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French begged Bush to take call
The Daily Telegraph ^ | April 17, 2003 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 04/16/2003 5:17:16 PM PDT by MadIvan

A clear-the-air telephone call between President Jacques Chirac and President George W Bush this week was secured only by repeated pleading from French diplomats, it emerged yesterday. The 20-minute call on Tuesday was the first time they had spoken for more than two months.

When asked if the talk had been "positive", Ari Fleischer, Mr Bush's spokesman, said: "From the President's point of view, he would call it a business-like conversation." M Chirac's spokesman said he had been "pragmatic" about post-war Iraq.

Before the call could be arranged, Jean-David Levitte, the French ambassador to Washington, had to lobby Karl Rove, Mr Bush's chief political strategist, and Stephen Hadley, the deputy national security adviser, at the White House.

Final American agreement to the call was secured only after discussions on Monday between Colin Powell, the US secretary of state, and Dominique de Villepin, the French foreign minister.

Last week, Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defence secretary, told senators: "The French have behaved in ways . . . that have been very damaging to Nato. I think France is going to pay some consequences, not just with us but with other countries."

A senior Bush administration official told The Washington Post: "What the French did . . . was serious and, yes, it is a problem. How much of a problem and how lasting it is going to be depend on the French. They can choose to make it much more serious, in which case the consequences will be there, and it will be very bad."

Mr Bush is known for being extremely slow to forgive those who have crossed him, particularly if he feels that they have been disloyal or dishonest. He was livid with Gerhard Schröder after the Chancellor's election campaign, which was widely seen as anti-American.

The anger towards France is deeper and more pervasive. French firms have suffered a loss of income from cancelled American orders and officials argue that the successful French attempt to scupper a second United Nations resolution extended far beyond M Chirac.

Mr Powell is understood to be still furious about the way in which he was treated by M de Villepin when he was called to a meeting supposedly about the international war against terrorism, only to be surprised by the French foreign minister declaring France's opposition to war with Iraq.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; chirac; collateralbenefits; france; iraq; olivebranch; uk; us; war; whineandcheese
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To: Grampa Dave
Regarding Post #62, French Products, I must add the following:

Mark this OFF your "Things NOT to Buy" list...........

The makers of French's Mustard released the following statement:

"We at the French's Company wish to put an end to
statements that our product is manufactured in
France. There is no relationship, nor has there
ever been any relationship, between our mustard
and the country of France.

Indeed our mustard is manufactured in Rochester, N.Y.

The only thing we have in common is that we are both yellow."

101 posted on 04/16/2003 8:08:19 PM PDT by rundy
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To: JZoback
Fiji Water ? Have never heard of it, thanks will start looking.
102 posted on 04/16/2003 8:08:44 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Kip Lange
Here's a townhall.com column by Tony Blankley to help them understand us better.

March 26, 2003

National personality

The American personality might be characterized as an easygoing, sentimental, fair-minded ruthlessness. We tie yellow ribbons 'round the old oak tree at the same moment we dispatch a wing of B-52s to carpet-bomb the enemy. No murderer in the world gets as many appeals from his conviction as an American murderer. But when we have finished being fair (about the same length of time that a French murderer has to spend in prison before being released), we fry him. More recently, to show our gentle side, we have taken to killing our murderers with a painless lethal injection.

Even amongst our law-abiding citizens, we shock the Europeans with both our generosity and ferocity. We provide for every kid with a pulse to go to college, and then let them sink or swim in the workplace. American workers are lucky to get two weeks of vacation a year, and if an American is out of work, he is, after a few months, out of luck. In 1996, we repealed the right to welfare payments. Poor people in America have the choice of going to work or going to hell. A few nitwit school boards have outlawed dodgeball: but for most Americans dodgeball is a way of life -- and we aim at the head.

Europeans, on the other hand, only permit a fraction of their students to go to college, but then coddle their lazy population with lifetime-guaranteed maintenance and a month and a half of vacation for those who choose to work. Americans consider it a compliment to be called a cowboy. The French take it as an insult.

