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'We didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee' (Former Russian Generals help Iraq prepare for war)
Gazeta.ru ^ | 04/02/03 | Alexander Kornilov

Posted on 04/02/2003 4:02:24 PM PST by Smogger

Gazeta.Ru has obtained sensational evidence proving the involvement of a group of former Soviet generals in preparing the Iraqi army for war against the United States. The generals in question refused to discuss their degree of involvement, but admitted that just before the beginning of the US-led campaign against Iraq they received state awards from the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Photos, which Gazeta.Ru has acquired, show an awards ceremony (namely awards, our sources emphasized, and not gifts), involving two very prominent Russian generals.

They are retired Soviet officers, Col.-Gen. Vladimir Achalov and Col.-Gen. Igor Maltsev. The former completed his military career as the Soviet deputy defence minister, after being the Air-Borne Troops commander and the first and last Soviet commander-in-chief of the rapid-reaction forces. The latter resigned from the post of the chief of the Main Staff of the Soviet Air Defence. In 1991 both generals backed the GKChP, (the State Committee for the State of Emergency, set up by a group of Gorbachev opponents with the goal of supplanting him and preventing the disintegration of the USSR) and were consequently dismissed from military service.

The photos show Achalov and Maltsev receiving awards from Iraqi Defence Minister Sultan Hashim Akhmed. Another photo commemorating the event features the Russian generals in the company of the head of the General Staff of the Iraqi Army Izzat Ibragim and his deputies. On the photo published above the Iraqi official is standing between Achalov and Maltsev.

According to our source who provided the photos, the ceremony was held ''less than 10 days before the beginning of the war'' in a building that was destroyed by US cruise missiles in the first few hours of air raids on Baghdad.


