, oh so many years ago? I guess the determination of the initial center point didn't pan out with the red shift calculations and our current observations, so they dropped the idea of the initial explosion creating the universe as we know it?

I'm not a cosmologist (I'm more interested in science at redshifts < 1), but basically, there is no observed center of the universe. It's kinda of a complex reasoning, but here's one way to look at it:

Remember that because light has a speed, the farther back in distance you look, the farther back in time you look. The farthest back in time that we can "see" is the infrared background, which is nearly a source of nearly constant intensity and temperature that is nearly perfectly homogeneous in the sky. It acts as a wall to us, we can't see the universe beyond it, and it is what really prevents us form seeing the BB itself, since no radiation source we know of penetrates it, and it is the biggest piece of evidence that there was indeed a BB. That is the only reference frame that exists, and it is part of the universe itself. If we had a preference to one side of the center or another, than that background would be preferentially hotter to one side, and it is not. That is one bit of evidence that the universe doesn't have a center. You are thinking of the universe as an n-dimensional space, but it is not that simple.

299 posted on 04/22/2003 2:09:34 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: BMCDA
Maybe this helps a little bit: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm ;)

Highly recommended link.....

300 posted on 04/22/2003 2:13:58 PM PDT by longshadow
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