The current war with Iraq will bring out all these aspects of our national personality. We started by spending six months asking nicely for Saddam to obey the law. When he refused, we asked nicely for our friends to help us enforce the law. When many of them refused, we appealed to their sentiment -- after all, we had helped them out for most of the last century. But when we found out they had a lump of coal where a heart ought to be, we still politely told them we would do it ourselves.

Now the war has started, and once again we are being nice, reasonable, sentimental and fair-minded. First we asked Saddam's generals and colonels to give up quietly. They told us they would think about it. So we carefully didn't bomb their headquarters in Baghdad. We want the Iraqi people to be our friends, so we left their televisions and water and lights on while we bombed around, but not in, their residential neighborhoods. We did not want to risk violating the Geneva Conventions, so when their soldiers came out with their hands up and carrying a white flag, we tried to accept their surrender. We lost some good men when the surrendering Iraqis pulled their guns and started shooting. We didn't want to hurt non-combatants. So when Iraqi soldiers dressed as civilians, they were able to machine gun a few of our men -- until we got the joke. We didn't want any Iraqis to go hungry, and told them we had waiting shiploads of food and medicine, ready to take up the main highway from Kuwait. So Saddam's goon squads started taking potshots at our trucks -- assuring a delay in bringing up the civilian supplies.

So far, the Iraqi generals have seen the easygoing, sentimental and fair-minded parts of our personality. But rumor has it that the Marines are developing itchy trigger fingers as revenge for their fallen brothers fill their hearts. Our pilots are getting tired of blowing up empty buildings in Baghdad. Our line generals, just about finished making friends, are looking forward to giving the orders to start influencing (Iraqi) people. And Americans from sea to shining sea have visions of daisycutters dancing in our heads.

Americans are fair, and more than fair. We will even accept a few unnecessary casualties to give the other side time to do the right thing. We understand the need to have as many Iraqis friendly when the shooting stops. But even more importantly, we understand that if Saddam and his gang are still on their feet when the shooting stops, all the goodwill of the Iraqi people would be worth nothing. And expending the lives of American soldiers in order to save the lives of Iraqi civilians is not a transaction Americans will look on kindly for long. Woe betide the American president who is not prepared to be as murderously ruthless as the American people when we are finished being easygoing, sentimental and fair-minded.

103 posted on 04/16/2003 8:11:47 PM PDT by Anamensis (New axis of evil: Syria, Ithaca, Hollywood)
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To: Irish Eyes
Fiji Water


104 posted on 04/16/2003 8:15:33 PM PDT by JZoback (Don't have such an open mind, your brain falls out)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I admit to farting in the general direction of France.
I also wish to make clear to the people of France,I consider you as a western educated society, worse than the horror that was the Hussein Regime.
France Knew!
And still they provide succor to a murderous regime.They do so thoughout the third world.
France must be held to account.The depth of their perfidy is unique.
The USA is not in a forgiving, turn the other cheek mood.
France will pay dearly for all Coalition and Iraqi war dead.
Place your bets on who ultimately will suffer most, people
dealer is looking.....

105 posted on 04/16/2003 8:16:32 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: MadIvan
Maybe people aren't boycotting?
Maybe they are afraid of what could happen to them (eg., terrorism) in a country ruled by pussies.


106 posted on 04/16/2003 8:16:52 PM PDT by demsux
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To: MadIvan
The French also begged Bush and Americans to drink the Koolaid as well. Away with the French, they are the past nobody got along with.
107 posted on 04/16/2003 8:17:26 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: MadIvan
Dubya to Chirac, "If the phone don't ring, it's me"!

LOL!! I'm glad he's making them squirm like the worms they are!

108 posted on 04/16/2003 8:17:44 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: MadIvan
A $500 French record album circa 1973 (or what was worth $500 six months ago)....