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To: Smogger
I'm interested in any information anyone has regarding the following information. Thanks. BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE BELTWAY by Al Martin Get Ready for the USSA (The United Soviet States of America) (March 17) You will be happy to learn that the former head of the KGB (the secret police of the former Soviet Union), General Yevgeni Primakov, has been hired as a consultant by the US Department of Homeland Security. Do you think he will share his expertise in "security" to prepare US citizens for domestic internal passports under the pretense of fighting the never-ending "War on Terrorism"? CAPPS II is the name of the new program which is technically under the auspices of the US Department of Transporation, but that's only technical and the only reason they did that was to use the Transportation Department s budget to buy the computer hardware and software they need. The way it works is you give them your credit card and they slide it thorough like you would in a store and then they hit a button and the monitor reads: CAPPS II, SS CTF. The SS CTF evidently stands for State Security Citizen Threat File. But it has nothing to do with the Department of Transportation. It goes directly to a division, which has been established between the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA and several other federal agencies. This is a new division, referred to as the Office of Internal Security, which is coordinating the effort to establish citizen threat files on every US citizen. It will be a huge database including credit files, medical files, political and religious affiliation, military history, attendance at anti-government rallies, etc. The newsclip didn't point out what information is being accessed. The only thing they'll tell you is they're going to access your credit history, but like the guy giving the interview said they will be accessing a whole lot more. They just don t tell you what it is. When the Department of Homeland Security was asked about it, they wouldn't say but replied that it would defeat the purpose if we told you what it was we were looking for. No announcement will be made to the public about what information exactly is being accessed or exactly how much information or what type of information is going to be included in each citizen's security threat file. What I liked about this segment is that they interviewed General Yevgeni Primakov, who is now a consultant to the Department of Homeland Security along with General Alexander Karpov. Primakov was laughing about it because he's getting paid a big fee to do it. He doesn't care, of course. Primakov speaks beautiful English, as you would expect a former head of the KGB to do. When he was asked what is this CAPPS II program really about, because obviously even "terrorists" could have credit ratings. Primakov said that this is one of the steps now being employed along with NICA and new identity upgrade features which are coming to your driver's license. It is being used to get the people used to new types of documentation and carrying new types of identity cards pursuant to the United States instituting a formal policy of internal passports.And he actually used the words "internal passports." It's like he said and he was pretty knowledgeable. When the NICA (National Identity Card Act) gets passed, the Posse Comitatus Act gets overturned, a few other pieces of legislation yet to be proffered get passed, the White House will have more control over the American people than the Kremlin had over the Russian people when Stalin was alive. He said that and then he laughed. What Primakov finds funny are what he calls these "right wing flag wavers" that were so anti-communist and now they're supporting a state policy of internal passports. The irony is deafening. Old right wing farts - turn up your hearing aids for the irony is deafening. Primakov continued by saying that he had been hired as a consultant and he was consulting on other "security" matters, an ongoing policy in various agencies of government (some of these offices haven't even been created yet) to consistently narrow the rights of the American people and to expand the power of government. He professed not to know why, the reason for all this was, other than he admitted that "it doesn't have much to do with 'fighting terrorism.'" In other words, it's funny that we need a commie to come over here and tell people the truth. And remember its not just any commie, it s the former head of the KGB, who is being [paid] for with taxpayers money from all the naive flag wavers out there. If you think about it how ironic this whole thing is. And it's not only Primakov, who was, by the way the last general of the KGB, before the KGB was changed to RFSS. Look who else was hired. There's General Primakov. Then there's General Karpov, former KGB station chief of their Washington station at their embassy and the first director of the Russian Federal Security Service. You could call this the "Sovietization of America." Primakov said he can't wait to get on the payroll (he called it the "pay corps", referring to the Heritage Foundation, the PNAC and all the other right wing foundations in the United States) He can't get over how many ex-KGB generals and colonels still want to come over to the United States and become consultants to get on the pay corps. It has been reported that Nikita Krushchev Jr works for the Heritage Foundation. Another right wing foundation has Elena Stalin. The Old Soviet Brand names are all coming to Washington to get on the gravy train and teach the Bush administration how to further restrict the rights of the American people. And Primakov is waiting for the USSA, The United Soviet States of America. It'll probably make him feel right at home. AL MARTIN is America's foremost expert on corporate and government fraud. A relentless whistleblower, he has written a book called, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider", which chronicles his adventures with the Bush Cabal (National Liberty Press, Order Line: 866-317-1390). This detailed account of government criminal operations, namely State-sanctioned fraud, drug trafficking and illicit weapons sales, is unprecedented in publishing history. Al Martin is also well known for his great charm and profound insights into world events, and he is frequently interviewed on many talk radio shows across the nation. His weekly column "Behind the Scenes in the Beltway" is published regularly online at Al Martin Raw, (http://www.almartinraw.com/).
21 posted on 04/02/2003 4:25:05 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us allow the economies of gerdung, frunk, mexiztlan, chirushcom and canadastan to wither...)
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To: Smogger
these guys are effectively on our side. They helped train the Iraqis to fight in yhe old Soviet nanner. Their military careers ended with the end of the USSR and their ideas have not likely been updated since then. That means total central control, no individual unit initiative permitted, etc. They just helped make the Iraqi army efficiently incompetent.
22 posted on 04/02/2003 4:26:43 PM PST by arthurus
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To: lawdog
"One war at a time, please, Mr. Secretary..."
23 posted on 04/02/2003 4:29:23 PM PST by plusone
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To: Asclepius
No, "Achmed's Camelwhiz Coffee."
24 posted on 04/02/2003 4:30:04 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: FredZarguna
I have prayed for activists from all over the Communist and Arab worlds to unite in common cause by going to Iraq to fight the invading infidel. Surely they will fight to the death for Allah and for New Soviet Man! It will haep the US to conserve resources in that it won't have to send its army traipsing all over Asia, and maybe even Europe to do its job.
25 posted on 04/02/2003 4:31:00 PM PST by arthurus
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To: ApesForEvolution
Oops.

BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE BELTWAY

by Al Martin
Get Ready for the USSA (The United Soviet States of America)

(March 17) You will be happy to learn that the former head of the KGB (the secret police of the former Soviet Union), General Yevgeni Primakov, has been hired as a consultant by the US Department of Homeland Security. Do you think he will share his expertise in "security" to prepare US citizens for domestic internal passports under the pretense of fighting the never-ending "War on Terrorism"?

