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Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

A Maryland minister was barred from giving the opening prayer in the state Senate after he refused to drop a reference to Jesus.

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

Miller issued the orders after two Jewish lawmakers threatened to stage a boycott of the legislative session if the phrase was not removed.

"I'm shocked by the response. I've never had this happen in 26 years," Hughes told the Frederick News-Post. "It just makes me feel that they've taken away my right as an American to pray, and this is the seat of government, and that's scary."

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

Opening up legislative sessions with prayer is a longstanding tradition in Maryland, as it is in states across the country. Mooney told WorldNetDaily no one had been barred from giving an invocation before. He sees irony in yesterday's "censorship."

Maryland state Republican Rep. Alex Mooney

"We were the first state to address religious tolerance in our state charter," he told WorldNetDaily. "This just shows a lack of tolerance for peoples' religious views."

Mooney recalled numerous instances of invocations referencing Jesus throughout the four years that he has been in office.

But at the beginning of the session this year, a string of invocations by Baptist preachers invoking the name Jesus Christ sparked debate on the issue. Miller appealed to lawmakers for tolerance and urged they stick to guidelines that call for invocations to be of an ecumenical nature and respectful of all faiths.

Webster's New World Dictionary defines ecumenical as "promoting cooperation or better understanding among differing religious faiths."

Since the debate, the Senate clerk screens prayers ahead of time and flagged the written text submitted by Hughes.

When Sens. Ida Ruben and Gloria Hollinger – both of whom are Jewish – heard of the reference, they asked Mooney to strike it.

"I said, 'Hey, I'll let him pray however he wants to pray. I'm not going to censor him and tell him how he needs to pray,'" Mooney told WND.

Ruben told the Frederick News-Post she then urged Hughes to substitute "messiah" for Jesus, telling him the reference could offend non-Christians and goes against the guidelines.

Neither Ruben nor Miller returned calls seeking comment.

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

The senators next asked to be excused from the floor during the prayer.

Paradoxically, a walk-out over a Muslim cleric's prayer opening a Washington state legislative session last month backfired on one Christian lawmaker.

Washington state Republican Rep. Lois McMahan

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rep. Lois McMahan, a Republican from Gig Harbor, Wash., refused to participate in the prayer and declared, "My god is not Muhammed."

"The Islamic religion is so ... part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said in an interview with the Seattle Post Intelligencer. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

But a day later, McMahan apologized on the floor of the state House of Representatives amid mounting furor over her stance.

Debate over invocations is raging elsewhere in the country. As WorldNetDaily reported, several Southern California cities are grappling with threats from both sides of the issue.

Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union to quit using the name Jesus Christ in invocations, the city of Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, decided to eliminate mention of "religious figures." The decree subsequently had the apparent effect of eliminating the prayer altogether, as no local pastors would accept invitations to deliver the prayer, and city councilors adopted moments of silence instead.

The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion.

But the nonprofit United States Justice Foundation, which threatened to sue the city if it failed to reverse its decision, maintains telling a pastor what to pray is a violation of his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion.

The notion of "separation of church and state" is derived from the dissenting opinion of the 1946 Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education, which upheld a program allowing parents to be repaid from state funds for the costs of transportation to private religious schools. The court required only that the state maintain neutrality in its relations with various groups of religious believers.

"The decision in Everson does not rise to the level of being a battle cry for those who would wish to remove every vestige of religion from the public forum," USJF litigation counsel Richard Ackerman asserts.

"There's a push in this country to remove religion from society," Mooney echoed, "from the Supreme Court's decision on the Pledge to the ACLU going after all the Ten Commandments posted across the country. ... Nothing in the church-state relationship allows censorship and the removal of religious values from society."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; ecumenical; hypocrites; jews; liberals; maryland; silliness; watereddown
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To: cyborg
ty. I have heard of this.
301 posted on 04/03/2003 8:10:41 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: Bella_Bru
Just a question, but why couldn't the prayer just have included G-d? Jews and Christians both worship the G-d of Abraham, why wasn't that enough?

Its very simple: Jesus claimed to be God, and specifically instructed that prayer be offered in His name. (John 14:13, 15:7, 15:16 16:19 & etc.) Praying in Jesus' name is an integral part of Christianity, from Jesus until today.

If Jews, Moslems or people of other religions don't like that: GET OVER IT. IT'S CALLED TOLLERANCE!

As a Christian I am deeply offended by neutral, ecumenical, namby-pamby prayers--they disobey the commands of Jesus, and they don't reflect reality...

302 posted on 04/03/2003 8:10:57 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: chuckles; Jhoffa_; Thinkin' Gal
Yes. Thank you.
303 posted on 04/03/2003 8:12:25 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: AnalogReigns
As a Christian I am deeply offended by neutral, ecumenical, namby-pamby prayers--they disobey the commands of Jesus, and they don't reflect reality...

You would say this even though you were making a prayer to a group of people which had Jews in addition to Christians?

304 posted on 04/03/2003 8:12:32 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif


To Christians, Jesus is G-d.
The fact that some find the utterance of his name offensive is kinda upsetting. It's becoming the word we're
not to say in polite company anymore.

Maybe Christians need to come up with a new politically correct codename for Jesus.

I don't think they should have the prayers at all by the way.
305 posted on 04/03/2003 8:12:42 PM PST by katnip
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To: Bella_Bru
As best I understand it, here's why:

Christ, even though he was raised Jewish and called Rabbi by his followers absolutely rejected the faith.