109 posted on 04/16/2003 8:18:26 PM PDT by tuna_battle_slight_return
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To: MadIvan
If you made a list of "Things Texans Admire", treachery wouldn't be in the top 100.
110 posted on 04/16/2003 8:21:01 PM PDT by 185JHP ( Brisance. Puissance. Resolve.)
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To: MadIvan
M Chirac's spokesman said...

I thought "Madamoiselle" was abbreviated "Mdme".

111 posted on 04/16/2003 8:22:56 PM PDT by WhaChuLookinAt
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To: Beck_isright
A great story, true or false, LOL!!!!!!

I enjoyed it. Typical French complaint, Could be true!

112 posted on 04/16/2003 8:26:14 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: MadIvan
I hear that froggie hangovers are the pits..


113 posted on 04/16/2003 8:27:05 PM PDT by DeFault User (Ils sont sales cochons)
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To: CharacterCounts
It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that the same percentage of the French opposed their liberation by the US and Britain in WWII.

That would have been Vichy France.

114 posted on 04/16/2003 8:28:32 PM PDT by xp38
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To: sarasmom
The USA is not in a forgiving, turn the other cheek mood.

Agreed. This gives us hope.

Mr Bush is known for being extremely slow to forgive those who have crossed him, particularly if he feels that they have been disloyal or dishonest. He was livid with Gerhard Schröder after the Chancellor's election campaign, which was widely seen as anti-American.

115 posted on 04/16/2003 8:34:36 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Like so many others, I've been angry and unforgiving about France actively trying to thwart us in the Iraq war. I'm boycotting all French goods (even closing a little local bank acct that turns out to be owned by a French bank)and have canceled all plans for future vacations to France.

That said, I have to tell you that I used to love visiting France (have been going about 2-3x/yr for the last several years). I found the people on the street to be very friendly--yes, friendly!--and helpful. My husband and I never experienced any of that famous rudeness or arrogance attributed to the french people. We've had strangers in paris lead us by the hand when we were clearly lost. And one family even gave us tokens to get on the Metro because we didn't have the right change or the tokens. So, I have to tell you that visiting France used to be a pleasure--both for its people and its countryside.

But as I said, the govt's behavior has been dispicable. I don't know if that anti-Americanism is limited to the govt itself. I've seen the polls that suggested that the French people, about 1/3 of them, wished for Saddam's victory. That saddens me, too. Then again, maybe those polls are done by THEIR leftist media, too? After all, if you see a CNN or NY Times, you'd get a different picture of public sentiment than if you saw a similar poll taken by FoxNews.

So, no, I won't be visiting France again for a long time, if ever (not until there's a drastic change in their govt's attitude). But I did love its people, the language, and the countryside (the cemetaries in Normandy are something to behold--very poignant and sobering).
116 posted on 04/16/2003 9:57:08 PM PDT by MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
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To: MadIvan
Thanks. Make 'em crawl MR. PRESIDENT. MAKE THEM CRAWL
117 posted on 04/16/2003 10:02:03 PM PDT by madison46 (Bandwagon was full when it left the gate - I hope it remains too full for frogs & co.)
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To: Ole Okie
Dubya is known for holding grudges. So long as it doesn't interfere with the nation's interests, I expect that he'll let Chirac stew.
118 posted on 04/16/2003 10:03:06 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: MightyMouseToSaveThe Day
"(the cemetaries in Normandy are something to behold--"

Yes, they are - because they're full of Americans, not because of anything the frogs have done.

I've been in France several times, and I didn't see the friendliness of which you speak.
They've always been the rudest, most discourteous people I've been around - and I've been all over Europe.
I agree that the countryside is beautiful, but it's wasted on the frogs.

119 posted on 04/16/2003 10:23:54 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
why would an American vacation in such a rude, arrogant country such as France when the whole United States awaits?

Or Poland? Supposed to be beautiful. I thought a hop to the UK and then to Poland after a couple stops in the U.S. would be a great idea later this year.

120 posted on 04/16/2003 10:31:49 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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