CAPPS II is the name of the new program which is technically under the auspices of the US Department of Transporation, but that's only technical and the only reason they did that was to use the Transportation Department s budget to buy the computer hardware and software they need.

The way it works is you give them your credit card and they slide it thorough like you would in a store and then they hit a button and the monitor reads: CAPPS II, SS CTF. The SS CTF evidently stands for State Security Citizen Threat File. But it has nothing to do with the Department of Transportation. It goes directly to a division, which has been established between the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA and several other federal agencies. This is a new division, referred to as the Office of Internal Security, which is coordinating the effort to establish citizen threat files on every US citizen. It will be a huge database including credit files, medical files, political and religious affiliation, military history, attendance at anti-government rallies, etc.

The newsclip didn't point out what information is being accessed. The only thing they'll tell you is they're going to access your credit history, but like the guy giving the interview said they will be accessing a whole lot more. They just don t tell you what it is. When the Department of Homeland Security was asked about it, they wouldn't say but replied that it would defeat the purpose if we told you what it was we were looking for.

No announcement will be made to the public about what information exactly is being accessed or exactly how much information or what type of information is going to be included in each citizen's security threat file.

What I liked about this segment is that they interviewed General Yevgeni Primakov, who is now a consultant to the Department of Homeland Security along with General Alexander Karpov.

Primakov was laughing about it because he's getting paid a big fee to do it. He doesn't care, of course. Primakov speaks beautiful English, as you would expect a former head of the KGB to do. When he was asked what is this CAPPS II program really about, because obviously even "terrorists" could have credit ratings.

Primakov said that this is one of the steps now being employed along with NICA and new identity upgrade features which are coming to your driver's license. It is being used to get the people used to new types of documentation and carrying new types of identity cards pursuant to the United States instituting a formal policy of internal passports.And he actually used the words "internal passports."

It's like he said and he was pretty knowledgeable. When the NICA (National Identity Card Act) gets passed, the Posse Comitatus Act gets overturned, a few other pieces of legislation yet to be proffered get passed, the White House will have more control over the American people than the Kremlin had over the Russian people when Stalin was alive. He said that and then he laughed.

What Primakov finds funny are what he calls these "right wing flag wavers" that were so anti-communist and now they're supporting a state policy of internal passports. The irony is deafening.

Old right wing farts - turn up your hearing aids for the irony is deafening.

Primakov continued by saying that he had been hired as a consultant and he was consulting on other "security" matters, an ongoing policy in various agencies of government (some of these offices haven't even been created yet) to consistently narrow the rights of the American people and to expand the power of government. He professed not to know why, the reason for all this was, other than he admitted that "it doesn't have much to do with 'fighting terrorism.'"

In other words, it's funny that we need a commie to come over here and tell people the truth. And remember its not just any commie, it s the former head of the KGB, who is being [paid] for with taxpayers money from all the naive flag wavers out there.

If you think about it how ironic this whole thing is. And it's not only Primakov, who was, by the way the last general of the KGB, before the KGB was changed to RFSS. Look who else was hired. There's General Primakov. Then there's General Karpov, former KGB station chief of their Washington station at their embassy and the first director of the Russian Federal Security Service. You could call this the "Sovietization of America." Primakov said he can't wait to get on the payroll (he called it the "pay corps", referring to the Heritage Foundation, the PNAC and all the other right wing foundations in the United States) He can't get over how many ex-KGB generals and colonels still want to come over to the United States and become consultants to get on the pay corps.

It has been reported that Nikita Krushchev Jr works for the Heritage Foundation. Another right wing foundation has Elena Stalin. The Old Soviet Brand names are all coming to Washington to get on the gravy train and teach the Bush administration how to further restrict the rights of the American people.

And Primakov is waiting for the USSA, The United Soviet States of America. It'll probably make him feel right at home.