He stated "A man is not defiled by what he puts in his mouth, but by every word that comes out"
A rejection of Jewish tradition.

When he healed a man on the sabbath, many were critical, and he said "Which of you, whose pig had fallen into a put on the Sabbath, would not save it?"
Thus rejecting jewish tradition.

He chastised the apostles for trying to defnd him at the Garden of Gethsemene, and healed the ear of a soldier who had been struck of.
Thus rejecting Jewish philosophy of "An eye for an eye"

Commenting on the hoopla of the religious festivals, he said "Don't pray in public. Go into a closet and pray."
Rejecting the traditions that went along with Jewish festivals.

He went to the temple, and overthrew the tables, crying "My house is a house of prayer and you have made it a den of thieves!"
Rejecting a traditional mode of financial support for the priests.
Remember, each of those tables paid a fee to the temple priests for a spot.


Finally, he continually referred to the Jewish elders and Priests as hypocrites and scoundrels, and a good study of his trial and Jewish law at the time undeniably proves he was put to death not by the Romans, but by the Jewish power structure.
306 posted on 04/03/2003 8:12:51 PM PST by djf
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To: sauropod
{This is a Pubbie/DemocRAT thing.}

Bingo! This is the latest attempt of the RATS to portray the Pubbies as intolerant bigots. First they played the race card with Trent Lott. Now MD RATS are playing the anti-semite card. Many Jews are unhappy with the RATS for not showing strong support for Israel. This incident in the MD General Assembly is a method to keep Jews on the RAT plantation.

Last month in the WA General Assembly, a Pubbie protested a Muslim Imam leading a prayer to Allah in the legislative chamber. The media and the RATS quickly smeared the Pubbie as racist. Religious expression is only politically correct for liberals.
307 posted on 04/03/2003 8:12:53 PM PST by Kuksool (Christianity is what makes America great)
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To: chuckles
Oh, you are going to get in trouble

tell ya what Ill draw their fire...since Im hittn the hay anyway

Hey, Everybody Jesus IS God! He is God the Son and inheriter of the Universes, the One and Only Potentate! This is what those leftists cant stand, and Jews cant accept (God luv em): Jesus IS GOD!

Now you can explain that to em

'nite

308 posted on 04/03/2003 8:13:34 PM PST by Gasshog (eyes open, mouth too! tough!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Bring it on Counselor. I know who you are.
309 posted on 04/03/2003 8:13:37 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: sauropod
Again illogical and irrelevant:

What are you gonna do about the New Testament. Who is Jesus?

I am not going to do anything at all about New Testament.

I have an opinion about Jesus.

None of your questions have any relevance whatever to any and all of my previous posts.

Looks like you really enjoy divisiveness: we talked about a small disagreement that occurred today, and you are movign it into a theological discussion.

Please address it those who like to fight; I am not one of them. And, frankly, given your offensive remarks and the fact that you do not even bother to apologize for them, I have no desire to continue this conversation.

310 posted on 04/03/2003 8:14:27 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: yonif
Except for one thing...Christians pray in the name of Jesus Christ. If you include Christians as convocators (?) this is what they do. It is how they were instructed to pray by Christ. Just like Jews wearing yamakahs yamakas (beanies!!) you know what I mean!!
311 posted on 04/03/2003 8:15:18 PM PST by mlmr
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To: katnip
If Jesus = God, then it would be correct to say:
I believe in Jesus = I believe in God?

I thought Jesus was the Messiah. Christ = messiah. Jesus Christ = Jesus the Messiah.
312 posted on 04/03/2003 8:15:27 PM PST by yonif
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To: Pharmboy
I don't cast spells. ;-). Unless it is with FReeper women...
313 posted on 04/03/2003 8:17:09 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: Delphinium
They probably pulled this same stuff with the Germans.
314 posted on 04/03/2003 8:17:26 PM PST by Edmund Burke
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To: honway
an easily found source on the internet

If you are illiterate and have never been to the library, please do not make it sound like it is my fault: go to a comunity college, they have remedial courses. And you can find the address on the nearest library on the internet.

It's too bad you are still trowing temper tantrums, kid.

315 posted on 04/03/2003 8:17:58 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: honway
This is offensive. Don't folks find it odd that the name of Jesus has been allowed till now? Isn't it also odd that when sworn in the Holy Bible (OLD and NEW Testament) is used for the swearing in? Now this ... it's way out of line by our Jewish folks.
316 posted on 04/03/2003 8:19:07 PM PST by nmh
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To: Illbay
The USofA will not survive as a Jewish, Muslim, or Pluralistic nation. If you, and others like you, insist on "changing" what the USof A "is" tell us what you will replace it with before we start the "Revolution"!
317 posted on 04/03/2003 8:19:19 PM PST by Blake#1
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To: AnalogReigns
Dont you know ONLY Christian are expected to be tolerant?
318 posted on 04/03/2003 8:19:20 PM PST by Gasshog (eyes open, mouth too! tough!)
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To: sauropod
We retain our Faith in Christ ... The New Testament tells us that it is often much work to bring people to Faith in Christ ... not all will accept God's Free Gift ... nonetheless, the New Testament tells us about this situation exactly:

Romans 11 KJV
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the Gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the Father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
319 posted on 04/03/2003 8:19:24 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: yonif; hellinahandcart
Two prayers could have been said. One to honor the crew as a whole and one to honor the Israeli hero specifically.

Ain't tolerance fun?

320 posted on 04/03/2003 8:19:24 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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