AL MARTIN is America's foremost expert on corporate and government fraud. A relentless whistleblower, he has written a book called, "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider", which chronicles his adventures with the Bush Cabal (National Liberty Press, Order Line: 866-317-1390). This detailed account of government criminal operations, namely State-sanctioned fraud, drug trafficking and illicit weapons sales, is unprecedented in publishing history. Al Martin is also well known for his great charm and profound insights into world events, and he is frequently interviewed on many talk radio shows across the nation. His weekly column "Behind the Scenes in the Beltway" is published regularly online at Al Martin Raw, (http://www.almartinraw.com/).

26 posted on 04/02/2003 4:31:29 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us allow the economies of gerdung, frunk, mexiztlan, chirushcom and canadastan to wither...)
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To: Wphile
not believe that Putin is a man to be trusted. W needs to rethink

I suspect that there are no illusions in W's head in regard to the old KGM man.

27 posted on 04/02/2003 4:33:01 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Smogger
Russia Reform Monitor No. 1026, March 29, 2003
American Foreign Policy Council, Washington, DC
http://www.afpc.org

MOSCOW FRETS OVER U.S. CAUCASUS PRESENCE;
RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE PROTECTS BAGHDAD'S SECRETS

March 26:

MOSCOW FRETS OVER U.S. CAUCASUS PRESENCE. According to the Associated Press, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov has said that his government is not satisfied with U.S. explanations concerning recent reconnaissance flights. On March 22nd, two Russian fighters tracked a U-2 spy plane flying near Georgia's border with Russia. Russia's Foreign Ministry subsequently complained to the U.S. Embassy, accusing Washington of renewing a "Cold War practice." Russia cannot accept the U.S. government's explanation that the flight was part of the fight against Georgia-based terrorism, Ivanov said. A senior U.S. diplomat told AP that Washington had informed Moscow in advance about spy flights over Georgia and Azerbaijan, which, he said, could help Russia in its fight against Chechen terrorists.

March 27:

RUSSIAN HAND IN IRAQI WMD... A bioterrorism expert has claimed that Russia has been Iraq's "main supplier of the materials and know-how to weaponize anthrax, botulism and smallpox." Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Robert Goldberg cites former UN weapons inspector Richard Spertzel, who believes that Moscow supplied Baghdad with fermentation equipment to produce bio-toxins, and says that Russians on the UN inspection team in Iraq were "paranoid" about his efforts to uncover smallpox production. No country has "done more to rebuild" Saddam's chemical and biological weapons programs or "been more aggressive in helping hide the truth" than Russia, Goldberg writes.

..AND RUSSIAN FEARS OF AMERICAN ENTRAPMENT. A Russian member of the UN inspection team in Iraq, meanwhile, has asserted that the United States might fabricate evidence of chemical and biological weapons in Iraq. After discussing ways that the U.S. could plant fake evidence of chemical weapons production, Kirill Scheluchenko writes in a Gazeta.ru commentary: "It is even easier to falsify biological weapons production in Iraq. The culture could be grown in the U.S. and delivered to Iraq later. And if the Americans have in their possession samples of Russian cultures and use them (in particular, Russian anthrax stems, which they most likely possess), then Russia would end up facing accusations of proliferation of biological weapons."

WASHINGTON URGES KREMLIN CRACKDOWN ON IRAQ TIES. A senior U.S. diplomat has told the Financial Times that Washington wants the Russian government to take "punitive action" against companies that transferred weapons technology to Iraq. According to the newspaper, the United States alleges that along with the transferred technology, including GPS satellite jamming equipment, "personnel from the Russian companies have been operating the equipment on the ground in Iraq."

March 28:

RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE PROTECTS BAGHDAD'S SECRETS. Russian intelligence agents are in Iraq, possibly to "evacuate" the Iraqi special services' archives before Saddam Hussein's regime falls, Nezavisimaya Gazeta reports. The agents, it claims, are in daily contact with their Iraqi counterparts and are trying to preempt the CIA and Britain's MI-6, which have also sent agents into Iraq to get hold of the archives. The newspaper says that while the intelligence archives do not include weapons of mass destruction documentation, which the regime has already destroyed, they are important as a lever of influence in post-Saddam Iraq. Yevgeny Primakov, who was once Russia's foreign intelligence chief, may have discussed the archives with the Iraqi leader during a February visit to Baghdad.

March 29: PUTIN WARNS OF IRAQ WAR "CATASTROPHE." Russian President Vladimir Putin has again criticized the U.S.-led war in Iraq. In a letter to the environmental group Greenpeace, Putin said the conflict had placed the Middle East "under the threat of a large-scale humanitarian and ecological catastrophe," NEWSru.com reports. During a March 28th meeting with Russian parliamentarians, Putin called the war possibly the worst international crisis since the end of the Cold War, saying it "threatens to shake the very basis of global stability and international rights," Agence France-Presse reported.

Meanwhile, Chechen rebel leader Aslan Maskhadov was quoted on March 28th as saying he supported the U.S.-led coalition's efforts to end Saddam Hussein's "harsh dictatorship." But Maskhadov also called on Washington to prove its "fairness" by taking immediate measures to end the Chechen conflict.

- Jonas Bernstein

Copyright (c) 2003, American Foreign Policy Council

28 posted on 04/02/2003 4:33:03 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: arthurus
I see your point, but don't sell the Ruskies short. Anyone who wants to disparage the Red Army should watch the movie "Enemy at the Gates". These people can endure hardships that would kill us. Of course, this speaks more for Russian hardiness than it does for the military genius of centralized command. The Red troops fighting the Germans would be shot by their own commanders for not advancing against German positions, even if they didn't have guns or bullets to fight with! Treated like cannon fodder.
29 posted on 04/02/2003 4:34:06 PM PST by plusone
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To: Grampa Dave; Travis McGee; Sawdring
Russia, our friend bump.
30 posted on 04/02/2003 4:34:12 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: spectre
The Iraqis should ask for their money back..quickly.
31 posted on 04/02/2003 4:34:12 PM PST by caisson71
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To: Smogger
The Russky generals were a big help to the Iraqi generals, weren't they, hah!

Our smart bombs are making beet soup out of the "war strategies" of the scimitar and samovar brainiacs.

Leni

32 posted on 04/02/2003 4:35:39 PM PST by MinuteGal (THIS JUST IN ! Astonishing fare reduction for FReeps Ahoy Cruise! Check it out, pronto!)
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To: dvan
Given the performance of the Russian army in Chechnya and Afghanistan, and the performance of the Soviet-plan Iraqi army in 1991 I think that had that great battle for Europe at the Fulda Gap actually occurred, the Russians would not have fared well.
33 posted on 04/02/2003 4:36:16 PM PST by arthurus
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To: arthurus
If we're lucky, they'll help out Syria too!
34 posted on 04/02/2003 4:37:12 PM PST by thoughtomator (Today, Baghdad; tomorrow, Damascus; Friday, Beirut. We have all weekend free, who wants to sign up?)
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To: Diogenesis
I wonder how ol pootie poot would feel if several NEW stingers fell in the hands of Chechens
35 posted on 04/02/2003 4:41:43 PM PST by jbstrick (Behold the Power of CHEESE!)
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To: PhilDragoo
It appears that Yevgeny Primakov gets around. He's apparently on the American DHS payroll.
37 posted on 04/02/2003 4:42:21 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Yes, let us allow the economies of gerdung, frunk, mexiztlan, chirushcom and canadastan to wither...)
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To: bybybill
Will the Russkie Generals put Iraq on their resumes?

If they apply for jobs at Stratfor or DEBKA, yes.

38 posted on 04/02/2003 4:47:34 PM PST by FredZarguna
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To: Smogger
Given the results of this campaign so far it would appear that these retired Russian Generals don't understand General Franks plan any better than our own retired Generals.

The Iraqis got scammed by these guys.
39 posted on 04/02/2003 4:57:50 PM PST by Busywhiskers (Non entia multiplicandia sunt prater necessetatum.)
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To: Smogger
Here's to hoping the Russian generals are now sleeping with
the fishes, along with Saddam, Queezy, and Dopey!
40 posted on 04/02/2003 5:03:47 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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